My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[MagnaMoRo]

Hi Admin, Just to get this offtrack for a minute , ...
When a magnet approaches a piece of steel,..what happens?
Thanks for any answers.
artv

Both the magnet and the steel have microscopic magnetic domains.

In the magnet, the microscopic magnetic domains are fused or cumulatively locked into a certain direction to produce a magnetic field.

In the steel, the microscopic magnetic domains are not fused, but relatively free to spin within the structure of the steel. So, they will align themselves with the external magnetic field produced by the magnet, causing attraction regardless to the direction (North or South) of the magnet.

[shylo]

observation

Hi Admin, Just to get this offtrack for a minute , ...
When a magnet approaches a piece of steel,..what happens?
Thanks for any answers.
artv

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Re: Gchilders post 7351 and my unipolar progress

@MidazTouch

Midaz I cannot agree with your suppositions as to the superiority of symmetrical motors v/s asymmetrical. I have replicated many of these designs and found all of them to be superior to the symmetrical method of winding.
...
"The benefit of cold electricity is in the cooling of the coils! Nikola Tesla discovered this effect and UFOPolitics has discovered it in his own winds."
...
Cheers,

Garry

Very nice analysis Garry!

Paul LaViolette in his book The Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsion discusses microwave patents that have leaked out from aerospace corporations where inordinate energy gains are reported, and a corresponding drop in temperature of the surroundings. So if a coil taps into the zero-point energy field for the back-emf response, as opposed to just leaking energy from its own field back into the wires, ask yourself just how would this be manifested in our own surroundings except by a drop in temperature.

Hopefully we can get by this and continue to share results.

My Unipolar work: motor running way hot, amperage very high, ~4A, for this size motor, not like my double rotor load of 1.3A. I attribute my errors in judgement on the low quality meters I am using, which I thought the coils were coming in close to or maybe over an ohm. I thought that I might be getting extra resistances at the brush heads and connectors that I thought might keep the calculated resistances in line with my meters. So I thought I was getting some kind of compromise on the each coils' total resistance coming in around an ohm. NOT! I would say my calculated resistances were exactly correct, and coming in a .75 ohms on the coils I shortened to squeeze in the quadfilar. I need to go back to the trifilar AND now I want to run a little over an ohm, and am shooting for going from the 18' I had of the trifilar (1 ohm calculated) to 24', which would put it at 1.33 ohms ea. My original problem was low amount of copper. So the solution would have been to go with longer trifilar all along. Ufo thought that the trifilar would be insufficient, but this motor is really kind of smallish, don't let the 3/8" shaft fool you...

[Lightworker1]

@MidazTouch

Midaz I cannot agree with your suppositions as to the superiority of symmetrical motors v/s asymmetrical. I have replicated many of these designs and found all of them to be superior to the symmetrical method of winding. If all you are looking for is performance at any cost then you are still incorrect in your assumptions.
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Cheers,

Garry

Hello Gary, many thanks for your deep and detailed message. For the last five days I have waiting to really reply but due to some circumstances was not able to. All the same you more or less stated what I had in mind.
Some people seem to forget that this thread is really of R&D nature. The primary trait of a hypothesis is that something can be tested and that those tests can be replicated. To this end you correctly stated how our R&D Asymmetrical motors are evolving one step at a time. UFO has led the design and development based on the outcomes of the prior experimental model of these motors. UFO at no stage ever declared that particular model was going to the final perfect model. Hey symmetric motors have been in the game over 100 years+. UFO and team have covered great deal of ground just in few years. The R&D just means that it is in a constant development and better and better asymmetric motor configurations are presented by UFO based on the experimental results of the prior models.
Some individuals as you stated wanted asymmetric motor should be built with same gauge and length of wire as the symmetric motor to compare them side by side. I say to those guys, "I want a motor that will be a motive workhorse that will use power economically." I do not care if it needs more copper wire.

@UFO please keep the R&D going and lets concentrate on our goal. As Gary stated this R&D thread (and UFO's other threads) are open source. It appears some really wanted to use the opportunity to use the open source work of this thread as their own.

