My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Ufopolitics]

My Dear Friend...

This has been a nemesis to me for so many years...
Unless the board it is mounted on has a hidden metal plate or something, this has been one of the most challenging pictures my training has had to deal with. If you look you can see in the picture that the light and the motor are parallel, and that the end in such a way in a coil as to NOT close the loop! The light cannot be on and the motor cannot spin....They Can't! but the picture shows otherwise....
Imageaniel Pomerlou coils bulb side.jpg - PESWiki

Tesla had this to say (This is posted on one of JB's web sites).....

Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts
concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found
in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of
"closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was
definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was
imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of
current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made
succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He
found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor
between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to
the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo
windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought
the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had
already realized the significance of this unexpected effect.

We know that Ed leedskalnin talked about the magnets leaving and going out into space....

On the Ferris Wheel forum We discovered that machine was connected to the sixteen streams emanating from the sun....

http://www.energeticforum.com/118434-post100.html

If we are going to see these motors on a single no closed loop circuit....
this is going to be really twisting some thinking.....yup, I am crazy!


so I think you really have something here UFO, But I am in no way going to say I understand this.

Les

Hello Dear Les,

What I am showing here, with physical existing models...proves many other great Scientists Theories that were mutilated from further Study...

As you have posted, and I will Quote below, Tesla's words...

Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had already realized the significance of this unexpected effect.

Dear friend, as I have underlined and set in Red beatifully displayed Nikola Tesla's words...please note the absolutely NOT REVERSAL OF CURRENTS, stated, otherwise the "EFFECT WILL NOT OCCUR"...Why Do You Think this is extremely required?...The answer is so simple...but looking at the Magnetic Field effect that this, Non Permissible Fact , will bring along...The Reversal of the Magnetic Fields, yes, as simple as that...
Now if We go back and look at Symmetry, no matter what kind of "BREED" related to Electrodynamic Machines refers...just CITE ONE SINGLE MACHINE....that does NOT REVERSE THEIR COILS CURRENTS?

Dear Friend...You will find exactly NONE...ZERO...NADA, NIENTE...no matter if it involves A/C or D/C...they ALL DO REVERSE MAGNETIC FIELD TO ACHIEVE ROTATION...
Why it could not happen?
Simple...our reversed Electromagnetic Field, FORCED by Symmetrical Machines...will RADICALLY GO "FRONT END COLLISION" AGAINST THIS BEAUTIFUL NATURAL FLOW from Radiant Energy, from Aether, from the Vacuum...just killing it before is even born, and radiated into our systems...However, it is so strong, it stills develops within our Machines like British Singer Sting performs "Spirits in the Machine" song...then we "patch the spirits"...with lousy and non professional CLOWN designs...like the flywheel diodes, the chokes, and the snubber circuits...ideas from patchers of the worst concepts..

Now let's go back in time to only be "fair" to Tesla...He used Spark Gaps...and even electromechanical means to create what we can achieve NOW, with a simple $5.00 USD 555Timer Integrated Circuit...and a couple of MOSFET's...He even inserted specific "isolated contact elements" within the copper commutators, to be switching specific disposed brushes to sweep, those contacts only, to effect his disrupting circuits...then let's all conclude here,that all My considered BEST SCIENTIST EVER, related to ELECTRICITY...and ELECTRODYNAMICS...wanted to achieve by this very primitive methods...was a, now for most everyone here easy to make...SQUARE WAVE...through a Capacitor , a Spark and a disrupted mechanical circuit...


Regards to All


UFO

[gyula]

Hi UFO,

In the first page of this thread you gave a video link to a Bosch motor run by a small battery. Now I wanted to watch it (yes, I am a latecomer, lol) and it has been made Private so I cannot see it.

Can I see it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxZr...ature=youtu.be

Thanks, Gyula

[Ufopolitics]

Dear Wonza,

Hi UFO,

Can I just ask, are these motors capable of self running and if so, have you got a working example or are you working on one? If you haven't what is required to make it possible?

