My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Cornboy 555]

Very well spoken DANA, and MIDAS, Thanks, you guys rock.

UFO, can you please be just 2 steps ahead instead of three, you're making me dizzy.

Warmest regards everyone, Cornboy.

[Midaztouch]

A1 Mo-Gen can:

1.) light lights

2.) store energy in capacitor banks

3.) have a mechanical load

At The Same Time!
At The Same Time!
At The Same Time!

This is what we are saying here. Now, you tell me what other system can give you this type of freedom of performance!? This is the real question that you must ask yourself.

Dadhav, what motor can you find that has these 3 attributes listed above?
You know that the A1 Mo-Gen will fly your RC Plane with lights in the dark. You can tap into the capacitor bank reservoirs to power servos that will give you retractable landing gear and doors that open and close for the confetti drop. Filming the whole celebration from the comforts of you living room while feeding your cute dog treats on your lap!lol

When we get into the four stators and above we will enhance the big 3 listed above...at the same time! It's light weight and no need for any cooling system! This is the real deal, the truth! Don't worry about the amps, the 4 stators and above will more than make up the difference. This is military grade technology! Lockheed Martin, Boeing, UAL, Pratt & Whitney, Space X, Mercedes, Honda etc.. all those big names have nothing on this technology... NOTHING!

You guys are so hung up on Over Unity, OU. You forgot about the most important thing, Overall System Performance, OSP!

It's clear for everyone to see. Let's work together and push this technology to the limits!

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[DadHav]

Hello John,

First, on interpreting the Video you are right on some points, and on some you are not right...why?, just because you may have not watched the Three Previous Videos on this Run, mainly the THIRD VIDEO...where I show the connections I am using...and it is down below:

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But in general terms I believe the Last Video Test is a very simple demonstration...and we could complicate it if we wanted to...by analyzing Batteries Capacities and random behaviors... or Super Caps Capacities of discharge through Time...I really do not want to get into that Analysis at this point.

The Video is simple, and the Time it takes to show Caps Loaded does not matter, (I see you are starting measuring 22 seconds) as a matter of fact I could have it ON for One Nano Second, as long they show how much power they have gained...that is enough for me.

The Discharge Capacity of every Cap over time is different, according to their Capacitance Values, plus the way we hook them...We all know that...but, the main point I am demonstrating here is not the Capacitive Discharge over Time...but How much the Caps ended up as Power/Energy Density is concerned.

And I will go based on The First Frame Reading for Both Batteries and Capacitors...the Decay Curves over Time of Both, I really do not want to discuss here, or on my video, because that is not the point, however, I will do show them, like I have loaded the sequenced pictures/frames here as well...

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The Supercaps (First Reading) ended up with 4.16 Volts at 1.20 Amps, and that is 4.99 Watts...rounding it up to 5.0 Watts...as shown on Picture above.

1-On another observation, it is easy to notice the amount of Light emitted from the same Bulb above, by the Four Caps in Series compared to Initial and End Batteries emitted light, also connected in Series...

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2-Total Time it took Machine to charge Super Caps was around Eleven (11) Minutes...and I am building the Time Graph on this in more detail.

3-On another very Important "Judgement Call" if We may call it that way...If We are to be fair measuring this Energy Input-Output...We should go by: "Total Energy Wasted to Generate the Total Energy Achieved"...and Not the Full Input...that did not go anywhere...is there...right?

4-We also need to consider...We are disregarding completely our Mechanical Output on this Test.


John, I know how to Scale Up this whole Test...using bigger Capacitive Banks, that would take much longer to discharge...bigger Poles/Coils Machines with independent In/Out Gates, that would take lesser time and more energy density to put out...and of course, bigger Battery Banks...but the point with this test is to observe/establish the Differences between Starting Power and Generated Power.

Other words, Input Wattage versus Output Wattage in order to calculate "Unity" if Under or Above, COP, and Efficiency. Therefore, I don't see any sense to be analyzing how many Milli Amps or Milli Volts were lost here or there, when we have both parameters...or V and A(V,I)...therefore, a more General and Complete Parameter that represents Fully Energy and Power...meaning Watts.

Now, my question to you is simple:

Do You see Over Unity on this System as demonstrated on this Video, based on Input Watts versus Output Watts of the whole System...No matter if it was for One Minute or Two Seconds...?

I believe the question is simple, so a simple answer will do.