@UFO you are greatly respected and admired for making your work open source from the DAY ONE. You saw the light by keeping your work open source . Compared to the symmetric electrical systems of the 100+ years, you+team are moving forward at light speed ahead with this alternative asymmetric electrical engineering science R&D. For example, LINUX succeeded by being open source and look what happened Kapanandez's (for profit) energy machines. After all these years, the bankers with whom Kapanande signed the intellectual work behind his work, to this day have not produced a single unit.

For 2015, my goals are
1. Build and test ALL NORTH IMPERIAL MOTOR
2. Build low lenz generator based on the Syair Putra Generator concept.

Gary, UFO, and all the hard working members of the UFO-TEAM the warmest of warmest regards.

lightworker

[DadHav]

File didn't seem to delete. I'll try later.

[thebanano]

UH, I THINK I'M LANDING ON DIFFERENT PLANET....

[Ufopolitics]

Gary,

I knew that too
You just don't know Raul/UFO

Check my thread. The 20kg, 28pole Imperial is finished with the A1Mo-Gen design!
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-mo-gen-2.html

with vids of the A1Mo-Gen build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izPKtuXoGUg
The torque is the same if not stronger than the N/S wind...
It can be made a lot stronger! Then test: Watts for Watts, AWG for AWG, Turns for Turns... You know, a fair battle/comparison. The A1Mo-Gen will stall, then reverse the N/S wind! After the battle the N/S motor will have a few burned up wires!!! Just like Raul/UFO, is right now


This is why, dude is really upset. There will be No lawlessness UFO! Repent


Keep it Clean and Green:
Midaz

Remember all your mails commenting about Erfinder?...would like to see them?

I got more...and more Mr Batts...keep playing this game...You are doing me a great favor, know that?...I am finally out to be MYSELF, yes, a great relief, yes you are reading right, know why?...

The word "fear" does not exist in my Real World...and the only one I had you just released it in the open...also, because I had to show all my personal Patents and my Open Science Disclosures in new Threads to be open soon...and guess what?...they are not exactly written under Ufopolitics nickname...so yes, many thanks "Richie"!


R. Lorenzo (Yes very similar to "Lorentz" except without the "t", and with an "o" closing the loop)

[Zardox]

I don't want to get in the middle of this mess

But I do want to make a statement that from the small motors that I have built per UFO's specifications have worked quite well. The only reason that I have not built the imperial is becuase of the cost and difficulty. I have little doubt that the all north group or pair winding would work just fine.

[GChilders]

