Dana, My Mecce Alte generator
does not have a shaft protruding but rather a hole to accept the standard shaft from a gas engine I think. I remember Ufo holding the component he made or bought to adapt this style of gen head.
Am I off-base?
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We all used a shaft two part clamp. Not a universal as too much movement. Just a two halves connector and four bolts. You can get them on ebay with different sizes ends.
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Trying to do a Miniature Imperial-Mecce-Alte setup
using my unipolar GM window motor and random AC induction motors trying to convert them to run in a generator mode. Had a little 1/40th HP motor I could not get to run over 50v, with little power strength. Got another 1/8 hp going crazy just finding caps laying around to run tests, but got it up to about 70v once, but my unipolar was topped out on 24v even. That link on the conversion, the guy is pretty clear that I just need to get the cap values high. I used his electro cap hookup recommendation to substitute for run caps to double up the MFs. Its the same manufacturer and similar design as the 1/40 HP motor, though, and it just did not behave well as a AC generator. But the last motor available at my motor goldmine is very similar to the first but at least 1/20th HP so maybe thats just the ticket for it to work. There is a smaller 220-240v motor (2 settings?) would seem to have less rotational mass, I think it was saying 1hp, but much smaller than normal 1 HP motors. Had extra sets of wires though.
Question for Ufo: Can you give me a point to your video where you made the connecting shaft between the Imperial and the Mecce-Alta generator? Or did you buy it somewhere? can't recall... As you may remember my back burner baldor has a 3KW Mecce-Alta companion.
I want to build a new rotor for my quad Pentagon GM motor first, and use a bifilar winding. To get the right resistance I calculate I need 2 strands of 32ga wire for that. I want to see how a multifilar works. Planned out a 30ga quad-filar for the Baldor...Last edited by sampojo; 08-20-2014, 01:24 PM.
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Originally posted by wantomake View PostTo Ufo and All,
Thanks Ufo, I will check the ohms between commutator and shaft.
It is NOT between shaft (ground) and one wire what you have to check...BUT, between EACH Commutator Element of each Group that is grounded.
Why this difference?...because if you have zero resistance between both mating commutator elements, then every time brushes go through them...you are gonna be shorting your source.
So, it depends on what part of the whole Group of coils you ground one wire...or two, in which case if they are both grounds closer to end-beginning of Coils Group, it will give a zero or very below the other Groups resistance.
If you have anyone at zero resistance, then it is better to disconnect -at least one- from commutator elements.
It may not be a self runner, which I've obsessed over for TOO many years...
Don't worry about it...We will get there, I promise, and very soon...
A "Self Runner" contains everything within...it MUST BE OU, of course...but, even worst...it is the closest "thing" to a Motion Perpetual Machine (MPM)...This to become a reality could be leading to a World Crisis, a Caos...Skeptics will commit suicide by masses...plus the ones with Cardiac problems...rivers of tears...Oh no!!...I can see it!!
Simplifying this in real terms...We need a VERY LOW consuming Prime Mover (and if the Prime Mover could send back to source the "unused energy, even better...)...as well as a Zero Drag effects from Lenz Law...as that it outputs MUCH MORE Energy than Prime Mover...
Actually, you know on this specific Forum...We have all the Ingredients to make such devices...and now with the great Theories and many proven facts about the reality on Magnetic Fields Vortexes, and Dielectric Fields by Theoria Apophasis...We are on ball bearings here, my friend!!
It is just a matter of time...to come up with a "Resumee" and make a Build, from all Theory, Open Source and Old patents exposed here...I can see it coming very soon...
Sorry to be emotional about this and we must be, but I think we live now and are watching with this infant of next generation technology is in our own hands. I want to help it grow if I can...waa...waa..oh sorry my baby is in the shop crying for my attention.
Busy parent,
wantomake
PS: Waiting for more parts(tuesday) to continue this build.
