My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[JohnStone]

... Can I join the party at 58? LOL. ...

Welcome in the year of burth 1954! Now what's up? Are we chickens or not? LOL

[i_ron]

Well boiling hot shop today but I was determined to make some progress. Removing those steel gears has been a hangup for me. I said I'd show pics of what worked if it did. Well it sort of worked but because of how close the gear was to the motor the thickest metal I could get in between the gear and motor was about 1/8" thick steel. So when I started it was jammed in their tight and even at that thickness it bent badly while pulling the gear but it did work to get it out to the point of being flush with the end of the shaft.




Then I was able to get a gear puller under it but that turned out to be a big FAIL after probably an hour of some really mickey mouse ways of trying to pull it. I finally gave in to pounding it out in a vise with a small center punch. At last success with that - both gears off.



But now I've got a problem as a motor newbie. I've used electricians cutters to bend back the small tabs at the back of the motor case but so far I haven't been able to get the back part to pull out or off. Looking at the picture below if anyone can offer suggestions on how to get this apart I'd appreciate it. I've got a good metal bandsaw so I can easily just cut the outside case near the back but I think it would be better to have the inside pulled out first to help determine the best place to cute the case.

The "steel" gears are actually powdered metal. Place gear on a steel block and with a cold chisel strike a light blow between the teeth --- it will split off
the shaft.



For the tabs use a small punch (screw driver) and in the vise on on the bench, knock the tab back out



Ron

[adilu]

So please understand that we do not follow predefined paths while describing the track. That is not science how it works.
Please don't take it wrong but the matter is very different form school. It is more like asking someone kindly to explain LIFE! Apart that: LIFE is highly unscientific!
Warm Regards John

got it!

thank you

[Turion]

UFO,
I have been thinking about your large motor you are designing, and have attached a picture. I have a few questions for you.

1. Is there a need for a round casing for the motor for some reason having to do with the magnetic fields?

2. Can the casing be made of aluminum? I know one of the reasons NOT to have aluminum near rotating magnets is because it has an effect on the magnetic fields, but I thought you said that in this case aluminum would work for casing material.

I have been trying to think outside the box...which in this instance actually INVOLVES a box. Two square plates of aluminum with a pressed bearing in the center held in position by stainless steel all thread rod (durning construction phase ONLY) Through the center an aluminum shaft. Now we could use pieces cut out of thick plexiglass to span the distance between the aluminum plates and hold the wires that go around the rotor in the center. They would be easy to cut and secure in place with aluminum screws on each end without a lot of expensive machining. Tghere is not much stress on those parts, so simple plexiglass should work. They could be in any shape that was designed and cut out on a scroll saw once a template was drawn up. Once all the interior work is completed, you screw on four more aluminum plates to the outside, encasing the whole thing, remove the all thread rod, and you have your motor without much custom work at all except drilling the holes for the two bearings in the plates and having them pressed in. If you wanted to use BRASS all thread rod, you could leave it all exposed and you would have a visible working motor...or secure pieces of plexiglass around the outside to encase it so you can see it working.


3. What do you think?

As you can see, I am moving in that direction

Dave

[Sanskara316]

Need Help

Can anybody have any suggestion how to remove the thread at the back of the motor, I done almost everything even work, on the opposite side removing everything, the commutator is very stuborn and wont budge, I afraid to crack it because its only the spare I have. Sorry for my English its my second language. thanks

[MasterBlaster]

first find a nut that fits the thread. screw the shaft in the nut, suspend it in a vise and hammer a hardened (masonary ) nail in the middle. Make sure it does not fall to the ground too hard.

[Sanskara316]

first find a nut that fits the thread. screw the shaft in the nut, suspend it in a vise and hammer a hardened (masonary ) nail in the middle. Make sure it does not fall to the ground too hard.