Another Useful Idiot

@MidazTouch

Midaz I cannot agree with your suppositions as to the superiority of symmetrical motors v/s asymmetrical. I have replicated many of these designs and found all of them to be superior to the symmetrical method of winding. If all you are looking for is performance at any cost then you are still incorrect in your assumptions. The windings that I proposed to UFOPolitics are simpler but are still Asymmetrical and intended to be used in an asymmetrical motor. I would never take the attitude that you have and disrespect that you have without at least testing the suppositions that you are posting. First, our goal here has not been to create a motor that outperforms symmetrical motors at this point. It has been to prove that there is a glaring flaw in all of the symmetrical motor designs. They consume too much energy to make them practical for transportation, and to create a model that is practical for transportation. I watched with interest the grand prix event that you posted on the site expecting to see an event that would demonstrate the practical nature of electric motors. What I saw was a racing event that allowed two cars to be entered into the event because the batteries from one car would not last throughout the entire event. No one has ever said that symmetrical motors cannot perform powerfully! What has been said is they do so at an unacceptable cost! The knowledge that I have gained from working on these motors has been invaluable. The results at times disappointing, but, that is the nature of Research and Development. UFO is to be commended for tolerating these insulting attacks from those who have tried to discredit his findings. You may have missed my post about testing the all north wind that UFO developed. Initially I was less than thrilled with this design. When I later posted that I tested it to distruction you may not have caught the admiration I now hold for this design. I put over 200 volts through this motor! It survived! That is an admirable feat in itself. Yes, I did eventually keep pushing it up until it failed, due not to the design of the motor but the failure of the epoxy I used to handle the awesome torque and rpms that the motor was turning . There was no burning of the commutator or the brushes. The design provides amazing power and amazing performance and that test used only the motor side to drive it, the generator side was not connected to anything. I have always gotten more power from the assymmetrical design than the symmetrical motors when I connect both the generator and motor sides to the battery source. I have only tested with batteries, for the simple reason that most will not be plugged into a wall socket when they are on the road. Any test with a wall socket will not be the entire picture as the car or motorcycle or r/c toy will not be plugged into a wall socket when they are performing. My recommendation for trying other windings was a pragmatic one. It takes time to wind them this way. Testing an idea is neccessary to give it validity. I will go through the trouble of winding these, but have decided to make several tests that will give them all an even footing. 1. As I see it the two commutators are what seperate the symmetrical from the asymmetrical motors. 2. The stock symmetrical wind has an advantage in that it has two motor cycles per revolution where as the assymmetrical has one, unless the generator brushes are used to power the motor also. The asymmetrial has the advantage in having more wire, and more coils. I will give the point to the performance of the symmetrical motor in this only because of it's simplicity and cost basis per motor. I take all of that away from the symmetrical because it does not provide for a method of capturing the spent energy for use in the production of energy in recharging the battery. We can accomplish the same result by powering both sides of the motor with a direct connection to the battery. I have done so and can report that the torque and rpm gain is phenominal. The problem is that it drains the battery just as quickly as the symmetrical motor does. 3. The greatest benefit of the assymmetrical motor is the control it gives us over the methods that we can use to drive and capture the power being fed to it and how cool it runs compared to the symmetrical motor. There is a reason that these (symmetrical) motors are rated at a certain amount of voltage and amps. There is only so much amperage a wire can take before it melts when used in a symmetrical method. This is where your true lack of understanding is exposed and most other detractors are also. The benefit of cold electricity is in the cooling of the coils! Nikola Tesla discovered this effect and UFOPolitics has discovered it in his own winds. Until the last two months of testing I did not understand this effect that UFOPolitics was trying to expose to us. It wasn't until I went back to the cold electricity coil of UFOPolitics and started using a pulser with it that I truly got an understanding of the difference. I still need time to fully explore this effect. But it is possible to use the same size wire, the same length of wire that a symmetrical motor uses and get much more power and rpms and use much less energy with an assymmetrical motor. That is a bold statement. I will make another, the standard method of using pulse width modulation is inferior to using incremental increases in frequency and leaving the pulse width consistent and I have proven so and will demonstrate so. As you increase motor speed with pulse width modulation it has the unfortunate result of increasing amperage draw and thus increasing heat in the motor coils. This tells me that energy is changing form and although consumption of energy is increasing that increase is wasted in producing heat. In my tests of using incremental increases of frequency and leaving the puse width consistent the motor coils stay cool to the touch. The truth here is that the electric motor industry has had over a hundred years to improve their designs and some of the greatest minds of the world to do so. And failed to gives us a product that could make it through an entire race without needing to be charged up. That is a dead end road Midaz and I am amazed that you think that any solution will come from them. I have been busy testing and building and retesting and rebuilding, not sitting on my butt waiting for someone else to come up with answers for me to take credit for. UFOPolitics deserves credit and not the disrespectful attacks that you have exposed here lately. He has never attacked anyone that has not attacked him first. The claims he has made I for one have found to be true. I continue on this path because I think it is the most innovative approach that I have seen so far. I now have begun to appreciate what UFOPolitics has been trying to teach us about the effect that he is talking about. Truth is not something that is taught, it is something that is caught. Magnetism and electromagnetism is something that has baffled men for centuries. Even Tesla himself, as great an electrical engineer as he was, admitted that he did not understand how it worked. He understood that in the end the result would not be in closed symmetrical systems, what you put in is what you get out. The real power is in asymmetry. There is a sea, a veritible ocean, of energy surrounding us that is begging to be tapped by the most creative minds of our generation. You have exposed yourself Midaz and I have concluded that you are in the enemies camp. There are many that have come to discourage and discredit and you are one that claimed to have a team, where is your team Midaz? Those of us that are here are on UFOPolitics team. We are throwing our support to him because unlike those who have not tried to understand through replication, we have. I respect the opinions of those who replicate. Those who work with their replications to tune them, to understand the principles of electromagnitism. To work on the original version to try to understand that if the results are not the same that possibly they have done something different. Every change in wire size, wire length is going to produce different results because the resistance in the wire is different. This alone will give different results. Repulsion v/s attraction will give different results. There is not a clear winner in each of these catagories because one will be lead to compromises. One has an advantage in one area and the other in another. If your goal is to have two motorcycles to be able to finish the Isle of Mann race then by all means pursue that route and good luck in your endeavor. My goal is different. I want to be able to drive across these United States without stopping at a service station for fuel or a wall socket for a charge! I want to be able to accelerate in a reasonable amount of time to 70 mph and then cruise to recharge my batteries. We are on the very tip of exploring this technology. Our understanding is infantile, but progressing daily. Symmetrical motors, and gasoline and deisel motors are a thing of the past. The future is in Asymmetry.
My issue with all that come from your point of view has nothing to do with race or nationality or culture. It is the same old battle between the wealthy and working classes of our nation. The wealthy look for a model that can elevate their wealth to a higher level at the expense of the workers that develop and build the technology that they use to expand their principalities. True capitalism no longer exists in the Americas for the simple reason that the politicians on both sides of the isle are in the pockets of the large corporations. Let us not forget the legacy of the large bankers and power brokers of Edison's and Tesla's time. How the banker JP Morgan used his wealth to force Edison into selling his business to him because Edison did not have the money to fight his bogus patent infringement case. Let us not forget that when Tesla exposed the real motive behind developing Wardenclyffe Tower was to provide free electricity to the public that the response was to withdraw all funding from his project. If there is no money to be made the capitalist will not fund it. The only way that this technology will be expanded and developed will be through open source testing. Racing proves nothing when it comes to this technology if everyone in the race can put as many batteries as they want and as many cars as they want on the racetrack! Lots of money spent, and look at the price increase that we have seen in vehicles. The huge price increases in oil and the taxes we must spend every year for a technology that could have freed up all of those funds to give a higher standard of living for every family in the world.