Ufopolitics

I know by now UFO you are a very clever man with words. OU for a minute or a few seconds is not a viable question because saying you have it for a second is an admission that means absolutely nothing because you can draw as much current as you want for seconds. I'm sorry to say as much as I want to see over unity I do not from your video. I did see some of your earlier drawings and videos but I was waiting for something a little more gathered up like this one. You don't like to complicate things, you say, but I think people will see what I do. You have a machine that uses an unspecified amount of wattage to charge an energy bank whether that be a capacitor battery or anything else no matter what the connections are. You have a motor running that could mean something but not likely if the current draw goes way up with mechanical loading. Still yet untested. In it's most basic form you used some amount of energy in one place and stored it in another. If you have over 200 percent over unity that means to me that you have stored twice the amount of energy in a reserve place than what it took to get it there. Is this a wrong analogy? If you knew the amount of energy it took to run the motor for the experiment then you should be able to run the motor for twice that amount using what you stored in the capacitors or at least a load that can use the reserve bank to depletion no? You have not showed anything close to that scenario. Your test is more like measuring a higher voltage over a generator coil that is in series with the motor coil. Measuring a higher voltage on the output Whether it be in operation or stored doesn't mean OU. In this case you briefly added an amp reading for the convenience of figuring wattage which can be impressive but means nothing if it can not be sustained long enough to estimate the total amount of energy you have available in the cap bank. Of course this is my opinion and you asked for it. I could be wrong and will admit to it when I see a test that is convincing to me. Let me tell you about a test I just did. I took two AA low self discharge batteries off the shelf and checked the voltage. Their resting voltage in series was 2.616 v. I took two 270 farad hybrid super caps and carefully discharged them to 0 volts. OK you and I know they will recover slightly almost no matter what you do but I put them parallel on my proto board and connected the battery pack directly to them. It took about 15 minutes for the caps to come to about 2.3 volts. I let the caps and batteries set for short time then lit a small 12 volt bulb like you see in my experiments. The battery pack which was at 2.588 volts and still rising showed very little decrease in voltage (millivolts) after charging the caps then sitting for a short time. With the bulb connected to the pack my voltage dropped to 2.576 volts and bulb was using .015 amps. (.0386 watts) I then connected the capacitors in series and connected the 12 volt bulb. The bulb was noticeably brighter than what it was on the batteries. The voltage on the cap bank was 4.394 volts and the current draw was .021 amps. (.092 watts) Ok .092 divided by .0386 equals 2.383 or over 200 percent efficient. Ok now I ask you, did I prove overunity tonight whether it be for a second, minute or hour? I think not. I always wait for the day when someone will take an unmodified motor and compare it to a modification in a way that even the most uneducated person can understand. I don't care if it's a model or a scooter or car but how about one beside the other and which one will go further down the road. Not a meter of calculation even needed.
I think I might be getting in trouble again but best regards.
John

[Ufopolitics]

The Glasses of Water Example...

Like Dana wrote before...on the Glasses of Water...

Yes, I started with 1/2 Glass empty...and I filled 4 Glasses of bigger Capacity with water.

Let's say the Four Glass Containers were steaming red hot due to Super High Temperatures, and the water vaporized in minutes into the Air...

Can We all say... We never had those Four Glasses Full of Water at any point?

Of course We did...and We all saw them full of water.

Take care all


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Well UFO

Hello Machine, long time friend!

If this is the question you posed,

Do You see Over Unity on this System as demonstrated on this Video, based on Input Watts versus Output Watts of the whole System...No matter if it was for One Minute or Two Seconds...?

Then this is something that does make a difference!

Of course!, We are using Volts and Amps, in order to reach a more complete parameter, when comprehending Energy...Watts.
Now, the fact that the Caps discharge the Energy already inputted to them at shorter periods of time versus the way batteries do...that is not the point to be discussed here.

Besides I have chosen -for both- a very High Load like this 12V/30 Amps Bulb, it is understood it will discharge BOTH very rapidly...let's add a High LED or a lower capacity bulb as Batteries rated...and see how many hours it takes to come to a stop...

But in general terms I believe the Last Video Test is a very simple demonstration...and we could complicate it if we wanted to...by analyzing Batteries Capacities and random behaviors... or Super Caps Capacities of discharge through Time...I really do not want to get into that Analysis at this point.

That's is Johns point! I mean, if you ask the question you asked, then that information is needed!

On Video end, as everyone observed, I did not do a long term test to drain caps and batteries till they die with the bulb, just because that was NOT the point to observe...

If I wanted to do that "specific test", I would have gotten a bigger paralleled Cap Banks...and Bigger Machines, and longer capacity Ah Batteries...

And



That's is Johns point! I mean, if you ask the question you asked, then that information is needed!

Right!

Machine

Overunity does NOT have Time as a Parameter to be Calculated.
COP does NOT have Time as a Parameter to be considered when Division takes place.
Efficiency does NOT have Time as a Parameter to be considered in any of the above Math Equations...just percentageX100

So, why Do we need to enter into Time here?

