My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[ampsvolts]

Thanks UFO..
Maybe someone can tell me...
Can a PWM such as that sold in the following link be used for these motors
Oatley Electronics
Cheers
AV

[Ufopolitics]

Pwm...

Thanks UFO..
Maybe someone can tell me...
Can a PWM such as that sold in the following link be used for these motors
Oatley Electronics
Cheers
AV

Hello Ampsvolts,

I already saw that PWM, sorry I forgot to tell you in prev post..it does not look but a very "light" configuration, my friend...

Number one, is an old design based on relays...
It has only two Q1-Q2...MOSFETS...that does not construct a solid Switching wall for Heavy Coils...
Must of the controllers I have tried from factory (and really great ones and expensive ones) never worked out for my motors...

However, Controllers are "rated" according to type of Motor you are gonne control them with...
If you like to know more about this problems...Go to the page where I wrote about this...here
Post 528 is first Page..

Thanks


UFO



Thanks

[Bob Smith]

Axle Ideas; Strange Battery Behaviour

Yes, good to hear about Dana. Bob or UFO / anybody. Since the little motor will be a popular build. Can't we find a shaft material. I would think Hobby Shop landing gear wire or something should be appropriate if it's the right size. It's nice to have enough shaft sticking out to make use of a flywheel or some sort of adapter.
John H

My 3 pole motor shaft measured .088 inches diameter. I couldn't find drill rod that fine to match (to cut down). Perhaps bicycle spoke might be an option - just another out of the box idea, like John H's. If this doesn't pan out, I may try UFO's "patch" idea with the copper wire splints on the armature.

Battery Behaviour
UFO, you mentioned the battery running an extraordinarily long time while powering your motor-generator, and the reasons for this. I would like to add that my supply battery (just a 9 V alkaline) seems to be getting conditioned by supplying my little 3-pole screamer. After I unhook it, its lowered voltage continues to rise to the previous level. This seems consistent with what you said, due to the forces you mention.

As you say, radiant energy cannot be measured with a DVM - and this is my experience: the DVM-measured output voltage produced seems lower that what I expected. YET, something else unmeasureable in the output is gradually conditioning a dead sealed lead-acid battery in what seems to me the same fashion a Bedini setup would. To the conventionally trained electrodynamic mind, this might seem strange, but it seems entirely consistent with the Bedini-Bearden-UFO paradigm.

The missus has me busy these days, but I'll continue as I can with modding other motors. I just love my new toys!!!!
Bob

[Sanskara316]

hi UFO

Did another mod motor a small 3volt motor 3 poles, I used a almost dead SLA 6 Volt battery as a source, it just sits around 4 volts and if given a load even a small led it would come down to 1 volt. It started very slow barely here it spinning, then after a minute or two it started to spin faster, and I noticed the voltage on the battery is slowly climbing. connected a small led flash light to the generating side and it lit, now the battery voltage with load is around 2+ volts. its been running for an hour now and the machine squeals a lot. it's conditioning the battery and meter not showing what really is happening draws 300 ma?? not possible, battery doesn't have that power. the only explanation is your explanation

[LutherG]

hi UFO

Did another mod motor a small 3volt motor 3 poles, I used a almost dead SLA 6 Volt battery as a source, it just sits around 4 volts and if given a load even a small led it would come down to 1 volt. It started very slow barely here it spinning, then after a minute or two it started to spin faster, and I noticed the voltage on the battery is slowly climbing. connected a small led flash light to the generating side and it lit, now the battery voltage with load is around 2+ volts. its been running for an hour now and the machine squeals a lot. it's conditioning the battery and meter not showing what really is happening draws 300 ma?? not possible, battery doesn't have that power. the only explanation is your explanation

This is amazing - the way it starts up is exactly how the 3BGS System starts. If this doesn't tell people what's going on I don't know what will!

Cheers,

Luther

[pmazz850]

"spiro of life" vs "star of david"

@UFOpolitics,
Have you wound a motor with the "spiro of life" winding you posted? Are there any benefits of this wind? I'm gonna wind a 12 pole and wondering if I should consider this over the star of david wind. Its a pretty complex winding but if there is a benefit I would consider it.

Regards!