@ UFOPolitics

I must say that having been on this thread for over two years now and seeing the scathing attacks against your designs you have remained remarkably calm this time. Kudos, and good success on your future endeavors. I am still here developing the technology that you have so kindly shared with me, seeking to improve in my own way the findings that I have discovered on the way.

Cheers,

Garry

[Ufopolitics]

Conclusions...about Mr Batts and the A1 Mo-Gen".

Hello to All,

As all of you have been able to read before...Mr Batts main purpose here is to find a source to start making Money no matter what...and since he is "not that bright at all"...for Science...Nor familiar with Motors, Controllers, Connections, Diagrams, CAD's etc,etc...He is looking around for this "someone" that would be able to help him out fulfill his smoking dreams about "Fame and Fortune"...And what He is good at...is into "Babble work"...He would Bla, bla, bla, bla....bla..you to death...

The main purpose of being friendly in the beginning is just to acquire all the Info he needs, and be inside, this is the "Bait and Tackle process"...and start "saving all info that he can get" on his folder(s)...acquiring the right sources for the right controllers, right diagrams, and the works to complete the whole thing.

This Forum is a great source for people like this guy...here, he will find a lot of helping and nice members that would try to satisfy his requests.

But He is NOT into Open Source AT ALL!!, or have any "Spirit" of what really a "Team Member" is on this kind of Scientific Forums ...on the contrary, after he gets all he wants...would be a matter of minutes and bye...gone with the wind.

It is obvious that if any of Us say a "No"...He will get upset, or in the best of cases...just say..."Ok, bye, thanks"...But when it comes to big "probable" money making deals like an Imperial Machine at Imperial Electric...this guy would do the impossible to try and try to get it done.

