My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[wantomake]

Four stator

Hello Wantomake,

According to that picture every Stator comprehends Three(3) Poles...great!

I just need to know:

Did you removed the other Two(2) Stators on the housing?

Or is it just two Stators?

I could not see holes to bolt down stators core on the missing side (horizontal).

Also, it looks like a pretty heavy rotor core...thicker poles on the "T" vertical side represents less space for copper, as not too deep notch cut towards shaft either.

Still you could try winding it and see what it does when it is all finished.

On the wound stators, please, before removing wire by cutting it and trashing it out...try to write down the spec's, as number of turns and wire gauge.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Thanks my friend,

Yes, I removed everything from this case, and it's a four stator. Picture was kind of dark.

This is my second machine. The first one has the four stators, four brushes, and armature in it still. But the mods I did on it are not what I need for your machine.The field coils are not symmetrical in the case. The pictured case is one I'm using and will have slots cut in it for (four) brushes on both ends.

The first generator was for testing and learning. This second generator, I want to be right and better.
Hard to tell number of windings but, looks to be (looking at armature from first generator)10 turns for each lap. Not really sure how to term this. And 17 to 18 awg. I have 17 awg to wind with.

Excited to see how it will turn out,
wantomake

[Turion]

UFO,
I am a little confused (as usual). I thought the focus was going to be on the five pole, since that is the one everyone is now saying has shown results. Am I to understand that you are going to focus on a four pole version instead, or are just trying out a four pole version to see if the effects are the same?

Dave

[prochiro]

Dave

We are doing the NN wind on RS five pole and as soon as Imperial gets our commutators some of us are testing the Imperial with NN wind. I think you may be confused with some talk of four Brush systems. Just wind a RS or similar with NN winds and see what you think.
Dana

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,
I am a little confused (as usual). I thought the focus was going to be on the five pole, since that is the one everyone is now saying has shown results. Am I to understand that you are going to focus on a four pole version instead, or are just trying out a four pole version to see if the effects are the same?

Dave

Dave,

As Dana wrote, you could start on the RS Five Poles, it will show advantages over the previous version as seen on my testing video(s), mainly this Video

And..if you still have the previous one you built...you could compare it yourself, of course, using same spec's as wire gauge and # of turns like I did on video.

Yes, We will be moving into the Four Stator System, as it have isolated Input/Output versus the Two Stators type, then we could create better testing scenarios when trying Supercap Banks.

Plus many more "goodies"...


Ufopolitics

[DadHav]

Bulb Load

Hello Everyone, Before I wind the 5 pole and do any tests there's something very important to be sure of. Is this the proper representation of how the bulb is connected in the regenerative acceleration under load test videos?

[Ufopolitics]

Connection

Hello Everyone, Before I wind the 5 pole and do any tests there's something very important to be sure of. Is this the proper representation of how the bulb is connected in the regenerative acceleration under load test videos?

Hello John,

Yes, that is the correct connection.

However, one important part to understand/realize, is that the Red crossed line-arrow does NOT means/represent a steady connection, but constantly pulsing/swapping all different Inductor/Coils within Machine Rotor.

Another Picture I drew for a Member from France (Lerameur) with the same connection except adding a controller:

[IMG][/IMG]

However, here we can picture better the Coils since there is no "crossing" lines.


Take care


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

All North 20 Poles BOSCH ran by Two AA Batteries...

Hello to All,

Below is the Video I just finished uploading to YT:

750W MACHINE RAN BY 2AA BATTERIES

And here is my Video Description in YT:

The Video above is a simple proof of wrong concepts We all have learned in our Electric Engineer Universities, or even in lower level technical Schools...if We are based on that "rigid", locked in time Model, adopted and considered "the one and only" for over One Hundred and Thirty Years by our Dogmatic Sciences, bought out/Financed, by Families which Institutions are based mainly, on Oil Investments Capitals...Cartels.

Then, the Model above brakes all rules established by those twisted and closed systems concepts acquired for too long by now...

Based on those old, dark, locked concepts, this Video then tends to become "unbelievable"...or merely be classified within the "Impossible to be"...A rated Category within the "Science Fiction" ...or could even be accused of being a Hoax, a Fraud...made under some special effect software, or some kind of tricks.

But it is not any of the above...it is completely real.

The Machine was modified, re-wounded and constructed based on a "Disregarded", by actual Science, Method of "Open, Asymmetrical Systems" conceived all the way back in the 1800's...and fully developed by Nikola Tesla.