For me at least, that would be the ultimate thing to see

kind regards,
wonza

Dear Wonza,

Yes it is indeed possible to have "self running machines", but not based on our Artificially Originated Magnetic Fields...They will never do it..ever.

We have to conceive another type of Machine to achieve this...a machine that would run MAINLY on Radiant Electromagnetic Field Flux...
What do you think We should do to achieve this?

Simple, Dear Wonza...Now, in order to achieve this...We must weaken our Artificial Magnetic Field...therefore our Artificial Magnetic Flux...then SHE will thrive out, and take over 90% of the Machine...a "Spirit Ran Machine"...

Then We use a minimal input of our Fields...just to keep HER in**...and SHE will flow out of our Machine to ANYWHERE you allow and set HER to be HOSTED IN...then converted to our flow and feedback (charge) our Source Systems...with a minimal part of it...

**There is a "POINT"...after We get HER IN...that we can just disconnect our pulses, Dear Friend...and just keep a very low linear Input to Coils...while SHE is still there and STRONG...


Warm regards


UFO

[Ufopolitics]

Bosch Motor Testing, 750w/ran By Little Batt, 11v

Hi UFO,

In the first page of this thread you gave a video link to a Bosch motor run by a small battery. Now I wanted to watch it (yes, I am a latecomer, lol) and it has been made Private so I cannot see it.

Can I see it? 20090823173537 - YouTube

Thanks, Gyula

Hello Gyula,

Here it is...

20090823173537 - YouTube

Regards


UFO

[redrichie]

UFO@ in answer to the question in first paragraph. A bedini does just that. No reversal of current. I think the stubble field coil did this as well. [ QUOTE=Ufopolitics;202753]Hello Dear Les,

What I am showing here, with physical existing models...proves many other great Scientists Theories that were mutilated from further Study...

As you have posted, and I will Quote below, Tesla's words...



Dear friend, as I have underlined and set in Red beatifully displayed Nikola Tesla's words...please note the absolutely NOT REVERSAL OF CURRENTS, stated, otherwise the "EFFECT WILL NOT OCCUR"...Why Do You Think this is extremely required?...The answer is so simple...but looking at the Magnetic Field effect that this, Non Permissible Fact , will bring along...The Reversal of the Magnetic Fields, yes, as simple as that...
Now if We go back and look at Symmetry, no matter what kind of "BREED" related to Electrodynamic Machines refers...just CITE ONE SINGLE MACHINE....that does NOT REVERSE THEIR COILS CURRENTS?

Dear Friend...You will find exactly NONE...ZERO...NADA, NIENTE...no matter if it involves A/C or D/C...they ALL DO REVERSE MAGNETIC FIELD TO ACHIEVE ROTATION...
Why it could not happen?
Simple...our reversed Electromagnetic Field, FORCED by Symmetrical Machines...will RADICALLY GO "FRONT END COLLISION" AGAINST THIS BEAUTIFUL NATURAL FLOW from Radiant Energy, from Aether, from the Vacuum...just killing it before is even born, and radiated into our systems...However, it is so strong, it stills develops within our Machines like British Singer Sting performs "Spirits in the Machine" song...then we "patch the spirits"...with lousy and non professional CLOWN designs...like the flywheel diodes, the chokes, and the snubber circuits...ideas from patchers of the worst concepts..

Now let's go back in time to only be "fair" to Tesla...He used Spark Gaps...and even electromechanical means to create what we can achieve NOW, with a simple $5.00 USD 555Timer Integrated Circuit...and a couple of MOSFET's...He even inserted specific "isolated contact elements" within the copper commutators, to be switching specific disposed brushes to sweep, those contacts only, to effect his disrupting circuits...then let's all conclude here,that all My considered BEST SCIENTIST EVER, related to ELECTRICITY...and ELECTRODYNAMICS...wanted to achieve by this very primitive methods...was a, now for most everyone here easy to make...SQUARE WAVE...through a Capacitor , a Spark and a disrupted mechanical circuit...