By making this simple winding BS changes from My Original Asymmetric Machines Concepts into "Single Coils" now the "A1 Mo-Gen"...He is starting that thread to get more people in to test, and to suggest different this and that...gathering his "goodies" to try again to make another "hit" at Imperial...

THE ONLY "GREEN" THAT MR BATTS CARES AND IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE GREEN FROM BIG $$$ MONEY MAKING

But hey, Mr Batts...please do not forget again the Instruction Manual and Diagrams!!





I am so glad this little smiley finally works!!!


Ufopolitics

P.S: It is a shame we have to deal with this kind of low class PARASITES, here on this Public Forums!!

[Ufopolitics]

Mr Batts is hunting for the next Prospect Motor ...

Mr Batts is hunting for the next Prospect Motor through this Thread...to be sent for a new test He will be in charge to schedule...

Should we release the first test results
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:28 AM
To: "ufopolitics ." <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
Cc: Dana Higley <>

Konichiwa(ko-knee-chi-wa)= hello/ good day

I definitely see why you don't want to release the information. The skeptics are a pain in the _ss! The thread has been calm for a few weeks. That has given everyone a chance to relax and do other things. But we have to remain focused on the main task at hand. That's getting the testing done properly at Imperial.

In in addition to text explanations, I do understand the importance of a diagram. It's really helps for clarity and it makes us look well organized. The motor being at Imperial was a surprise for everyone. I'm pretty sure that if we knew that our motor would be tested at Imperial, the wires would have been color coordinated to diagram.

Dana, I know you are super busy recently but you basically sent your motor over night! You are soo appreciated. I say that from the bottom of my heart. You have done so much to help others and to push this project/Technology forward. Your work can't be measured.

We all know that there has been some type of mistake with the testing at Imperial of Dana's motor. We are all hoping that the coils have not been burn/open but they ran the tests at high voltage and amperes. So, we should expect the worse. The Imperial engineers a very busy. They're testing other machines to add to the lineup for this spring. Will they take the time to check the continuity & ohms for 28 coils, cracks on 8 brushes, cut & clean the commutators and them reassemble the motor!? We NEED a plan B, fast! lol

1.)My motor was put on a DC power supply. My commutators look like they've been through hell! They are severely scorched.

2.)Machinealive used a different gauge wire. Also, I've spoken to him via Skype and he's doing different things at this point.

3.)Hitby13kw has had some difficulties.

4.)Kogs is in Australia. It's going to cost him over $400 to send his motor to America.

5.) UFO

This is what we have that I know of. Are there anymore options?

Richie

1)Meaning his motor is out of this "deal" is sick...

2)Machine Alive is busy and wire not good...

3)Hitby no good either...

4)Kogs is great but too far...

5) So UFO Motor would be next in line...

How lucky I am...Huh?


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Final Conclusion on Imperial testing part 4/ emails Part 9

Hello to All,


This is the final response from Engineering Dept. at Imperial Electric in blue color, plus...>>no more testings>>>outlined in red by me.

Also, after this wrong testing due to wrong connections, that ended damaging motor...and the connections diagrams arriving after burnt machine...what would any of you expect they will answer without assuming ANY Liabilities?!

They will answer exactly the way they did...

"Oh!, Yes!, after looking at connections Diagram -IT CONFIRMS- we did it the right way"...

The Machine cables were not even properly color coded, it is shown on only picture there were a "Mixed Salad Bar" of Negatives and Positives connections not knowing which is which...plus no diagrams to go by.

Re: Motor upgrades
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:34 PM
To: "Engle, Joe [KINETEK-ISE]" <joe.engle@nidec-ise.com>, David Chippi <david.chippi@nidec-ise.com>
Cc: Dana Higley <>, "ufopolitics@gmail.com Ufo" <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
Hi Joe and David

I'm sorry your tests were inconclusive. It's all my fault. I should have known better to have sent you new technology instructions without attaching diagrams and videos. My team was very upset at me about that. We were hoping that the motor coils were not damaged from your first test. Even when severely damaged, the motor will still work. My team and I appreciate all of the time that you have spent. If you would really like to see what this motor can do, we have a fresh motor with color coordinated wires and all switches attached from our team leader UFO, waiting to be sent to you.