Regards
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@ Wantomake
Originally posted by wantomake View Post
Wow Midaz and Ufo those are great videos you posted and thanks. I feel I'm so far behind in this world of supercaps and what others are doing. In the process of studying this area and now see advantages for this Asymmetric motor/generator. Not sure about the discussion of balancing the charge/discharge of each cap. But I do plan to have different independent banks of caps to switch between as the Ufo motor operates. It may not be a self runner, which I've obsessed over for TOO many years, but will get many miles and amp hours way past anything we can imagine.
Sorry to be emotional about this and we must be, but I think we live now and are watching with this infant of next generation technology is in our own hands.
wantomake
PS: Waiting for more parts(tuesday) to continue this build.
I like that we have met and/or exceeded the off the shelf "Amp Monsters" motors in:
1.) efficiency,
2.) better than regenerative braking,
3.) raises the voltage without needing cooling (within reason)
Just those 3 claims above, should be more than enough to get the attention from the EV World.
I believe that we have reached the point that we have grown to near our limits in this pot(energetic forum). Our roots need to spread or growth will be stunted.
What I've noticed is that the EV forums are going silent from the builders. Two things come into mind:
1.) The mid range builder$$$ are selling out for manufactured vehicles. The price is almost the same if the project is done properly. Also the resale value is terrible for home builders. From an investors prospective, it would be advantageous to buy an OEM EV from a dealer. Parts are simple to replace, reliability and overall headaches are reduced/piece of mind.
2.) Most people have "been there and done that" all ready! The excitement has dwindled. They are watching the big /don't worry about money crowd do insanely expensive projects.
The people on Energetic Forum are wayyyy more tech savvyyy and innovative than the off the shelf specs builders on the EV Forums. The creativity will come from this forum. And the excitement will come from the EV forums. Together we can shift from lab testing to real world testing builds. And possibly lead to manufacturing. UFO's machines can level the playing field and bring back the fun in home building.
The possibilities are endless
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MidazLast edited by Midaztouch; 08-17-2014, 04:49 AM.
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Supercaps and emotions
To Ufo and All,
Thanks Ufo, I will check the ohms between commutator and shaft.
On the RS motor I've been testing different setups and it's interesting to me the technology in these super or ultra capacitors. I do like using LA batteries in testing but, see many applications for these supercaps.
Wow Midaz and Ufo those are great videos you posted and thanks. I feel I'm so far behind in this world of supercaps and what others are doing. In the process of studying this area and now see advantages for this Asymmetric motor/generator. Not sure about the discussion of balancing the charge/discharge of each cap. But I do plan to have different independent banks of caps to switch between as the Ufo motor operates. It may not be a self runner, which I've obsessed over for TOO many years, but will get many miles and amp hours way past anything we can imagine.
Sorry to be emotional about this and we must be, but I think we live now and are watching with this infant of next generation technology is in our own hands. I want to help it grow if I can...waa...waa..oh sorry my baby is in the shop crying for my attention.
Busy parent,
wantomake
PS: Waiting for more parts(tuesday) to continue this build.Last edited by wantomake; 08-16-2014, 03:41 PM.
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UFO,
If you are ready for this crowd.
NINJA CONVERSION INTO ELECTRIC
it is only a FIVE MINUTE AND FIFTEEN SECONDS VIDEO (05:15)...and in that very small amount of time...this guy shows all the work He did, plus ALL the money he spent...Converting his Ninja Motor Bike into an Electric one...PLUS restoring it to a brand new look...sandblasted/painted frame from scratch...new suspension, new upholstery, new paint job, etc,etc.
Now, the point am getting at:
This Guy uses this Motor below (Shown at the end video all spec's and equipment utilized)...and yes, I already researched all this work..:
Motor AMD 6.7" #A00-4009 36-72VDC 6HP Single Shaft
See the cost?...over $850.00 Legal Tender Notes...and guess what?...it don't even have Permanent Magnet Stators!...but S1-S2 Input that means Stator 1, Stator 2 Connect...this is a Golf Cart and small utility vehicle Motor.
Saw the Spec's?
Fastest it would go is 2300 RPM's at 80 AMPS CONTINUOUS DRAW...