Regards to All


UFO[/QUOTE]

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Redrichie

UFO@ in answer to the question in first paragraph. A bedini does just that. No reversal of current. I think the stubble field coil did this as well. [ QUOTE=Ufopolitics;202753]Hello Dear Les,

What I am showing here, with physical existing models...proves many other great Scientists Theories that were mutilated from further Study...

As you have posted, and I will Quote below, Tesla's words...



Dear friend, as I have underlined and set in Red beatifully displayed Nikola Tesla's words...please note the absolutely NOT REVERSAL OF CURRENTS, stated, otherwise the "EFFECT WILL NOT OCCUR"...Why Do You Think this is extremely required?...The answer is so simple...but looking at the Magnetic Field effect that this, Non Permissible Fact , will bring along...The Reversal of the Magnetic Fields, yes, as simple as that...
Now if We go back and look at Symmetry, no matter what kind of "BREED" related to Electrodynamic Machines refers...just CITE ONE SINGLE MACHINE....that does NOT REVERSE THEIR COILS CURRENTS?

Dear Friend...You will find exactly NONE...ZERO...NADA, NIENTE...no matter if it involves A/C or D/C...they ALL DO REVERSE MAGNETIC FIELD TO ACHIEVE ROTATION...
Why it could not happen?
Simple...our reversed Electromagnetic Field, FORCED by Symmetrical Machines...will RADICALLY GO "FRONT END COLLISION" AGAINST THIS BEAUTIFUL NATURAL FLOW from Radiant Energy, from Aether, from the Vacuum...just killing it before is even born, and radiated into our systems...However, it is so strong, it stills develops within our Machines like British Singer Sting performs "Spirits in the Machine" song...then we "patch the spirits"...with lousy and non professional CLOWN designs...like the flywheel diodes, the chokes, and the snubber circuits...ideas from patchers of the worst concepts..

Now let's go back in time to only be "fair" to Tesla...He used Spark Gaps...and even electromechanical means to create what we can achieve NOW, with a simple $5.00 USD 555Timer Integrated Circuit...and a couple of MOSFET's...He even inserted specific "isolated contact elements" within the copper commutators, to be switching specific disposed brushes to sweep, those contacts only, to effect his disrupting circuits...then let's all conclude here,that all My considered BEST SCIENTIST EVER, related to ELECTRICITY...and ELECTRODYNAMICS...wanted to achieve by this very primitive methods...was a, now for most everyone here easy to make...SQUARE WAVE...through a Capacitor , a Spark and a disrupted mechanical circuit...


Regards to All


UFO

[/QUOTE]


Dear friend,

Does it "not only" Not Reverse the Currents...but Does it also IDLES (DO ABSOLUTELY NADA, NOTHING, LOOSE) without ANY currents going in-out of Coil, IDLING WITH NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER to that ISOLATED COIL ?


...In ANY of your cited examples ?

Regards

UFO

[JohnStone]

By the way John, did you had time to look at the Three Pole Infra Red ??...pls would love your opinion there..
....

Hi Ufo,
Your optical controlled motor (suggestion) looks fine. It resembles your pulsed coil you suggested for test initially. Nevertheless it should be understood as principle for understanding. We were more advanced with the FET circuits pulsing a single coil. Transistors are lousy switches for high currents.

The main concern is the sensor. Yes it can be done with a mirror segemnt but this induces some implications.
A friend of mine did it at an electronic ignition 20 years ago and his engine failed far away from home because the mirror (polished metal) was not even and so tiny inaccurencies modulated the on time uncontrolled. A white painted segment would be more useful. Apart that some dirt may detoriate the function intended. For DIY experiments it wil be OK but not for serious builds for motors in daily use.

As basic primer for BLDC motor control see this application note from Microchip.
Simple sensors use the back emf from the coils as sensor signal for rotor position. Now we know that your motors omit just this signal. Apart that we intend to pulse the drive coils with high voltage.
There is obviously no way - we need to construct position sensors.