As I stated in my previous email. My team has a list of upgrades for our kit:
> "based on your 56 frame: Neodymium magnets, thicker shaft, waterproof aluminum case, industry standard AWG wires for EV connectors, adjustable brush housing, high performance bearings"
Could we have any of these done and what's the cost?

Joe, could you please do me a favor. Please have Dr Higley's commutators cut and polished. He sent his motor at a last minutes notice for me. Also, he will rebuild his motor. Here is his address:

Dana Higley
<address deleted>

Please have Dyann contact me, Richard Batts, for any billing concerns.

Keep it Clean and Green
Richie

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:44 AM, "Engle, Joe [KINETEK-ISE]" <joe.engle@nidec-ise.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
> I am well thank you for asking. Yes the diagrams and videos were helpful. They confirmed that we had the motor connected the proper way we were told for the testing.
>
> I don't believe that we will be doing any further testing on this unit therefore I would like to get this returned. To whom and where should it be sent?
>
>
> Thanks, Joe[/COLOR]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. Batts [mailto:midaztouch4u@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:42 PM
> To: Engle, Joe [KINETEK-ISE]
> Subject: Motor upgrades
>
> Hi Joe
>
> How are you? Were the diagram and videos enough to help assist you with preparation for testing? When using the proper connection set up, the motor should preform well. If light damage is suspected from the last Dyno, a quick continuity test, replace cracked/chipped brushes and cutting & polishing the commutators could resolve some issues. Another motor with the same specs as Dr. Higley's is on standby, if needed.
>
> For our next prototype motor, based on your 56 frame: Neodymium magnets, thicker shaft, waterproof aluminum case, industry standard AWG wires for EV connectors, adjustable brush housing, high performance bearings would greatly increase the overall performance and efficiency of the motor. I'm sure you have more to add. A 250cc - 600cc sport bike is what I would like to use as the first EV conversion for track testing. Ultimately, 3D printing and Solidworks CAD software generated motorcycle frame would be perfect for racing.
>
> Please contact me, if you have any questions and/or answers.
>
> Keep it Clean and Green
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad

After burning Dana's Motor in those tests, Mr Batts wanted Me to be the "Next in Line" Motor to fulfill his ambition to get this deal no matter what...

My Imperial Motor NEVER went to Imperial Electric for ANY further testing...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

To Be or Not to Be...Imperial 3/ Emails Part 8

Hello to All,

In this email, addressed to Dana and Me, Mr Batts is now hesitating about to publish or not to publish on this Forum Thread all the screwed up Testing, which was completely his fault (he was in charge as the V.I.P Middle Man since the beginning) by NOT doing all this "negotiation"the proper way and behind my back.

So now UFO must come in and try to fix all this crap, explain the Members here for something I did not do... because of Mr Batts errors...so absolutely not, I said do not expose that wrong connection tests, and my original mail is at the end of this post along with the picture of the test at Imperial Electric.

Should we release the first test results
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:04 AM
To: "ufopolitics@gmail.com Ufo" <ufopolitics@gmail.com>, Dana Higley


Hi Gentlemen

I hope both of you have had a good week. I have had a few people ask me about the Imperial results this week. I was hoping to have some information by Friday. I guess it was the end of the month and Imperial was very busy or no news is good news.

I was thinking that we should release the first results from the test. Even though the test results are inconclusive due to the dc power supply amps and/or crossed wires. This could be a valuable learning point for other team members that are using DC power supplies for Dyno tests. It would also give a heads up about frying of the wires that could lead to a result lower than we expected.

On another note. UFO, I spoke to Dana but I didn't tell you. The bike shop was trying to make me sign patent papers. I refused and they asked me to leave their shop back in November. I was upset but no big deal. Anyway, I need to do this on my own terms..... So gentlemen , I bought a small race bike last week and here it is.