And what is your point Machine?


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

Well UFO

If this is the question you posed,

Do You see Over Unity on this System as demonstrated on this Video, based on Input Watts versus Output Watts of the whole System...No matter if it was for One Minute or Two Seconds...?

Then this is something that does make a difference!

But in general terms I believe the Last Video Test is a very simple demonstration...and we could complicate it if we wanted to...by analyzing Batteries Capacities and random behaviors... or Super Caps Capacities of discharge through Time...I really do not want to get into that Analysis at this point.

That's is Johns point! I mean, if you ask the question you asked, then that information is needed!

And

3-On another very Important "Judgement Call" if We may call it that way...If We are to be fair measuring this Energy Input-Output...We should go by: "Total Energy Wasted to Generate the Total Energy Achieved"...and Not the Full Input...that did not go anywhere...is there...right?

That's is Johns point! I mean, if you ask the question you asked, then that information is needed!

Right!

Machine

[Ufopolitics]

UFO / All.
Let's make sure I interpreted the video correctly.
1 Clamp a load across the series capacitors to make sure they are discharged.
2 Meter checks on the cap banks show they will present a major load to the generator side of the motor at start up.
3 Bulb connected to the two AA size batteries draws 900 ma.
4 The capacitors are connected to the generator side of the machine.
5 The voltage of the batteries before start is about 1.34 v.
6 Batteries drop to about 1.1 v as motor and charging starts.
7 It appeared the machine needed to get a partial charge on one cap bank before both could be in the circuit without the motor stalling.
8 At the end of the charge cycle the batteries are about 1.27 volt and recovering when disconnected.
9 Setup was taken down and the caps put in series. The caps measure 4.21 volts.
10 Bulb is connected as a load at 25:18 in the video.
11 First reading is 4.13 volts and 1.16 amps
12 At 25:40 the reading dropped to 3.86 v and 1.1 amps (22 second test)
13 The two AA batteries were connected in series to the bulb again and used 930 ma @ 2.49 volts on the battery pack.

Everyone must realize by now that batteries can be very deceptive. I have done many experiments where my LAB's have rested to a higher voltage than where I started before a discharge test. I have never had one that had more capacity than when I started though. Isn't that what's important. How do you test that? I've rarely see anyone do it. If I have two AA batteries that went down a few millivolts through a test how do I know how much capacity is left in them? or how much was used? If I discharge a capacitor for a few seconds how much is left in it? How much did I really use?
OK anyway if everyone here is satisfied with the tests in the video that's fine with me. I can keep watching to see what happens, but in the back of my mind I wonder this: If I first took my two AA batteries and put them on my R/C charger I could cycle them 5 times and write down the results which would show the accurate capacity of the batteries which might be 2200 ma. Keeping that in mind I reference the capacitors. The discharge was for only 22 seconds and although the few seconds under discharge was high in watts it doesn't mean the caps had more energy or capacity stored in them than what was used from the battery that charged the caps. Does it? Lets say I put a 30 amp fuse right across the bank of capacitors and the fuse blows. That means I had over 100 watts for however long the fuse lasted. How about a capacitor discharged into a strobe? Maybe I'm wrong. I guess what I would have to do to satisfy myself would be to put the batteries back on the computer charger and discharge them to back to .9 volts a cell like done in the conditioning test then discharge the capacitors back down to 0 volts where the charge started from and compare the total mah or total capacity of each discharge. I'm not sure if this would work but most people have a wattmeter like is used for the R/C hobby. I think to test down to 0 volts you need a separate battery to run the wattmeter though. I'm not saying you should drop everything and test something the way I might do it. If everyone is satisfied I think that's fine. I'm just saying I think you might hear something similar to what I'm saying from some of the other guys you invited. I'm not even sure if you couldn't duplicate the experiment in some other ways with a number of different setups. I hope you don't mistake this post as something spiteful it's not meant to be. I just don't think you have all your bases covered well enough with the first video.
John
PS. Oh man that water glass thing reminds me of all the trouble I got in on one of the other forums about charging 4 for 1.

Hello John,

First, on interpreting the Video you are right on some points, and on some you are not right...why?, just because you may have not watched the Three Previous Videos on this Run, mainly the THIRD VIDEO...where I show the connections I am using...and it is down below:

[IMG][/IMG]

But in general terms I believe the Last Video Test is a very simple demonstration...and we could complicate it if we wanted to...by analyzing Batteries Capacities and random behaviors... or Super Caps Capacities of discharge through Time...I really do not want to get into that Analysis at this point.

