My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[ajaya999]

Electronics - All Greek and Latin

Hi Friends,

Got struck at driver circuit. Winding done(twice). Batteries ready. Arduino ( every time needs to visit google to check its spelling ) is now by my side. Tried to read, reread and reeeeread the monster pulser. Every time I am just reading the letters, words and sentences. Nothing is shrinking into the brain.

My son scores about 98% in mathematics and he's always envious of my maths scores that I scored during my school, college and university days, always cent percent - except one or two instances where I got only 98%.

Now he got a point.

Looking into my great understanding skills of electronics, he started teasing me saying " Dad, your brain dropped into your knees. Vishwaroop (he calls UFOPOLITICS so) uncle's UFO is needed now to keep it back."

Please help.

I downloaded the adobe file on monster pulser circuit of Sir John Stone.

In all those pages what I understood was only sentence. "Discussion on this can be read from post 1745 of 'my ...... of energeticforum'."

Please guide.

Regards

Kumar

[machinealive]

Yeah, I am hoping to reduce eddy losses to min, keep heat down to min. I thought that all laminations are sprayed, even the expensive electrical steel. I bought cheap steel, not the silicon electrical steel, which I thought should have an even thicker coat. I think they used paper or such once to insulate the laminations. Anyway, I'll give it a try. Can't hurt,like you said.

Machine

[Ufopolitics]

Lamination's oil...

Yeah, I am hoping to reduce eddy losses to min, keep heat down to min. I thought that all laminations are sprayed, even the expensive electrical steel. I bought cheap steel, not the silicon electrical steel, which I thought should have an even thicker coat. I think they used paper or such once to insulate the laminations. Anyway, I'll give it a try. Can't hurt,like you said.

Machine

Machine,


In the past they used oil in between laminations on expensive machines...same process they use on Transformers.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[sampojo]

Re: Kumar's electronics

Hi Kumar, Have you ever assembled any electronics projects? If so you just need to order components and you will need a PCB board. We have a manufacturer that builds and ships. For a quad stator you would need a minimum of 4 boards. Links to monster driver board are at my profile of oshpark.com, provided in post 2610 on the my-motors thread. It may take month to build and ship to India. Parts lists in John Stone's ref doc.

Have fun and get you son to help!

[iankoglin]

Kogs update

G'day UFO and Team

I have made a video it is here

Kogs First Imperial Armature Test - YouTube

I now have to dismantle the 4 motors Pack securely and send them 100klms to be varnished then they go on to the other side of Melbourne 500klms to be balanced then back to me to assemble and test some more
The cost
Varnish the 4 motors $20 each =$80

Balancing the 4 motors 2 My Motors $105 each the 1000w Zy motor $120 and the Imperial beast $140 total= $475
All the deliveries $100
The Sum Total = $655
My Camera assistant/Test Driver when she saw the video she could not stop laughing when I asked her why she said she could hear herself chewing Gum

Kindest regards To you all

Kogs getting excited and broke

[ajaya999]

Monster Pulser

@Hi Sam,

Thanks for the support and help.

I'm also seriously thinking to get it done here with any local service provider.

One month - though I understand it requires - is some thing unbearable waiting time for me. I kept a target to finish this before 7th Feb ( a deadline I declared to my son to run UFO Machine).

I built a few small joule thief models and lasersaber's jouleringer. That's all.

Let me try my luck Sam. Many thanks for the support.

@Hi Kogs,

Good Video. . Thanks for sharing

Regards and Namaste

Kumar

[iankoglin]

Hey Machine,

Please post videos of that little build when done!

On the Dual Rotor Imperial, we do not need such sophisticated bridge design like I originally posted...

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After designing the Three Pole Dual...I realized just another set of laminates without the poles would do...in order to simplify design plus reduce co$t$.

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This way much easier to cut on waterjet...we could use long fine bolts/nuts at common areas to Inner-Outer rotor to secure the whole assembly.


Regards


Ufopolitics

G'day UFO
I like the way you have thought out the new build
I've been pondering over your details above and I think when you draw these inner armature laminations and outer case made of laminations and the bridge laminations in fact all of the laminated sections for production it might be a good idea to place some say 3 or 5mm bolt/rod holes so that the laminations can be aligned when assembled

Kindest Regards

Kogs sometimes thinks a bit too hard

[Lightworker1]

Hi @Kogs, great works & demo. Will also Look forward to the Finished product.
[Message sent from my google pad]

Warmest regards

Light

[erfinder]

My fellow researchers,

Forgive the intrusion, I would like to share the following food for thought.

Every motor is a generator, and every generator is a motor. Through the proper association of the two (a dedicated motor, and a dedicated generator), the current limiting mechanism associated with the CEMF of the motor can be effectively reversed and or neutralized. Likewise, the torque generated in the generator is effectively reversed and or neutralized.

In short, the CEMF of the motor is routed towards the CEMF of the generator. The CEMF of the generator serves the same purpose as the magicians assistant, beguiling the audience with her beauty while the illusionist makes his finial preparations and blows your mind by properly applying knowledge. While the induced EMF from your generator has your motors induced EMF preoccupied, the applied EMF from the external power supply can saturate the system with dramatically reduced opposition.

CEMF is not the enemy, it's the genii in the solenoid.

It is not my function to disclose to you a method by which you can realize what I am suggesting. It is my duty however to inform you of my experiences, share information with you that you may not be aware of because its coming from my bench. It is my hope that you take that which is being suggested to heart and investigate at your leisure.