Richie





Sent from my iPad

My Response:

Should we release the first test results
ufopolitics . <ufopolitics@gmail.com> Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:07 AM
To: "R. Batts" <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com>
Cc: Dana Higley <dana's mail>
Hello Richard, hello Dana,

Richard, I do NOT think it is a good idea to release some failed testing results related to a bad connection, based on the wrong way to feed Motor. This would bring all kind of skeptics and critics to start a whole bunch of crap...and I am really not into starting again...on the other hand I believe it could be confusing to replicating members that have their minds clear on how to do it right based on the diagrams that I have displayed on how to Connect Imperial the right way.

The testing shows ridiculous measurements that I do not even think the Radio Shack Motor ever rendered...even the ones done by the worst replications there.

Just take a look at Iankoglin testing...on 12V...and compare to their tests.

Whoever contact you and ask you for results...tell them they are still working on it...or very busy at the time, etc,etc.

I believe it was a big mistake to supply Imperial Electric with a "naked" Motor...meaning, not attaching the right diagrams on how to connect...text explanations never work as a diagram does.
Every Industrial Machine comes with the plans of the way to connect it...even more when it is about a completely new technology they are not familiar with at all.

Now, I have a question:

How do we know for sure that Imperial Electric did not ****ed up by opening/burning some Pair/Coils continuity/contacts because of the wrong connections?...That could also now render very poor future testing.

We all know Asymmetric machines still run with even a few Pairs/Coils open...however the overall performance would be lousy.

We will have to teach them how to conduct a continuity resistance test at all 28 Pairs, marking a start comm element then start turning shaft element by element...reading resistance according to Dana's spec's...or continuity...would they know how to do that right?

I am just trying to avoid wrong results again...

About the only picture we have from Imperial Testing...I see some wrong things at plain sight.

1-I see a P22 End Cap with a Red cable...Dana, did you ran out of black cables?

2-P1 and P15 at bottom end cap are supposed to be Black (Negative)...but here they are Red here?

3- I see Imperial Shop have a Red Tape mark on their feeding cable that ties to ALL Negative Connections?

4- Dana I see Two Red Cables coming out from the front end of motor with black tape wrapped around it (two yellow arrows I painted)...what does this means?

No wonder Motor in the first attempt did not even want to move!

Simply... for what I can see here...Imperial Shop ran this Motor at reversed direction (hoping they did not connect one pair running opposite feeding...and if Dana set timing as close as possible (CRITICAL-MAX-TIMING) to Repulsion on CCW...then Imperial Shop ran it at attraction FORCED , very WEAK mode, meaning, motor was breaking/stalling and Fire Works sparking/arcing...just because attracting coils were not turning off whenever they were reaching TDC (Bisectors alignment) with stators...but kept going God knows for how long...

In my opinion, this motor should be taken apart and clean/rectify/cut clean all commutator elements, check all brushes not to be cracked or missing pieces of carbon, etc,etc...besides running a resistance/continuity test on EACH Pair...PLUS a ground leak test of ALL Pairs...which are supposed to be isolated from rotor core metal... And of course, Dana would have to give Imperial the resistance value he wound this coils at...like 0.7 , 0.9...or whatever ohms.

Take care Guys

Ufopolitics

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Imperial Electric Part 2...Mails Part 7

Hello to All,

This is the final conclusion on Imperial Testing conducted by Mr Batts.

I never got to talk to the Imperial Engineers about this connections errors.

UFO No Load and Performance test report 2-17-14.xls... Test results
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:19 PM
To: "ufopolitics ." <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
Raul,

It seems as though they are using straight DC from the wall. Are batteries the only proper way to test?

Richie

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My Answer:

UFO No Load and Performance test report 2-17-14.xls... Test results
ufopolitics . <ufopolitics@gmail.com> Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM
To: "R. Batts" <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com>
Richard,

It depends on the DC Power Supply Current Limiting (Amps) they have regulated at...if they have a huge 100 Amps C.L setting (Current Limit), our Machine will literally "swallow" all those amps and that is why such high sparking.