The Video is simple, and the Time it takes to show Caps Loaded does not matter, (I see you are starting measuring 22 seconds) as a matter of fact I could have it ON for One Nano Second, as long they show how much power they have gained...that is enough for me.

The Discharge Capacity of every Cap over time is different, according to their Capacitance Values, plus the way we hook them...We all know that...but, the main point I am demonstrating here is not the Capacitive Discharge over Time...but How much the Caps ended up as Power/Energy Density is concerned.

And I will go based on The First Frame Reading for Both Batteries and Capacitors...the Decay Curves over Time of Both, I really do not want to discuss here, or on my video, because that is not the point, however, I will do show them, like I have loaded the sequenced pictures/frames here as well...

[IMG][/IMG]

The Supercaps (First Reading) ended up with 4.16 Volts at 1.20 Amps, and that is 4.99 Watts...rounding it up to 5.0 Watts...as shown on Picture above.

1-On another observation, it is easy to notice the amount of Light emitted from the same Bulb above, by the Four Caps in Series compared to Initial and End Batteries emitted light, also connected in Series...

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2-Total Time it took Machine to charge Super Caps was around Eleven (11) Minutes...and I am building the Time Graph on this in more detail.

3-On another very Important "Judgement Call" if We may call it that way...If We are to be fair measuring this Energy Input-Output...We should go by: "Total Energy Wasted to Generate the Total Energy Achieved"...and Not the Full Input...that did not go anywhere...is there...right?

4-We also need to consider...We are disregarding completely our Mechanical Output on this Test.


John, I know how to Scale Up this whole Test...using bigger Capacitive Banks, that would take much longer to discharge...bigger Poles/Coils Machines with independent In/Out Gates, that would take lesser time and more energy density to put out...and of course, bigger Battery Banks...but the point with this test is to observe/establish the Differences between Starting Power and Generated Power.

Other words, Input Wattage versus Output Wattage in order to calculate "Unity" if Under or Above, COP, and Efficiency. Therefore, I don't see any sense to be analyzing how many Milli Amps or Milli Volts were lost here or there, when we have both parameters...or V and A(V,I)...therefore, a more General and Complete Parameter that represents Fully Energy and Power...meaning Watts.

Now, my question to you is simple:

Do You see Over Unity on this System as demonstrated on this Video, based on Input Watts versus Output Watts of the whole System...No matter if it was for One Minute or Two Seconds...?

I believe the question is simple, so a simple answer will do.




Ufopolitics

[DadHav]

Be familiar with your stuff

Hello, I have a small obligation then I'll be back in an hour for a chat. I'm selling most of my fast flying planes because of my eyes going bad but I still have hopes of flying the confetti airplane in celebration. Thanks for the kind invite, it will be fun to see what kind of conversation we can have. I hope to be able to get along with everyone.
John

UFO / All.
Let's make sure I interpreted the video correctly.
1 Clamp a load across the series capacitors to make sure they are discharged.
2 Meter checks on the cap banks show they will present a major load to the generator side of the motor at start up.
3 Bulb connected to the two AA size batteries draws 900 ma.
4 The capacitors are connected to the generator side of the machine.
5 The voltage of the batteries before start is about 1.34 v.
6 Batteries drop to about 1.1 v as motor and charging starts.
7 It appeared the machine needed to get a partial charge on one cap bank before both could be in the circuit without the motor stalling.
8 At the end of the charge cycle the batteries are about 1.27 volt and recovering when disconnected.
9 Setup was taken down and the caps put in series. The caps measure 4.21 volts.
10 Bulb is connected as a load at 25:18 in the video.
11 First reading is 4.13 volts and 1.16 amps
12 At 25:40 the reading dropped to 3.86 v and 1.1 amps (22 second test)
13 The two AA batteries were connected in series to the bulb again and used 930 ma @ 2.49 volts on the battery pack.