As we intend to keep it simple we will obviously not dig into microcontrollers for experimental motors. I assume that we want to focus initially to simple home made replications so many membrs around the globe can manufacture them. They will have very very different setups so it is very diffucult to give any instructables.
There are plenty of different makes of position sensors but most of them need some signal processing and/or exact gears, vanes, magnets, holes in order to get a proper and reliable drive signal for the coils. Modifications are mostly impossible without rebuilding the timing elements.
I feel the simplest and most variable sensor system for experimental motors would be to mount a CD on the shaft and glue paper on it with printed patterns. Pedants use printable blank disks.
As sensors we can use i.e. reflective photoelectric sensors
It will be easy to "program" any timing by simple printing multiple pulses per coil on the CD.

The sensors system depends on the motor type considerably. My question: Will it be possible to use AC alternators from cars. The rotor comprises a rotating manget NSNSNSNS energized by a central coil (pulsing possible). The stator contains multiple poles and coils. Main parts. These AC generators are readily available of very similar make all over the world.

Please understand this as keyhole view only. I do not want others to stop their current replications. It is essential to make them in order to learn.
rgds JohnStone

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Dear John Stone

Hi Ufo,
Your optical controlled motor (suggestion) looks fine. It resembles your pulsed coil you suggested for test initially. Nevertheless it should be understood as principle for understanding. We were more advanced with the FET ciruits pulsing a single coil.

The main concern is the sensor. Yes it can be done with a mirror segemnt but this comes along implications. A friend of mine did it at an electronic ignition 20 years ago and he failed far away from home because the mirror (polished metal) was not even and so tiny inaccurencies modulated the on time uncontrolled. Apart that some dirt may add same effect. I do not say it can't be done but it needs a closed chamber and very professional mechanics.

As basic primer for BLDC motor control see this application note from Microchip.
Simple sensors use the back emf from the coils as sensor signal for rotor position. Now we now that your motors omit just this signal. Apart that we intend to pulse the drive coils with high voltage.
There is obviously no way - we need to construct position sensors.

I assume that we want to focus initially to simple home made replications so many membrs around the globe can manufacture them. They will have very very different setups so it is very diffucult to giv any instructables.

Before I go deeper in sensors I have a qustion: Will it be possible to use AC alternators from cars. The rotor comprises a rotating manget NSNSNSNS energized by a central coil (pulsing possible). The stator contains multiple poles and coils. Main parts. AC generators are readily available in very similar make all over the world.

Hello Dear John,

Well that is great, however, if mirroring the IR will become a "blurry deal", then let's use "FRONTAL" approach, where they will be disposed face 2 face, Emitter-Receivers, now, in order to just install one receiver to sweep a whole angle of interaction to close contact, instead of one dozen in parallel... , could we use a "reflector and deflecting lens type design, to amplify-prolong the IR Spectrum then keep it "On" while it is already out of straight position...for those sequences of time?

John related to Alternators converted to Motors Mod...as long as they do not have the Spider Shaped Rotor (teeth facing like a Shark Mouth) that hosts the Static Coil Field...then it could be used...Not the Shark Mouth types...We could never wind there without major steel modifications and insulation's...

Warm regards


UFO

[JohnStone]

Hi Ufo,
sorry I posted too early. Please reread my recent post.
What is the problem with those shark fins at alternators? Is it the winding problem only or is it the shape and magentic flux. The fins can be taken apart - not easy but it can be done. Apart that why should the rotor winding be redone? They can be pulsed up to several hundred volts.

BTW: I just dismantled an old CD drive. The drive motor is a very fine multipole BLDC motor very alike that motor built by Dad Hav. If the count of poles conforms to the poles of a motor this tiny part can be used as inductive sensor as well. Some guys use them in order to build digital volume knobs with direct input to micros.
JohnStone

[Turion]

UFO,
Here is my stator frame, made out of large PVC pipe. I will attach "fins" with epoxy. How many slots for wires would you suggest. I can do as few or as many as needed. I have only attached one so far, and if it is not "deep" enough for the layers of winding, I can glue extensions onto it. That's the nice thing about this section not being under stress and being able to use plastic.