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks for sharing your results, Sanskara

hi UFO

Did another mod motor a small 3volt motor 3 poles, I used a almost dead SLA 6 Volt battery as a source, it just sits around 4 volts and if given a load even a small led it would come down to 1 volt. It started very slow barely here it spinning, then after a minute or two it started to spin faster, and I noticed the voltage on the battery is slowly climbing. connected a small led flash light to the generating side and it lit, now the battery voltage with load is around 2+ volts. its been running for an hour now and the machine squeals a lot. it's conditioning the battery and meter not showing what really is happening draws 300 ma?? not possible, battery doesn't have that power. the only explanation is your explanation

Hello Sanskara,

Well I am glad you have witnessed some of the "Effects"...
Yes they do recondition Batteries...remember, Radiant Energy is taking over the Machine...so RE comes out through Input also...
Reason why we get high Volts-Amps reading...this Motors consume very small amounts of current and volts, I knew that...

Every Coil is been "Self Electromagnetically Pulsated" here...they auto disconnect from source, then next Coil arrangement "assist" first on rotation, and so on, Commutator Switching has become a "Self Oscillator" for every independently energized coil...

Regards and great test!!


Ufopolitics

[Sanskara316]

This is amazing - the way it starts up is exactly how the 3BGS System starts. If this doesn't tell people what's going on I don't know what will!

Cheers,

Luther

Yup it has a very similar effect, I also did the 3bgs system, somehow maybe the inverted battery acts like a diode that stop the hot from goin and allows radiant to enter, It burned all the motors I have maybe because it was symmetrical design, maybe trying this amazing assymetric motor with the 3bgs system will improve the performance

[Sanskara316]

Hello Sanskara,

Well I am glad you have witnessed some of the "Effects"...
Yes they do recondition Batteries...remember, Radiant Energy is taking over the Machine...so RE comes out through Input also...
Reason why we get high Volts-Amps reading...this Motors consume very small amounts of current and volts, I knew that...

Every Coil is been "Self Electromagnetically Pulsated" here...they auto disconnect from source, then next Coil arrangement "assist" first on rotation, and so on, Commutator Switching has become a "Self Oscillator" for every independently energized coil...

Regards and great test!!
Ufopolitics

Thanks so much for sharing this wonderful world changing technology, I know it will, I hope a lot of people would try this because this is really is true, I believe. even if I cannot explain you can plainly see if not your blind. thank you UFO

[zapzap]

Commercial partial validation?

"No laminating steel is used in the stator to eliminate all Eddly currents and magnetic loss."

From here: AC Induction Motor | ACT Motor Technology | Brushless DC Motor | Electronic Speed Control USA | Brush DC Motor | Remote Aerial Vehicle | Advanced Control

Now before anyone flys off the handle, this sophisticated motor/generator has a optimal claim of "95% or greater" so please don't misconstrue this post. No over unity claim. Well, I think.

Other changes?
"2.The wires are wound in S pattern instead of circular pattern; this will result in the minimum amount of copper wire. As we know all wires have resistance and can generate heat. The less wire will generate less heat. Also, the inductance for S pattern winding is about one tenth of the inductance of the circular pattern for the same amount of wire. The less inductance means higher power factor. The higher power factor means better efficiency."

There's more regarding its control unit.

I've posted this information here as proof that the "witch" is already beginning to run into some trouble in the mainstream - the door is creaking open which will make acceptance and application of UP's tech perhaps a bit easier. We can hope.

Also, I suspect it is important to understand how UP"s engines perhaps with time and money will be further refined, perfected?

To all you nay sayers, you now have someone else to bother, ha ha!

[DadHav]

"No laminating steel is used in the stator to eliminate all Eddly currents and magnetic loss."

From here: AC Induction Motor | ACT Motor Technology | Brushless DC Motor | Electronic Speed Control USA | Brush DC Motor | Remote Aerial Vehicle | Advanced Control

Now before anyone flys off the handle, this sophisticated motor/generator has a optimal claim of "95% or greater" so please don't misconstrue this post. No over unity claim. Well, I think.

Other changes?
"2.The wires are wound in S pattern instead of circular pattern; this will result in the minimum amount of copper wire. As we know all wires have resistance and can generate heat. The less wire will generate less heat. Also, the inductance for S pattern winding is about one tenth of the inductance of the circular pattern for the same amount of wire. The less inductance means higher power factor. The higher power factor means better efficiency."

There's more regarding its control unit.