Don't You think this kind of "GO AND GET IT DONE" Guy would buy a 276.00 USD PM Imperial Kit...and rewind it in order to make drastic and radical improvement to that beautiful Bike?!
Don't You think He will buy Supercaps Cells plus Lithium Batteries and BMS...and the "Works"?
Of course He will...there is absolutely no doubt he will go for it...
And this type of Guys is what I need here....and You know how many Electrical Converting Guys Channels are... like this guy, in You Tube?...check them out my friend...thousands of thousands.
And, this is the "Audience" I need here...or elsewhere.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Endless-sphere.com • Index page.
And
DIY Electric Car Forums - Electric Vehicle Build and Conversion Community
These two forums should cover the majority of the EV conversions members on YouTube.
All the big timers are there also:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LvkV4iJrE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CgAF0Dd10
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpHrCaglYbo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0TNk5gLbU
All EV Clubs; Tesla, Porsche, VW, Drag racing,
Lightening Motorcycle
EV West
Lawless
Big Daddy @200mph
Zero
Electric vehicle magazines & congresses
Me
And a lot more...
All the money, builders and connections you could ever need are there... Sign in. Then, kick some asses & take names, my friend. You have a New Technology, they will all levitate to you,
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MidazLast edited by Midaztouch; 08-15-2014, 03:20 AM.
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Originally posted by Ufopolitics View PostHey Wantomake,
Thanks for sharing this pic's and work my friend.
I also have two Groups grounded...and one of them is number 1... ...You could run it...and it would be fun cause you get some weird output off ground...and very sharp and high currents...and the interesting thing is...you could add it (ground body signal) to either Positive or Negative Output wires, and it will read V & A and lite up incandescent bulbs...or else.
It will run ok with some ground coils...but remember...have to be fixed up cause they are grounding some of the Total output power-energy...plus Motor Torque and speed.
Regards and yes, take it for a spin and film it....would like to hear it roar.
Ufopolitics
I forgot something VERY IMPORTANT!
Make sure to measure your resistance between each Comm. Element that is grounded !
It MUST HAVE SAME RESISTANCE As the rest or more.
Never a ZERO Value
Ok
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Originally posted by wantomake View PostHey Ufo,
Here are pics of the old generator so far.
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Turned out good, but using 18 awg wire had to really move the wire around a lot. So found four coils that are grounded to armature. So will this affect the performance of the device? I will have all 8 brushes independent and not grounded to case. If I must rewind with smaller wire I WILL cause I've struggled with this for some time. Not as much as you, I know. But I want to use this to keep my solar banks charged. Then build the Imperial to propel a small EV. Then maybe a scooter or who knows after that.
I share these visions here with you cause you care about this home we live on.
wantomake
Hey Wantomake,
Thanks for sharing this pic's and work my friend.
I also have two Groups grounded...and one of them is number 1... ...You could run it...and it would be fun cause you get some weird output off ground...and very sharp and high currents...and the interesting thing is...you could add it (ground body signal) to either Positive or Negative Output wires, and it will read V & A and lite up incandescent bulbs...or else.
It will run ok with some ground coils...but remember...have to be fixed up cause they are grounding some of the Total output power-energy...plus Motor Torque and speed.
Regards and yes, take it for a spin and film it....would like to hear it roar.
Ufopolitics
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Hey Ufo,
Here are pics of the old generator so far.
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Turned out good, but using 18 awg wire had to really move the wire around a lot. So found four coils that are grounded to armature. So will this affect the performance of the device? I will have all 8 brushes independent and not grounded to case. If I must rewind with smaller wire I WILL cause I've struggled with this for some time. Not as much as you, I know. But I want to use this to keep my solar banks charged. Then build the Imperial to propel a small EV. Then maybe a scooter or who knows after that.
I share these visions here with you cause you care about this home we live on.
wantomake
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Originally posted by Midaztouch View PostUFO,
What happens if we use 1 input and 1 output set at 180°, total of 4 brushes? Since its a 4 stator, wouldn't the output be 100% isolated!?