Dave

[dR-Green]

Now let's go back in time to only be "fair" to Tesla...He used Spark Gaps...and even electromechanical means to create what we can achieve NOW, with a simple $5.00 USD 555Timer Integrated Circuit...and a couple of MOSFET's...He even inserted specific "isolated contact elements" within the copper commutators, to be switching specific disposed brushes to sweep, those contacts only, to effect his disrupting circuits...then let's all conclude here,that all My considered BEST SCIENTIST EVER, related to ELECTRICITY...and ELECTRODYNAMICS...wanted to achieve by this very primitive methods...was a, now for most everyone here easy to make...SQUARE WAVE...through a Capacitor , a Spark and a disrupted mechanical circuit...

This information is presented as is. Whether perceived to be negative or positive is of no consequence.

You will NOT do with a 555 timer what a disruptive discharge circuit does. The "break" is made at maximum wave potential. The "break" is essentially shorting the power supply to the primary at the maximum potential. Capacitors are arranged and tuned with the primary as to create a "ringing" effect in the primary circuit whereby the whole thing will continue to "ring" from one impulse, as a bell rings from one hit.

Put simply, a square wave or pulsed DC does NOT equate to a disruptive discharge. Tesla was well beyond a simple square wave I'm afraid. You are more likely to find the parts you need in the scrap yard than you are at radio shack.

[codeboundfuture]

Reactors

Hey UFO,

I have been trying to put some of this together in a clear picture and I think you could answer a couple questions I have that you helped lead me to ask.

Tesla frequently talks about electricity as a gas, capacitors are previously known as condensers and at one point, not long ago, you mentioned Reactors, as in inductors, which points me to this.

Wikipedia - Inductor

Inductance (L) results from the magnetic field forming around a current-carrying conductor which tends to resist changes in the current. Electric current through the conductor creates a magnetic flux proportional to the current. A change in this current creates a corresponding change in magnetic flux which, in turn, by Faraday's law generates an electromotive force (EMF) that opposes this change in current. Inductance is a measure of the amount of EMF generated per unit change in current. For example, an inductor with an inductance of 1 henry produces an EMF of 1 volt when the current through the inductor changes at the rate of 1 ampere per second. The number of loops, the size of each loop, and the material it is wrapped around all affect the inductance. For example, the magnetic flux linking these turns can be increased by coiling the conductor around a material with a high permeability such as iron.

Does this paragraph roughly describes how much radiant we get out of our hot current?

Those of you who read my balloon analogy might see where I am going with this and if I am seeing this correctly the answer really is very simple, the systems might be a slight bit of a pain to tune. (Tesla used lots of resonance which I think we can almost entirely be replaced with diodes, so then only parts need to be able to have self resonance?)

As UFO stated tesla used DC, non reversing pulses to unlock a radiant event, which occurs within reactors that cease current flow (like UFO), or through the release of a condenser (Tesla did this to small wires, they exploded into electrical vapor...).

Induction is a state of energy flow.
Capacitance is a state of energy storage.
Both are essentially the inverse of each other, radiance from the rapid discharge of inductor current(open circuit), radiance from the rapid discharge of capacitance(closed circuit).

I'm really starting to rant at this point, and I would like to know what UFO has to say about my original question about the Wikipedia quote. Also what he thinks about where I am going with this, everything so far points me to believe that the radiant event is a decompression of aether. (Tesla I believe states this quite plainly but don't quote me on that one, I am only human. :P) So if this is the case then it is subject to the introduction of heat and the REST of the electromagnetic spectrum (unlike normal gases this does have electrical properties, specifically, it likes conduits more than gravity...) to add energy to the decompressing gaseous aether.
(Liquid CO2 tanks get cold when pressure is released, while still releasing energy the colder the tank gets the less energy that is released in any given time (amps), keep the tank warm and your flow (amperage) stays higher).