Oh Thanks didn't thought of that, I'll give it a try Thanks

[prochiro]

Physics

Hi all
John Stone showed several shoutcuts for investigation. Many probably went right by it. The first one should be opened and on that first page are three inset pictures which look like newspaper printing. One is at the near top and the other two are near the bottom. This is a must read for all. Do not pass this up. Open your mind, learn to think without all the past in your way.
Dana

Here R and D Principles

[Lightworker1]

Hello Les,

Unfortunately, no my friend it is not anything we have studied at school...They Mutilated one of the best parts of Electricity...along with many great Scientists Great Work... that did not survive Hendrick Lorentz Symmetrization Process...sad.

This type of Electricity is MAINLY based on the so many different Asymmetrical Electromagnetic Patterns of the Radiant Fields Spectrum's...
It can not be calculated based on the "rigid" Tensors and "Linear" Vectors of Force that only work on Symmetrical Magnetic Fields, in very limited Second and Third Dimensional World Coordinates...Is a whole World of Beautiful Phenomena, my friend...and it makes me very sad...to know how many generations did not enjoy the study of this Fields...

It has been trapped and killed by Symmetry for 132 years...Symmetrical reversing fields did not allow it to grow, to thrive...we have been working so far with just a False, Artificial Magnetic Field...This is the Real and Natural one...and is greater than ours...in Intensity, Space, Speed, Gain and Induction...plus infinite scope into the Four Dimensional Space, it transfers through the Air...not the steel...

We know nothing about it really, but has many constant and easy to learn Natural Laws...and it is Free...is everywhere in our Planet and in the Universe...

This particular Model here...offers things that I have not shown yet...I really do not want to drive you insane...but Induction occurs in such a harmonious and blended soft ways...between armature and stator...back and forth...while we pulse our fields at very low rates...and the cost is minimum...on our side.

But I will share all I could be able to, all I have learned on my free time of lab work, and research...trying to start the opposite process now...To "Asymmetrize" our knowledge as fast as we could...to Gain back, all this Lost Time...hope we are not too late...


Regards friend


UFO

Hello UFO. Thanks for all your input. It is true studying radient energy for me is like starting all from level one. One feature that appears intuitively important is that primary energizing pulse should be with narrow mark space ratio, fast rise-fall times and high as possible voltage applitude to disturb the RE-SPACE inorder to give us back large amounts of RE. You also depicted this idea in your diagram, "ZEROPOINT RADIANT ENERGY FLOW with mark-space ratios. I have now bought some fast diodes (UF4007 1KV 75ns) and mosfets (IRFP4229PBF 250V, 44A, 38mohm Rds(on), rise-time 27ns, fall-time 19ns, to replicate your, "RADIANT ENERGY/COLD ELECTRICITY RESISTANCE TEST 1 & 2 YouTube Videos". Likewise on the side note, I have been playing with Don Smith's HV Circuit for some 2 years but not seen OU but will keep trying. I will be greatly appreciate if you can suggest any ideas or tips for replicatng your RADIANT ENERGY/COLD ELECTRICITY projects. Thank.

[ewizard]

UFO,
I have been thinking about your large motor you are designing, and have attached a picture. I have a few questions for you.

1. Is there a need for a round casing for the motor for some reason having to do with the magnetic fields?

2. Can the casing be made of aluminum? I know one of the reasons NOT to have aluminum near rotating magnets is because it has an effect on the magnetic fields, but I thought you said that in this case aluminum would work for casing material.

I have been trying to think outside the box...which in this instance actually INVOLVES a box. Two square plates of aluminum with a pressed bearing in the center held in position by stainless steel all thread rod (durning construction phase ONLY) Through the center an aluminum shaft. Now we could use pieces cut out of thick plexiglass to span the distance between the aluminum plates and hold the wires that go around the rotor in the center. They would be easy to cut and secure in place with aluminum screws on each end without a lot of expensive machining. Tghere is not much stress on those parts, so simple plexiglass should work. They could be in any shape that was designed and cut out on a scroll saw once a template was drawn up. Once all the interior work is completed, you screw on four more aluminum plates to the outside, encasing the whole thing, remove the all thread rod, and you have your motor without much custom work at all except drilling the holes for the two bearings in the plates and having them pressed in. If you wanted to use BRASS all thread rod, you could leave it all exposed and you would have a visible working motor...or secure pieces of plexiglass around the outside to encase it so you can see it working.


