My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[dR-Green]

Ah, Uh!!...

Dr Green...Did You ever care to visit my other Thread?...With Coils being pulsed and getting the output through the Diodes?

Well, here is a completely different issue, yet, where that previous thread also applies ...but, this time referring to Electrodynamics Machines...where the Coils now move (Dynamics) and pulse inside (Armature) and working -as of now- on outside Coils (Stators)...However, same principle applies...

But it is not "directly" related to what you are bringing from Tesla...as I also understand your end, but is different...


Regards


UFO

Well I still think it would be good to see a motor work off these types of currents using the same circuit arrangement as shown in the circuit controller patent

[Sanskara316]

Thanks

The other Armature I see that is cleaned up...has a perfect shaft and is just waiting for your new commutator...So just cut off the gear off the shaft and take whole shaft out of Brush casing...then you coud worl calmly taking out your comm...

Do a "surgical precision" cut there, very fine Dremel ,fine super fine blade to get "inbetween" case-gear...

I believe is your best choice Dear...

Now once you have comm-shaft out, then press it very EVENLY from bottom with some kind of hollow ring...that will fit-slide within shaft but seats exactly at EVEN Bottom of Commutator...


Cheers

UFO

Finally I was able to get the commutator out safe and sound, I'm cutting the motor housing at the moment, and I'll proceed to winding tonight, thanks a million Ufo

[dR-Green]

Tesla tuned his systems to keep the overall output flow unidirectional, he used oscillating elements to retain power within tanks using resonance while he moved it into the open parts of the system during the radiant event.

The discharge, being separated by capacitors has to do with the creation of displacement currents which is probably an important point but has so far been demonstrated by UFO to either work satisfactorily without or are there in enough of a form in UFO's systems to be working. It is in my opinion that a capacitor is an open circuit and that the diodes with the alternate discharge path fill this same requirement, along with being simplified form of Tesla's tuned DC pulse output of "electrical currents of high frequency".

One thing that may be of interest is that Tesla considered the condenser to be the greatest discovery of all time, or something to that effect This provides the "magnification" of the current, leading to much more "explosive" effects than are otherwise possible from the same amount of energy, because the energy is essentially compressed and released in a fraction of the time. This doesn't only apply to any spark gap related activities, and the basic principle doesn't only apply to electrical activities either. If you expose your hand to the sun then there is a constant amount of sunlight shining on the given area, the energy is scattered and weak to the "detector" that is your hand. Bring a piece of apparatus called a "magnifying glass" into the experiment, and focus, or tune it if you will, to maximise the potential, and see how long the "detector" can continue to work No one turned up the sun, it's the same amount of energy over the same time period as before, but now it has been focused or "compressed" into a very small and intense spot, rather than being scattered everywhere.

As you have posted, and I will Quote below, Tesla's words...

In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings.

[dR-Green]

Thanks Mr dR Green for pointing to these publications about Colorado Springs Notes page 57. This work is of special interest to me since I too have been thinking of employing two capacitors C1 and C1 in my Don Smith type of tesla coil apparatus. However utilization of capacitor Cp is new to me. I will look into this publication. So far, for some two years I have not been able to achieve OVER UNITY. As of present I am also trying to replicate UFO's RADIANT ENERGY CFL apparatus and RADIO-SHACK MOTOR

No problem, it's an excellent resource for the experimenter as well the one on alternating currents, filled with circuit diagrams and explanations of experiments etc. Good luck

[Turion]

UFO,
Regarding my BIG project. I have a STAMP I can use to control frequency and pulse width. I have another processor ordered. I have a variable voltage/amperage power supply that can control voltage and current. I also have a bunch of high voltage mosfets to use for switching. If there is something I cannot make myself, I can have it made. I have a friend with a machine shop he lets me use when he is at work and not using that particular machine. Sometimes I have to stand around for a while and just watch him while he is using the one I need, but it is worth it to get it done for free.