The "Isolation" in this kind of Machines between coils or groups works even at 10º apart from each others, and I am referring to ELECTRICAL Isolation...when we speak about "Magnetic Isolation", it is just impossible for an ENCLOSED Machine Rotor, within Four Magnetic Stators interacting between each others through their magnetic Spatial fields...to be Magnetically Isolated.
We could Input through One (1) Gate only, then collect through the other three, and of course, the output would be higher if we do that...BUT, We would be sacrificing Torque and Speed (Remember in this Machines both parameters work "Directly Proportional").
A much better "Mechanically Balanced" Machine, would be if We use Motor -Input- Gates apart at equal distances from each others, meaning at 180º.
Would the output assist rotation/regenerative acceleration?
Could you pulse the input with a simple 555 PWM and still capture energy from the output?
But one thing that we must realize is that "Naturally" this Machines Output Pulsed DC, and the higher the speed it will become like a Ripple Effect, since the OFF Times would be reduced to minimal fractions of time...Therefore, a GOOD SYNC between the Electronic Pulsing Controller AND the operating speed/machine pulses out, should be established for a more robust Output Signal.
... I asked these questions because they pertain to the Mag-3
MAG3 uses Three Input Gates at 120º apart, to obtain Full Mechanical Balance.
The current set up with the eight brush system, is it possible for you to explain how our system works -vs- regenerative braking?
Our Machines do not need to stop Motor Action in order to keep regenerating our Source(s).
Weight saving,
energy storage, range,
The All North Machines uses much less amp draw than any other Machine available as of now, this expands the running times based on Amps/Hour Rating of Battery Supply....And at the same token, this allow Us to use much smaller Battery Banks than ordinary EV carry normally...reducing weight plus allowing for "Secondary Alternative Banks that could be recharged while we keep operating Motor...(We are driving)
pros, cons, etc.... If possible, I would like for us to key in on this topic for overall system performance info... For example, regenerative braking is over 90% dead weight on the highway; heavy, extra complicated electronics, wiring, generator, capacitor battery pack, cooling system, etc...
Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz
We need MORE REPLICATIONS to be shown HERE...where they demonstrate all I have said, written and shown on my Videos is completely REAL.
THEN, We need to move this already tested Machines in Lab Bench to the WORKING PROTOTYPES...like Scooters, Bicycles, Motorcycles...or even Golf Cars...or small EV Applications...even building small R/C Crafts would be fine...proving Air Time tests...versus other ones...etc,etc.
ONLY THEN...We could discuss for real results about all our Machines advantages.
I hate JUST Theory Man!...it is just smoke, air...I LIKE FACTS, REAL TESTS, REAL VIDEOS, REAL MODELS, REAL APPLICATIONS without that much Theorizing...and bla,bla,bla...it will NOT get Us anywhere.
If I have an Idea...or a modification...I go and get it DONE...ONLY THEN, I know if it works or not.
Screw Mathematical Theories...Equations and Laws...TO ME, REAL TESTING proves MUCH beyond anything else.
Hope this post get your questionnaire answered completely...
Now, I will give you a very simple example...
Take a look at the Video below...
NINJA CONVERSION INTO ELECTRIC
it is only a FIVE MINUTE AND FIFTEEN SECONDS VIDEO (05:15)...and in that very small amount of time...this guy shows all the work He did, plus ALL the money he spent...Converting his Ninja Motor Bike into an Electric one...PLUS restoring it to a brand new look...sandblasted/painted frame from scratch...new suspension, new upholstery, new paint job, etc,etc.
Now, the point am getting at:
This Guy uses this Motor below (Shown at the end video all spec's and equipment utilized)...and yes, I already researched all this work..:
Motor AMD 6.7" #A00-4009 36-72VDC 6HP Single Shaft
See the cost?...over $850.00 Legal Tender Notes...and guess what?...it don't even have Permanent Magnet Stators!...but S1-S2 Input that means Stator 1, Stator 2 Connect...this is a Golf Cart and small utility vehicle Motor.
Saw the Spec's?