I've posted this information here as proof that the "witch" is already beginning to run into some trouble in the mainstream - the door is creaking open which will make acceptance and application of UP's tech perhaps a bit easier. We can hope.

Also, I suspect it is important to understand how UP"s engines perhaps with time and money will be further refined, perfected?

To all you nay sayers, you now have someone else to bother, ha ha!

Zap. Maybe I'll be the first one to bother you. I never heard UFO mention anything about wanting money. Although I don't always agree with him, I know what he is doing could possible represent one of his most important accomplishments, so I respect him for that. I think everyone following this thread is hoping for ground stable proof of concept and I hope it will come, but I don't think you should try to introduce any new concepts here unless you talk it over with UFO. Is that who you mean when you say UP's?
J

[Ufopolitics]

The Spyro Of Life...

@UFOpolitics,
Have you wound a motor with the "spiro of life" winding you posted? Are there any benefits of this wind? I'm gonna wind a 12 pole and wondering if I should consider this over the star of david wind. Its a pretty complex winding but if there is a benefit I would consider it.

Regards!

Hello Pmazz,

The Spyro of Life is a very robust winding, very constant...but...

It has the "180 degrees Dilemma"...between In-Out brushes...
Generator brushes must be adjustable to get right angle of performance...

And yes it is complex...

I do not recommend you try this one yet...

I am working on another set up for 12 poles...I will post it when I make sure I test it and works...

Didn't you had a 16, 18, or 20 Poles?
Because if you do...I highly recommend the BOSCH Design...but must be Quad-Brushes/Four Stators...

Right now am working on the CAD for the Wound Fiber-Plastic Stator...
On the precise description for winding it...

Regards


UFO

[zapzap]

Dad needs sleep?

Do you need to go back to your plexiglass toys with a LED, suck on your gums and after a spell or two, re-read what I wrote? Very slowly? But you know better, don't you? Don't you?

I explained myself very clearly, if U.P. has an issue, he will have no problem expressing himself, ask F.H?

Suggestion? Try drinking some warm milk and go to sleep and dream of what is unfolding in spite of nay sayers!

Oh and, Good night.

[prochiro]

Battery charging ability

hi UFO

Did another mod motor a small 3volt motor 3 poles, I used a almost dead SLA 6 Volt battery as a source, it just sits around 4 volts and if given a load even a small led it would come down to 1 volt. It started very slow barely here it spinning, then after a minute or two it started to spin faster, and I noticed the voltage on the battery is slowly climbing. connected a small led flash light to the generating side and it lit, now the battery voltage with load is around 2+ volts. its been running for an hour now and the machine squeals a lot. it's conditioning the battery and meter not showing what really is happening draws 300 ma?? not possible, battery doesn't have that power. the only explanation is your explanation

I just wanted to chime in here to be counted as also replacating the battery charging events that Sanskara316 indicated. I started with a 4AH 12 volt battery that I had been using on another circuit two weeks ago and have not recharged it after using it for hours. It was sitting at 12.40. I took my best running mod motor, pluged it in direct and ran it, Battery went down to 12.24 and sat there for 30 seconds. Battery then started to rise 1/100 volt each minute. When it was at 12.27 I turned it off (total time less than 5 minutes run) and let it rest for five minutes. It went up to 12.43 and is still there now.
Just think what a larger motor would do on a big battery bank. Everybody needs to document this test here as it proves what UFO said.
Dana
PS: Tomarrow, as my motor does not get hot, I am going to let it run and charge while auto-recording battery level into database report to study pattern of time and voltage.

[iankoglin]

Kogs attempt

G'Day UFO and all
Its good that Dana is back again

I just received my 2 RS motors last week and the 30AWG wire on Wednesday
I altered the case and placed the 2 shafts into the armature with the 2 commutators in place and had it half way wound soldering each winding as I went When I was soldering the 4th segment of the armature parted from its base. I think I had the soldering Iron too hot

I decided not to purchase 2 more as they come from GB and USA and the motors including delivery was too expensive I can buy larger motors for not much more and I think it would better to work with.
A friend locally has quite a few Wind screen wiper motors 24 poles he said he would dissamble 4 of them and make new shafts for them so as to make 2 new motors one for him and one for me

I will let you know how they are going when I get them

Thanks UFO for staying with us

Kindest Regards to you all

Still plodding along