3. What do you think?

As you can see, I am moving in that direction

Dave

I'm sure UFO can give you a good answer here but I'll just inject my personal experience while learning first hand about Lenz law. I had a long copper pipe and a long aluminum pipe. Dropping a Neo magnet down the center of first the copper pipe I witnessed the eerie slow floating effect of the falling magnet that would take several seconds to get through the pipe. Same effect and about the same time in the aluminum pipe. Drop an ordinary nut same size and weight through the pipes and it drops like a rock in a fraction of a second. So I don't really know about using aluminum in a motor design but my feeling is that it will bog down all magnetic fields due to Lenz law. Whether that applies with UFO's design I don't know - way over my head on really having a good understanding of it. From what I do know though it would seem like it's not the best approach.

[ewizard]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions on getting the motor apart. I'm confident now with that knowledge I can get it apart. I've got the tools needed but just wasn't sure of the best ways to go about it.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Dear Sanskara...

Can anybody have any suggestion how to remove the thread at the back of the motor, I done almost everything even work, on the opposite side removing everything, the commutator is very stuborn and wont budge, I afraid to crack it because its only the spare I have. Sorry for my English its my second language. thanks

The other Armature I see that is cleaned up...has a perfect shaft and is just waiting for your new commutator...So just cut off the gear off the shaft and take whole shaft out of Brush casing...then you coud worl calmly taking out your comm...

Do a "surgical precision" cut there, very fine Dremel ,fine super fine blade to get "inbetween" case-gear...

I believe is your best choice Dear...

Now once you have comm-shaft out, then press it very EVENLY from bottom with some kind of hollow ring...that will fit-slide within shaft but seats exactly at EVEN Bottom of Commutator...


Cheers

UFO

[Les_K]

Hello Les,

Unfortunately, no my friend it is not anything we have studied at school...They Mutilated one of the best parts of Electricity...along with many great Scientists Great Work... that did not survive Hendrick Lorentz Symmetrization Process...sad.

This type of Electricity is MAINLY based on the so many different Asymmetrical Electromagnetic Patterns of the Radiant Fields Spectrum's...
It can not be calculated based on the "rigid" Tensors and "Linear" Vectors of Force that only work on Symmetrical Magnetic Fields, in very limited Second and Third Dimensional World Coordinates...Is a whole World of Beautiful Phenomena, my friend...and it makes me very sad...to know how many generations did not enjoy the study of this Fields...

It has been trapped and killed by Symmetry for 132 years...Symmetrical reversing fields did not allow it to grow, to thrive...we have been working so far with just a False, Artificial Magnetic Field...This is the Real and Natural one...and is greater than ours...in Intensity, Space, Speed, Gain and Induction...plus infinite scope into the Four Dimensional Space, it transfers through the Air...not the steel...

We know nothing about it really, but has many constant and easy to learn Natural Laws...and it is Free...is everywhere in our Planet and in the Universe...

This particular Model here...offers things that I have not shown yet...I really do not want to drive you insane...but Induction occurs in such a harmonious and blended soft ways...between armature and stator...back and forth...while we pulse our fields at very low rates...and the cost is minimum...on our side.

But I will share all I could be able to, all I have learned on my free time of lab work, and research...trying to start the opposite process now...To "Asymmetrize" our knowledge as fast as we could...to Gain back, all this Lost Time...hope we are not too late...


Regards friend


UFO

This has been a nemesis to me for so many years...
Unless the board it is mounted on has a hidden metal plate or something, this has been one of the most challenging pictures my training has had to deal with. If you look you can see in the picture that the light and the motor are parallel, and that the end in such a way in a coil as to NOT close the loop! The light cannot be on and the motor cannot spin....They Can't! but the picture shows otherwise....
Imageaniel Pomerlou coils bulb side.jpg - PESWiki

Tesla had this to say (This is posted on one of JB's web sites).....

Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts
concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found
in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of
"closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was
definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was
imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of
current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made
succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He
found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor
between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to
the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo
windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought
the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had
already realized the significance of this unexpected effect.