The Batteries I was showing Tests on video are not even full size Car or Golf Cart Batteries...but smaller and rated 35 Amps/Hour.

It can be seen the average Amps draw at the orange Clamp Meter.

Are they using the connections as I have suggested at Thread, like the Diagram below?!



That is the way I tested this Motor on both videos, and the best way is to start first taking measurements at one Gate (P1) then go for the orderly number...just like I do on video.


Regards


Raul

The link I sent above did not work...so I sent a second correction:

UFO No Load and Performance test report 2-17-14.xls... Test results
ufopolitics . <ufopolitics@gmail.com> Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:44 PM
To: "R. Batts" <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com>
sorry, the link to Photobucket I sent you does NOT works,

Check this one

RPMS_TEST_CIRCUIT Photo by ufopolitics | Photobucket

UFO No Load and Performance test report 2-17-14.xls... Test results
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:55 PM
To: "ufopolitics ." <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
Raul,

I understand all that you have said. I've watched and save the pic of the setup.

I have Skype international call. I can call any phone land or cell in America. I use it to call Dana home and cell phone. Is there a phone # I can call you at?

Richard

Sent from my iPad

UFO No Load and Performance test report 2-17-14.xls... Test results
ufopolitics . <ufopolitics@gmail.com> Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:37 PM
To: "R. Batts" <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com>
Richard,

No problems to give you my cell, however, I think if we speak over the phone, You may end up more confused than communicating through here...

Am about to go to sleep, a long day awaits tomorrow.

However for I can see, Imperial guys wants to send the Motor back...LOL...guess they got tired not to see any improvements or good results...after all you have said about it......I am positive they have connected it wrong.

They are used to connect all positive and negative at the top end and expect it to move (just like they do it in the original symmetric)...and it did not work as they say in first test "motor did not rotate"...then am sure they try randomly...

I thought you sent them the Diagram for testing gates in the order we know, P1, then P15, then P8...then P22, as we have discussed before on Thread.

I would not even mention about the Quad Pulser...or they will definitively think we are all "mentally insane"...LOL

Good night here (11.00 PM)...or Good After Noon in Japan...

Trying to get connections right too late:

Test video and diagram set up
R. Batts <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com> Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:03 PM
To: Joe Engle <joe.engle@nidec-ise.com>, David Chippi <david.chippi@nidec-ise.com>
Cc: Dana Higley <>, "ufopolitics@gmail.com Ufo" <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
Hi Joe and David Chippi

I sent you a video and diagram of the correct way to set up my team's machine. Did you receive it? If not, here it is again.

Dr Higley has been swamped with patients do to the terrible cold spell over there and I live in Japan. We wish we could come to your testing facility to assist you with set up. We appreciate all that you and Imperial have done so far.

Set up and testing video:
TESTING_ALL_GATES RPMS_AT_36V - YouTube

Dr Higley's motor should be in the 3000rpm - 4300rpm range with batteries at 36v @32 amps.
Everyone on our team has done all sorts of mods to their machines. Also some done a lot of fine tuning and high performance parts. That's why we have a large rpm range. It's a prototype.




I have a calling plan for family and friends in the States. If you need me for anything, I can call you and talk you through any set up issues.


Keep it Clean and Green

Richard

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Engineers at Imperial received connection diagrams

Test video and diagram set up
Engle, Joe [KINETEK-ISE] <joe.engle@nidec-ise.com> Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:14 PM
To: "R. Batts" <midaztouch4u@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Chippi, David [KINETEK-ISE]" <david.chippi@nidec-ise.com>, Dana Higley <>, "ufopolitics@gmail.com Ufo" <ufopolitics@gmail.com>
I have it. We will double check our set up in a couple days when the lab gets some time.

Thanks Joe

Engineers at Imperial answered, however, motor was already damaged by first run, and they did not wanted to take responsibilities or liabilities ...so a second test with proper connections never took place


End of Imperial "attempt" by Mr Batts


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