Regards

[sampojo]

Re: Erfi info

Hey Erfi, who you talking to? This motor has no CEMF! This kind of tells me you really haven't dug through this thread and have no real concept of how this motor works. It's design converts Counter EMF into Assistive EMF.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: My apologies if I was a little harsh. I guess what you are saying applys to Mr. Ufo's motor, Its just that it abolishes CEMF in the design. It really can't be called that in these motors anymore. I use AEMF when I talk about to my engineering buddies.

[erfinder]

Hey Erfi, who you talking to? This motor has no CEMF! This kind of tells me you really haven't dug through this thread and have no real concept of how this motor works. It's design converts Counter EMF into Assistive EMF.

Hope this helps.

I won't trespass again.


Regards

[Ufopolitics]

Awesome Machine!

G'day UFO and Team

I have made a video it is here

Kogs First Imperial Armature Test - YouTube

I now have to dismantle the 4 motors Pack securely and send them 100klms to be varnished then they go on to the other side of Melbourne 500klms to be balanced then back to me to assemble and test some more
The cost
Varnish the 4 motors $20 each =$80

Balancing the 4 motors 2 My Motors $105 each the 1000w Zy motor $120 and the Imperial beast $140 total= $475
All the deliveries $100
The Sum Total = $655
My Camera assistant/Test Driver when she saw the video she could not stop laughing when I asked her why she said she could hear herself chewing Gum

Kindest regards To you all

Kogs getting excited and broke

Hello Kogs!

Nice, very nice and perfectly well built Machine Kogs, congratulations!

You have it all "nailed down"...please do not move that Dial!...meaning, make sure you do mark the brushes settings as far as timing.

By the RPM's is going at 12 and 24 Volts, plus the very "even sound", and no sparking at comm, and output voltage...I can tell all settings plus parameters are in perfect place, after you balance and varnish...it will do even better!

When you hook up that motor into ANY application it is gonna play an awesome performance, I guarantee that.


Warm regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Erfinder...

My fellow researchers,

Forgive the intrusion, I would like to share the following food for thought.

Every motor is a generator, and every generator is a motor. Through the proper association of the two (a dedicated motor, and a dedicated generator), the current limiting mechanism associated with the CEMF of the motor can be effectively reversed and or neutralized. Likewise, the torque generated in the generator is effectively reversed and or neutralized.

In short, the CEMF of the motor is routed towards the CEMF of the generator. The CEMF of the generator serves the same purpose as the magicians assistant, beguiling the audience with her beauty while the illusionist makes his finial preparations and blows your mind by properly applying knowledge. While the induced EMF from your generator has your motors induced EMF preoccupied, the applied EMF from the external power supply can saturate the system with dramatically reduced opposition.

CEMF is not the enemy, it's the genii in the solenoid.

It is not my function to disclose to you a method by which you can realize what I am suggesting. It is my duty however to inform you of my experiences, share information with you that you may not be aware of because its coming from my bench. It is my hope that you take that which is being suggested to heart and investigate at your leisure.


Regards

Hello Erfinder,


Please do not go...again, I want to congratulate you for finally deciding to open your own thread, where you are exposing very interesting effects/results, as very well built and excellent machines.

But please...let's "Coexist" in harmony...Your Machines are a different approach to Electrodynamic Technology in the Brush Less DC design.

The Machines displayed here are a different approach, even the later ones I have shown which are also BLDC.

Look around Us...we still have brush and brushless motors everywhere...some are good for certain applications...where the others will just not output same performance. Even within the BLDC, we have different structures, like the Outrunners and the Inrunners...different winding types in Symmetry like the Delta and the WYE...and so on and on...

We should never disregard any machine or methodology... just because we just came up with a better, newer one...and yes you are right, CEMF at certain point is required to cause certain motor control...certain regulation of some parameters...all technology should "COEXIST"...The same way that Oil should have allowed secondary, alternative energy technologies along all this 130 plus years...

I have been watching, reading all your posts in your thread...along with all videos you had uploaded...excellent work!

I can see you have some different "effects" going on at TDC then at JTDC...after your machine is running at TDC very strong and fast...you move the Hall Sensor to JTDC and your Buffer Capacitor starts to produce a very interesting excess of Voltage much higher than source circuit...I see this phenomena very strange, but very worthy to develop and investigate much , but I mean MUCH further on...

I was going to recommend some "approach" utilizing the angle where you move the Hall between TDC-JTDC...Now, Do you think you could build a "Dual Hall Sensor" electronic circuitry, say Hall 1 at TDC and Hall 2 at JTDC...where you could switch them on-off at regulated Speed between this two angles through a POT...to a point that both Halls would be pulsating back and forth from TDC to JTDC, plus another POT to Increase One more than the other and vice versa...say by percentage or Duty Cycle...from 50/50 to 80/20 %...I believe if you do this...and not manually like you have shown on videos...you will have more accurate control on your effect...therefore you would be able to play back and forth between the two worlds...high performance and pretty good output ...till you find a suitable spot on Percentage between H1 and H2...as frequency of switching between the two...maybe this would work...maybe not...we never know...but it is just my two cents.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Midaztouch]

@ Team


Please pay attention to these vids by Warren! Then view ALL of his vids. I believe he has found a significant attribute of UFO Asymmetric Motors! This must be reviewed and discussed!!!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrqFQRh5I6Y

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYDsLhe3fA

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7louzQaVqE

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[Aaron]

erfinder

I won't trespass again.

Thank you - we'll keep you to your word.