But like I said, I will follow your directions to the T, so I will build a smaller one first.

The radio shack motor is too much of a toy and there are too many variables between one and another to do accurate testing. I pulled six of them out of the packages and tested them stock and the amp draw was all over the map. This is not scientific enough for someone like me (sorry about that) so I am going with a bigger motor. I have built three of the modified RS ones so far, taken them apart and put them back together. I have used both the 30 gauge and the 32 gauge wire.

I have two of the Razor Scooter motors 16 pole, and almost have one together. It will by Monday or Tuesday (Can't work on the weekends--those I spend with my wife) Depending on whether I can get a new longer shaft at the Metric store or have to use the old one and one from a second motor. I have a stock Razor Scooter motor. I will hook to another motor to do testing and record all the data. I will run it at different voltages and amps and record the data. I will run the connected motor as a generator with various loads and record that data also. Then tear it down to pull the commutator for the modified motor build. I have a third Razor Scooter motor on order so that I will always have a stock one around for comparisons.

Dave

[bbem]

12-pole rotor

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Hello Netica,

I am sorry, my mistake, the picture shows they are Four(4) per Coil Pairs, total Three...but I will restore my photo's soon, I know is not there...
4X3=12...

Regards


UFO

UFO,
So there are three 4-poles groups.
Could you please tell me which pole should be added to the green group, the pole on the left (CCW) or on the right (CW) to the group?
My commutators have their pole-openings right over the fins, is this correct?

Thank you very much.

Regards,
Bert

[codeboundfuture]

dR-Green

I think just about all "Tesla coils" can be excluded here because all they are good for in their well-known state is to produce lightning bolts and light fluorescent tubes without wires within a metre or two of the coil. They show none of the more interesting effects that Tesla claimed.

A disruptive discharge is not a discharge.

If you don't need condensers, and you don't need a specific frequency, and you don't need disruptive discharges, and you basically don't need ANY of the conditions that Tesla laid out as being absolutely essential and strictly followed in order to produce the effects as he had claimed, then how can you claim it has anything to do with Tesla? Herein lies the issue.

I am pretty sure between a couple of us we have already covered the differences between UFO's application of Tesla's physics. The Tesla coil in it's sparky form does not demonstrate very much directly usable power but Tesla only used the sparks to figure out how much Aetheric pressure he was releasing through his discharges and tuned magnifiers. Like I had said, we have diodes now, everything else we choose to do with things such as resonance is a matter of how efficient we feel like being.

Just because your Prius can get 55 MPG does not mean you WILL drive it like that..

best wishes,
matt

[bobo36us]

Question for UFO and all......

Here is a question I asked on here about 4 years ago:

Background
The bigger the "Inductor", the bigger the "Inductance", correct?

Example: On Page 25 of this document http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Newman1.pdf Joe Newman states that if we take an air coil of 40 gauge wire , 1000 feet long, and having a resistance of 1,049 ohms, then pulse a 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current to it, that the resulting inductance would be .003 henries. No big deal, right?

But then he goes on to say, that if we take that same 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current and put it into a much larger coil, say 5 gauge wire, measuring 3,348,000 feet, to EQUAL the EXACT same resistance as above of 1,049 ohms, that the inductance is now a phenomenal 8,000,000 times greater, or a whopping 25,700 Henries!


Question
Why aren't we just pulsing larger coils????
Why do we need motors, spinning magnets, spinning wheels, rotors, brushes, commutators, etc.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to pulse larger coils with a chip or oscillator?

Obviously, the example above with 3,348,000 feet of 5 gauge wire (and weighing 335,469 pounds) is a little extreme, but what about 10 pound coils, or 20 pound coils, or 50 pound coils?





A 1/4 pound of atoms = 1/4 pound of energy

A small copper coil weighing only 1/4 pound will make a much smaller disturbance in the radiant energy field than a 10 pound coil will. Joe Newman refers to it as pounds of atoms instead of coils. For example, he will refer to 1/4 pound copper coil as 1/4 pound of atoms, and a 10 pound copper coil as 10 pounds of atoms.