Okay really, I'm stopping now, anything anyone would like to add?

best wishes,
matt

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Dear John Stone

Hi Ufo,
sorry I posted too early. Please reread my recent post.
What is the problem with those shark fins at alternators? Is it the winding problem only or is it the shape and magentic flux. The fins can be taken apart - not easy but it can be done. Apart that why should the rotor winding be redone? They can be pulsed up to several hundred volts.

BTW: I just dismantled an old CD drive. The drive motor is a very fine multipole BLDC motor very alike that motor built by Dad Hav. If the count of poles conforms to the poles of a motor this tiny part can be used as inductive sensor as well. Some guys use them in order to build digital volume knobs with direct input to micros.
JohnStone

I noticed that, and I will go over later...
Now the Shark Teeth Armature is designed in Automotive Alternators to produce a static North in upper teeth [VVV], as a South on bottom jaw [^^^]...they have this design on purpose to alternate Flux of opposite directions NSNSNSNS through also alternate windings that are disposed in [~~~~]...this creates an A/C Sine wave instantly as rotation occurs..
Now, this armatures can not "easily" be winded in the same fashion as a Motor Armature John..that has the Poles retainers in [T] shape to hold Coil wire from popping out...plus they are not insulated...meaning not good...as the steel transformation will be more work than water jet steel lamination's and insert them in a fresh shaft...that complicated.
They can to be used as Static Rotating Armatures for our project either, since they render a Static Flux Sinusoidal Shape that kills Radiant Fields...

Regards


UFO

[Ufopolitics]

Hello MR DR GREEN!!

This information is presented as is. Whether perceived to be negative or positive is of no consequence.

You will NOT do with a 555 timer what a disruptive discharge circuit does. The "break" is made at maximum wave potential. The "break" is essentially shorting the power supply to the primary at the maximum potential. Capacitors are arranged and tuned with the primary as to create a "ringing" effect in the primary circuit whereby the whole thing will continue to "ring" from one impulse, as a bell rings from one hit.

Put simply, a square wave or pulsed DC does NOT equate to a disruptive discharge. Tesla was well beyond a simple square wave I'm afraid. You are more likely to find the parts you need in the scrap yard than you are at radio shack.

Well HELLO MR DR. GREEN!!

Welcome!!
First time I see you around here...posting with me...but of course I realize that the "minute" I mentioned DR TESLA...you jumped off your seat ...

You are completely right, no comparison in excellence of SUPER POWER compared to a 555, absolutely agree with you Sir...

I was just citing it, as an example of what our Genius wanted to achieve at larger scales...so the closest and easier example was the 555 ..

Tesla was after a disruptive discharge that no matter its "intensity", has a degree of collapse in it...a FREE FALL to zero point...to no charge, no reversing of currents...to just an "idle time"...a "do nothing" time, even being a nano second of it...agree?

Regards and hope you stick around since I admire your great work on Asymmetrical Transformers from DR TESLA...or...the TESLA COIL...

Warm Regards


UFO

[Ufopolitics]

That looks good Turion...

UFO,
Here is my stator frame, made out of large PVC pipe. I will attach "fins" with epoxy. How many slots for wires would you suggest. I can do as few or as many as needed. I have only attached one so far, and if it is not "deep" enough for the layers of winding, I can glue extensions onto it. That's the nice thing about this section not being under stress and being able to use plastic.

Dave

Hello Dave,

That looks great, that will allow a Monster Stator Coil...are you gonna illuminate your whole town with this??...or a Baseball Stadium
Mine have Five Fins above five bottom, however depending on wire to be used (awg)and how many windings you are gonna go...as I suppose you do have an Armature for that "thing"...and you have already considered a pretty fair "Air Gap" for it..?
Also it needs "Caps" at front and rear...to also hold the upper-lower wires...they could be screwed in after assembled but need it when winding it...
It needs fins below also, and need to be parallel to each others, not angled!, as they will hold wire...the winding is kind of "different" but I will show it..later on I will display the pattern so you guys will watch it better...can't now...

Regards

UFO