Fastest it would go is 2300 RPM's at 80 AMPS CONTINUOUS DRAW...
Don't You think this kind of "GO AND GET IT DONE" Guy would buy a 276.00 USD PM Imperial Kit...and rewind it in order to make drastic and radical improvement to that beautiful Bike?!
Don't You think He will buy Supercaps Cells plus Lithium Batteries and BMS...and the "Works"?
Of course He will...there is absolutely no doubt he will go for it...
And this type of Guys is what I need here....and You know how many Electrical Converting Guys Channels are... like this guy, in You Tube?...check them out my friend...thousands of thousands.
And, this is the "Audience" I need here...or elsewhere.
Regards
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UFO,
What happens if we use 1 input and 1 output set at 180°, total of 4 brushes? Since its a 4 stator, wouldn't the output be 100% isolated!? Would the output assist rotation/regenerative acceleration? Could you pulse the input with a simple 555 PWM and still capture energy from the output? ... I asked these questions because they pertain to the Mag-3
The current set up with the eight brush system, is it possible for you to explain how our system works -vs- regenerative braking? Weight saving, energy storage, range, pros, cons, etc.... If possible, I would like for us to key in on this topic for overall system performance info... For example, regenerative braking is over 90% dead weight on the highway; heavy, extra complicated electronics, wiring, generator, capacitor battery pack, cooling system, etc...
Keep it Clean and Green
MidazLast edited by Midaztouch; 08-14-2014, 07:48 AM.
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Generation Lines Of Force...
Originally posted by Midaztouch View PostUFO
Ok, the gen brushes being set directly after the motor brushes didn't work..... Was the results the same, if/when you reverse the Gen brushes setting to directly INFRONT of the motor brushes?
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Midaz
The Gen Brushes were set 'before' (not after) the coming Motor Brushes...I was allowing a wider angle to sweep -after the first Brushes 'M1'- plus 'supposedly' gain more...but nope...and let's take a look at both Diagrams below:
Notice that at 90º Brushes G1 and G1', are sweeping the "Perfect Momentum" or the PEAK...between lines of force from North to South Stators and Coil Groups G5-G6 and G13-G14 at 180º.
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Now take a look at the way I proposed and tried above...
It don't work, simply because the Coils at contact are completely OFF the Magnetic Field Lines of Force Peak Angle (not cutting them) but already passed them.
And We must realize this is seen in TOP VIEW, but in reality this lines of force configure a complete "Half Cylinder" between both Stators, so all Vertical wires at Groups are cutting them.
This is just one side to see this...but there is more...The previously Energized Coil-Groups at Motor Brushes have been disconnected, so their magnetic fields start to collapse...and when passing by, this lines of force they "re-strengthen", rising potential...and this the EXACT POINT where We want to collect Energy...after this 90º plane of brushes, they start collapsing again...suffering another decay...a secondary decay.
I already re-set brushes back to 90º and yes, they are outputting exactly same higher peak voltages...meaning, when I input 12.2 Volts, I get from each around 9.56-9.65 Volts, so, in series they output over 20 Volts...and that is the ratio we will get out...and of course, magnifying the Input will increase Output.
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With the Brushes set at around 150º (actually and exactly 149º) away from M1...I was collecting only 4.5 Volts...and that was the "Residual", left over Potential after passing through the Peak Lines...reason why, at next Motor Stage we will NOT need the full 12Volts Input...so, we do need this residual traveling back to motor brushes.
I also tried adding a load (incandescent bulb) and nope, it does not accelerate...but decay in speed is greater than at 90º...which is actually minimal.
And like I said before..."there is still more"...if we look at the Motor side Lines of Force from the other two Stators (not seen on diagrams above) from North to South, we will notice they are cutting the "other half" of coils when collecting from 150º Brushes, in the Opposite Direction...and that would cancel/subtract the coming flow in generation...
I wanted to do this test, to learn more about this Machines possibilities...is part of research and development, my friend...
At the same token, I realized we should not "suck dry" this Coils before getting to the next Motor Stage...as this would create more drawing of juices (amps) to re-start from zero, filling them up in every turn...not good.