The "gain" comes in the fact that when you pulse both coils with the exact same amount of current, the larger coil will extract much more radiant energy for useful work.


UFO........your video of the fiberglass motor lighting 5 light bulbs, does it really need to be spinning? Yes, you do gain a mechanical advantage as well, but wouldn't pulsing a larger coil get the same result according to Newman? Isn't that also what the MEG is kind of based on?


Disclaimer
Just asking questions and trying to learn, not trying to offend or imply that any other theory is wrong :-)

Love your videos too!!!!

[Lightworker1]

Ah, Uh!!...

Dr Green...Did You ever care to visit my other Thread?...With Coils being pulsed and getting the output through the Diodes?

Well, here is a completely different issue, yet, where that previous thread also applies ...but, this time referring to Electrodynamics Machines...where the Coils now move (Dynamics) and pulse inside (Armature) and working -as of now- on outside Coils (Stators)...However, same principle applies...

But it is not "directly" related to what you are bringing from Tesla...as I also understand your end, but is different...


Regards


UFO

Hello UFO as I am new to this forum, I will be very happy to know your other Threads. I am greatly impressed with the quality of your work and understanding. Many Thanks.

[minoly]

Here is a question I asked on here about 4 years ago:

Background
The bigger the "Inductor", the bigger the "Inductance", correct?

Example: On Page 25 of this document http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Newman1.pdf Joe Newman states that if we take an air coil of 40 gauge wire , 1000 feet long, and having a resistance of 1,049 ohms, then pulse a 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current to it, that the resulting inductance would be .003 henries. No big deal, right?

But then he goes on to say, that if we take that same 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current and put it into a much larger coil, say 5 gauge wire, measuring 3,348,000 feet, to EQUAL the EXACT same resistance as above of 1,049 ohms, that the inductance is now a phenomenal 8,000,000 times greater, or a whopping 25,700 Henries!


Question
Why aren't we just pulsing larger coils????
Why do we need motors, spinning magnets, spinning wheels, rotors, brushes, commutators, etc.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to pulse larger coils with a chip or oscillator?

Obviously, the example above with 3,348,000 feet of 5 gauge wire (and weighing 335,469 pounds) is a little extreme, but what about 10 pound coils, or 20 pound coils, or 50 pound coils?





A 1/4 pound of atoms = 1/4 pound of energy

A small copper coil weighing only 1/4 pound will make a much smaller disturbance in the radiant energy field than a 10 pound coil will. Joe Newman refers to it as pounds of atoms instead of coils. For example, he will refer to 1/4 pound copper coil as 1/4 pound of atoms, and a 10 pound copper coil as 10 pounds of atoms.

The "gain" comes in the fact that when you pulse both coils with the exact same amount of current, the larger coil will extract much more radiant energy for useful work.


UFO........your video of the fiberglass motor lighting 5 light bulbs, does it really need to be spinning? Yes, you do gain a mechanical advantage as well, but wouldn't pulsing a larger coil get the same result according to Newman? Isn't that also what the MEG is kind of based on?


Disclaimer
Just asking questions and trying to learn, not trying to offend or imply that any other theory is wrong :-)

Love your videos too!!!!

check out UFO's other threads including this one...
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nt-energy.html

I used the pulsing of a large coil here:
LED lights with big aluminum coil - YouTube
varying the pulse width strength etc...
very nice results. Now to apply them together as UFO notes. First, am building motor w/ long enough shaft to do work as UFO suggests.