We know that Ed leedskalnin talked about the magnets leaving and going out into space....

On the Ferris Wheel forum We discovered that machine was connected to the sixteen streams emanating from the sun....

http://www.energeticforum.com/118434-post100.html

If we are going to see these motors on a single no closed loop circuit....
this is going to be really twisting some thinking.....yup, I am crazy!


so I think you really have something here UFO, But I am in no way going to say I understand this.

Les

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Turion..

UFO,
I have been thinking about your large motor you are designing, and have attached a picture. I have a few questions for you.

1. Is there a need for a round casing for the motor for some reason having to do with the magnetic fields?

2. Can the casing be made of aluminum? I know one of the reasons NOT to have aluminum near rotating magnets is because it has an effect on the magnetic fields, but I thought you said that in this case aluminum would work for casing material.

I have been trying to think outside the box...which in this instance actually INVOLVES a box. Two square plates of aluminum with a pressed bearing in the center held in position by stainless steel all thread rod (durning construction phase ONLY) Through the center an aluminum shaft. Now we could use pieces cut out of thick plexiglass to span the distance between the aluminum plates and hold the wires that go around the rotor in the center. They would be easy to cut and secure in place with aluminum screws on each end without a lot of expensive machining. Tghere is not much stress on those parts, so simple plexiglass should work. They could be in any shape that was designed and cut out on a scroll saw once a template was drawn up. Once all the interior work is completed, you screw on four more aluminum plates to the outside, encasing the whole thing, remove the all thread rod, and you have your motor without much custom work at all except drilling the holes for the two bearings in the plates and having them pressed in. If you wanted to use BRASS all thread rod, you could leave it all exposed and you would have a visible working motor...or secure pieces of plexiglass around the outside to encase it so you can see it working.


3. What do you think?

As you can see, I am moving in that direction

Dave

Hello Turion,

I love that thinking...

"I have been trying to think outside the BOX...but then I want to play with a BOX..."

1-No, there is NOT a need for ANY round casing at all...Dear Friend...they could be square, Pentagon Shaped, Pyramid Shape, I mean, any Geometrical Volume that MAINLY fit your desires...

2- Yes it can be made (the casing) of Aluminum...and actually there are several brushed motors...that are built with an Aluminum Casing for small recreational Electric Vehicles...and incredibly made by GE...


My dear Turion, in order for you to completely "get out of the Box" (Not the Box in your project, but the Metaphorical one... )

You must understand there is Another Electromagnetic Field...out there, that is completely Natural, and stronger than our ARTIFICIALLY CREATED ONE, and that it has so much freedom of designs, and that is NOT limited by ANY SPECIFIC Material on this Planet...That would allow you to build a Motor out of a WOOD STATOR, and a Stone Rock Armature...that could be even MARBLE of the finest quality...of course, Sculptured by a Master in Arts...like a Picasso...or a Michael Angelo...or a Da Vinci...to achieve each pole...and each fin...

The "Secret" is just to use our artificial field as an EXCITER, to have access to THAT NATURAL FIELD...then You will run that motor-Generator with a different force...a Natural and Stronger Force than the One We have been taught for so long...


Therefore Dear Turion , As Galileo Galilei, stated, when accused to be a Heretic by the Saint Catholic and Apostolic Inquisition...a few Centuries ago...about the Earth being a "Static Planet" and considered a blasphemy to say "it moves"...and as He -very sure of his findings- responded..."Still it moves"...No matter if that answer will condemn Him, to be burnt in the Purifying Flames of Heaven...

In Nomini dei Figli et dei Spiriti Sancti

Amen

(Could someone play some "Gregorian Music" in the background, please......but I like the German Group "Gregorians"...that "fuse" it with Rock and Roll..)


Regards friend, and go ahead with your project, it will move!


UFO

[wonza]

Hi UFO,

Can I just ask, are these motors capable of self running and if so, have you got a working example or are you working on one? If you haven't what is required to make it possible?

For me at least, that would be the ultimate thing to see

kind regards,
wonza