Regards
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UFO
Ok, the gen brushes being set directly after the motor brushes didn't work..... Was the results the same, if/when you reverse the Gen brushes setting to directly INFRONT of the motor brushes?
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Not Good!!
Originally posted by Ufopolitics View PostHello to All,
Ok, like I mentioned before, I believe that if we play with the Generating Brushes in this type of Machines We could get better results ...(and all of this is just "Theory" up to now, cause I have NOT done it yet...BUT, I will for sure next week)
1-First, let's analyze the way Generator Brushes comes from Symmetric Factory (ORIGINAL SET UP:G1)...(And Model shown is a 16 Pole , just like the one Laserjo have modified):
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Ok, so I have defined G1 and G1' as the way they come from factory, meaning at 90º related to Motor Brushes...
And if we take a closer look at the Coil Groups they will be "sucking" Energy from,... are G5-G6 on one side and at 180º apart, from G13-G14.
Now, we must realize this Coil Groups are ALWAYS NORTH...even when collapsing, they are collapsing North Coils...meaning Weaker Norths than the ones that are being energized like G1-G2 & G9-G10...so what happens when we apply a load to Generator?...even a Battery to be charged and even connecting Gen Coils in SERIES?
When We apply a Load we get a similar, not too strong as a typical Symmetric Generator...but we do still get a reduction of RPM's...plus an increase in Amp Draw at Input (I am getting from 4.0 increase to 8.0 amps approx)...in order to disburse more amps at Output.
I believe when we short this Generating Coils with any load, they become "STRONGER" NORTHS than when collapsing without shorting them by loads.
And If You look again at the POSITIONS of G5-G6 & G13-G14, related to the FOUR STATORS...and make them Energized Norths...You will realize they are counter rotating the normal rotation R ...Meaning, OPPOSING to R...they are being pulled backwards by South Stators attraction...and ALSO, being repelled by Norths Stators...on both sides.
If They would energize South with Load on...Motor RPM's should increase...or acceleration under load, like we observed on previous smaller five poles.
Now here is the proposal I want to test:
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I will move GEN Brushes like seen above with G2 and G2'...according to Rotation R, from where they were originally...and as close as I could, towards Input Brushes, as shown above.
Now, if You guys notice...We are pulling from G8 and G16 at other end...now make them stronger North...and then see what happens?
Two out of three of those Groups Coils are passing North Stator Bisectors...PLUS getting closer to South Bisectors...right?...right.
NOW, One main thing to have in mind is that We can NOT allow contact simultaneously between Motor Brush contacting SAME Commutator Element as Generator Brushes...SO, this would be our LIMITS when bringing them closer to each others.
Now, I have rotated Armature, according to Rotation R...in order to see Generator Brushes Touching Two (2) Elements at same time...and seen what happens with Motor Brushes and effects against Stators...in Diagram below:
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We see that still, IF BOTH Generating Coils enhance, strengthen North Polarity by loading them...is still perfectly assisting rotation.
Now, on a SECOND NOTE: By moving, displacing Generator Brushes this way, we will be allowing all Coil Groups to SWEEP A MUCH WIDER ANGLE through Stators...meaning, they will charge/induce more this way.
All this is Theory -so far- until proven otherwise......and like I said before...only making it happen We will all know if it works or not.
Regards to All
Ufopolitics
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to post this before any of you do this Brush widening Angle...
IT DOES NOT WORK!!
I only did One Brush Matching Pair, altering the sweeping angle, so I could compare with the other one still at 90º...and nope, it don't work, I am getting through the 90º over 9.0V and the one I altered is outputting only 4.5 to 5 Volts, with 12V Battery Source...and the reading is coming out negative!?...so NOT GOOD.
I will upload video later on...a short one to show results and how I did it...
Again DO NOT DO THIS BRUSH RE-SETTING, IT DOES NOT WORK!!
Regards
UfopoliticsLast edited by Ufopolitics; 08-12-2014, 03:21 PM.
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