John H. - you have many many many friends :-)

[mikec_ut]

RS-5Pole motors

I agree with Turion about the Radio Shack motors. I have built a few and have found that the original unmodified motors are not very reliable. I had good intentions on testing the unmodified and modified versions but I don't know how to compare them. The last 4 unloaded standard RS-5Pole motors had the following current draw: 310 milliamps, 490 milliamps, 730 milliamps, 300 milliamps. I took the 300 and 310 and converted them to the new design. I counted the turns and wire size and modified them and got good results. I then obtained gears, air prop, generators, etc. to do testing with and got such different results from the unmodified motors. There is no way to get a baseline to compare with because the modified motor is so different. All of the builds on this forum have used #28, #30, #32 wire with 20turn, 25 turn, 30 turn armature coils that it is impossible to get a standard line of testing for this motor.

Learning the concepts from this forum, the Radio Shack motor is great and easy to use and rebuild. So whatever personal testing you do please post what you observed so the rest of us can get an idea of what this new design can do. On the JB site the monopole SSG have been build with all kinds of flavors (size and shape) but they use a spread sheet to log all of those events to get a better view of the end result for each process not how it was built. We have not got to that point on this forum yet, so lets keep going.

I am going to a bigger motor. Don't know which one yet.

[Sanskara316]

Hi Guys,
Thanks again UFO, Dana and others who helped me with troubleshooting my 3 pole motor. Turns out my biggest problem was with getting the brushes at 90 degrees to the magnets. I ended up cutting 2 slots at the sides of the the end caps (where brushes are seated) and putting them back on the modded motor 90 degrees to the original way they were seated. She screams with a 9 volt battery. Having a hard time getting her to run with smaller batts (will try others this evg). Will start on 5-pole next.


Thanks again for your help everyone.
Bob

hello Bob, I just wondering if you could post a picture of what you did with the brushes, I'll start winding my 3 pole also, is a 12 volt motor from a car fan. or maybe can you explain it more. thanks. Anyways here is my 3pole motor. I just used a fusing rubber tape to join the casing. Its holding up well I think

[i_ron]

hello Bob, I just wondering if you could post a picture of what you did with the brushes, I'll start winding my 3 pole also, is a 12 volt motor from a car fan. or maybe can you explain it more. thanks. Anyways here is my 3pole motor. I just used a fusing rubber tape to join the casing. Its holding up well I think

Sanskara,

There is a little tab that fits in one of the little slots. If you file the tab off then you can rotate the brush holder to the proper spot (with the plastic fingers showing in the 'window'

Here is how I wound mine, 80 turns of number 27

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Asymmetric2.wmv - YouTube

Ron

[i_ron]

Sanskara,

There is a little tab that fits in one of the little slots. If you file the tab off then you can rotate the brush holder to the proper spot (with the plastic fingers showing in the 'window'

Here is how I wound mine, 80 turns of number 27

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Asymmetric2.wmv - YouTube

Ron

Sorry haven't figured out how to post pictures yet???

here is an attachment

Ron

[Les_K]

I agree with Turion about the Radio Shack motors. I have built a few and have found that the original unmodified motors are not very reliable. I had good intentions on testing the unmodified and modified versions but I don't know how to compare them. The last 4 unloaded standard RS-5Pole motors had the following current draw: 310 milliamps, 490 milliamps, 730 milliamps, 300 milliamps. I took the 300 and 310 and converted them to the new design. I counted the turns and wire size and modified them and got good results. I then obtained gears, air prop, generators, etc. to do testing with and got such different results from the unmodified motors. There is no way to get a baseline to compare with because the modified motor is so different. All of the builds on this forum have used #28, #30, #32 wire with 20turn, 25 turn, 30 turn armature coils that it is impossible to get a standard line of testing for this motor.

Learning the concepts from this forum, the Radio Shack motor is great and easy to use and rebuild. So whatever personal testing you do please post what you observed so the rest of us can get an idea of what this new design can do. On the JB site the monopole SSG have been build with all kinds of flavors (size and shape) but they use a spread sheet to log all of those events to get a better view of the end result for each process not how it was built. We have not got to that point on this forum yet, so lets keep going.

I am going to a bigger motor. Don't know which one yet.

Is this because the brushes need to be broke in? Looking at how they are made, it looks like they will take some amount of time before they are making proper contact.

Les