Everyone must realize by now that batteries can be very deceptive. I have done many experiments where my LAB's have rested to a higher voltage than where I started before a discharge test. I have never had one that had more capacity than when I started though. Isn't that what's important. How do you test that? I've rarely see anyone do it. If I have two AA batteries that went down a few millivolts through a test how do I know how much capacity is left in them? or how much was used? If I discharge a capacitor for a few seconds how much is left in it? How much did I really use?
OK anyway if everyone here is satisfied with the tests in the video that's fine with me. I can keep watching to see what happens, but in the back of my mind I wonder this: If I first took my two AA batteries and put them on my R/C charger I could cycle them 5 times and write down the results which would show the accurate capacity of the batteries which might be 2200 ma. Keeping that in mind I reference the capacitors. The discharge was for only 22 seconds and although the few seconds under discharge was high in watts it doesn't mean the caps had more energy or capacity stored in them than what was used from the battery that charged the caps. Does it? Lets say I put a 30 amp fuse right across the bank of capacitors and the fuse blows. That means I had over 100 watts for however long the fuse lasted. How about a capacitor discharged into a strobe? Maybe I'm wrong. I guess what I would have to do to satisfy myself would be to put the batteries back on the computer charger and discharge them to back to .9 volts a cell like done in the conditioning test then discharge the capacitors back down to 0 volts where the charge started from and compare the total mah or total capacity of each discharge. I'm not sure if this would work but most people have a wattmeter like is used for the R/C hobby. I think to test down to 0 volts you need a separate battery to run the wattmeter though. I'm not saying you should drop everything and test something the way I might do it. If everyone is satisfied I think that's fine. I'm just saying I think you might hear something similar to what I'm saying from some of the other guys you invited. I'm not even sure if you couldn't duplicate the experiment in some other ways with a number of different setups. I hope you don't mistake this post as something spiteful it's not meant to be. I just don't think you have all your bases covered well enough with the first video.
John
PS. Oh man that water glass thing reminds me of all the trouble I got in on one of the other forums about charging 4 for 1.

[DadHav]

Absolutely John, by all means, be our first and Guest!

Go for it...I am all eyes...

P.D: please do not forget to bring the RC Plane full of confetti, like You promised...


Ufopolitics

Hello, I have a small obligation then I'll be back in an hour for a chat. I'm selling most of my fast flying planes because of my eyes going bad but I still have hopes of flying the confetti airplane in celebration. Thanks for the kind invite, it will be fun to see what kind of conversation we can have. I hope to be able to get along with everyone.
John

[Ufopolitics]

Absolutely John

Feel free to tell me if am wrong here, like I mentioned on video.

And I am Opening Doors to Anyone who wants to give their Opinions here in the OPEN (NO PM's)...and absolutely, that includes Farmhand and dR NoGreen...

I promise I will not get Harsh...


Regards to All




Hello UFO. Just out of curiosity does your invitation extend to me as well?
John

Absolutely John, by all means, be our first and Guest!

Go for it...I am all eyes...

P.D: please do not forget to bring the RC Plane full of confetti, like You promised...


Ufopolitics

[DadHav]

Feel free to tell me if am wrong here, like I mentioned on video.

And I am Opening Doors to Anyone who wants to give their Opinions here in the OPEN (NO PM's)...and absolutely, that includes Farmhand and dR NoGreen...

I promise I will not get Harsh...


Regards to All




Hello UFO. Just out of curiosity does your invitation extend to me as well?
John

[Midaztouch]

@ All

As you can all see, the A1 Mo-Gen does exactly what was said, it will do.

This is the future of home generators and Electric vehicles. In the future, we will need sponsors/help to continue expanding to bigger and more ambitious projects; full sized vehicle, home adaption unit, etc....

If you would like to help and/or have ideas. Please get in touch with me. Every little bit counts.

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[Ufopolitics]

Batteries End Frames Timed Sequence...

Ok Guys...

Here is a Video Frame/Time Sequence of Batteries Ending Power Measurements

"They say that Extreme Claims requires Extreme proof, Extreme Evidence"...so here we go...

FRAME 1:

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FRAME 2:

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FRAME 3:

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FRAME 6:

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Let me bring the STARTING BATTERY POWER FRAME...to compare easier within same post...

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We all could see Batteries are "gaining" power (Watts) ABOVE Starting Power as Time Frames Sequence develop...therefore, We could conclude saying Batteries went above starting power.

This Frames Stills are intended to be "BLEND" through Opacity cross fade curves in the Master Video...and so Text with Values...



Regards to All



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

This is so funny Dana...

UFO
Now you have gone and done it. You have let our little secret out of the bag in the most simple of terms. But for those who may still be thick headed, let me state another simple analogy.
We start with 1/2 glass of water and four empty glasses. We end with 1/2 full glass and four full glasses of water.

¿Where did This 4 Glasses came from?

Dana

Dana,

This is so funny...that was EXACTLY the way I have explained to my Wife and to my Son...in general terms so they could understand me better...glasses of Water...


Kind Regards Dear Friend


Ufopolitics

[prochiro]

UFO
Now you have gone and done it. You have let our little secret out of the bag in the most simple of terms. But for those who may still be thick headed, let me state another simple analogy.
We start with 1/2 glass of water and four empty glasses. We end with 1/2 full glass and four full glasses of water.

¿Where did This 4 Glasses came from?

Dana