Therefore, it is impossible, based on a Closed System, that activates simultaneously, all the looped, closed coils within its rotor/armature, to believe those two tiny batteries could even move that 4.39 lbs Machine rotor/shaft, plus all magnetic drag generated between Rotor Core and Stators, adding all mechanical friction involved (Bearings,Brushes, etc)...Then it will be much less conceivable to run it for over Twenty Five (exactly 25:27) Minutes at steady over 350 Revolutions Per Minute (RPM) without suffering any decay through whole track, just because it is an achievement, an operation, those two little batteries could never fulfill based on that system.

Those Two -small capacity- AA Batteries are "Engineered"-according to our "Dogmatic Science chosen Model"- to run, a much, but much smaller little motor...and only for "around" Fifteen (15) Minutes Maximum.

However, If I would be to engineer an Open System, where Only the actuating/interacting Coils that create motoring propulsion, would be turned on, one at a time, and just for a few nano seconds, and so on, a succession of other independent coils in a sequence, everyone at specific timings...each with low resistance values...then it would be possible within the same exact machine to obtain the results seen on this video.

It is not Science Fiction, it is not a hoax...We all have been blinded following one single possibility for too many years, and from generation to generation.

It is about time to become Divergent from those obsolete Models, and open our eyes and minds to develop this other hidden side of knowledge.



Ufopolitics

[esesenergy]

can you put a load on it like another OTS generator ,what happens or happened

[DadHav]

Hello John,

Yes, that is the correct connection.

However, one important part to understand/realize, is that the Red crossed line-arrow does NOT means/represent a steady connection, but constantly pulsing/swapping all different Inductor/Coils within Machine Rotor.

Another Picture I drew for a Member from France (Lerameur) with the same connection except adding a controller:

[IMG][/IMG]

However, here we can picture better the Coils since there is no "crossing" lines.


Take care


Ufopolitics

Hello UFO, As you might have figured, I see something to question. Thanks for reminding me, but I'm fully aware of the brushes being there. Where I have a problem is most people looking at these recent videos really think it is a load on the motor that you are demonstrating. If I see it right the bulb is a load on the battery not the motor. Here is what I see and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Current will flow from the battery through the brush, across the coil, out through the other brush and back to the battery. This is a closed series circuit that doesn't have anything to do with generated potential from the motor. Correct me if I'm wrong again but couldn't you disconnect either side of the bottom wires and the motor would stop and be powerless but the bulb would stay lit. Of course you need to leave the wires attached to each other but not the motor and the commutator would have to be in the right possition. Is this where you plan to attach a load to the motor. How can you do that and call it a load if it's running from the battery. How many people here thought the bulb was lighting from the generator of the motor? Put up your hands. Now on the regenerative speed increase. I could really be wrong about this guess but you have the bulb in series with one of the motor coils and parallel with the other. Is it possible that a mismatch of resistance in the coils sends s little more potential down the path of least resistance and with one coil having more potential than it had previously it might speed up slightly? That's just a guess and I'll take it on the nose for it but it's just a thought. The clamp meter will always throw you a curve ball especially when it comes to skeptics. I saw the meter showing 100 to 150 ma when the bulb was disconnected a few times. Just an idea, did you ever think of using a precision resistor as a shunt or for that matter a shunt with a multimeter on it or just get an amp meter or another multi meter? If I'm correct about what I said then I think your videos are going to raise a lot of false hopes. If I'm not wrong, this leaves me with only a few basic tests and comparisons to the original motor with the exception of a load on the generator side. Unless I'm wrong again a load on the generator side is not demonstrated very often right? The same goes for a load across the generator coil attached in series to the motor coil. If you could do this without heavy current draw and RPM reduction then you really have something.
John

[DadHav]

Hello to All,

Below is the Video I just finished uploading to YT:

750W MACHINE RAN BY 2AA BATTERIES

And here is my Video Description in YT:

The Video above is a simple proof of wrong concepts We all have learned in our Electric Engineer Universities, or even in lower level technical Schools...if We are based on that "rigid", locked in time Model, adopted and considered "the one and only" for over One Hundred and Thirty Years by our Dogmatic Sciences, bought out/Financed, by Families which Institutions are based mainly, on Oil Investments Capitals...Cartels.

Then, the Model above brakes all rules established by those twisted and closed systems concepts acquired for too long by now...

Based on those old, dark, locked concepts, this Video then tends to become "unbelievable"...or merely be classified within the "Impossible to be"...A rated Category within the "Science Fiction" ...or could even be accused of being a Hoax, a Fraud...made under some special effect software, or some kind of tricks.

But it is not any of the above...it is completely real.

The Machine was modified, re-wounded and constructed based on a "Disregarded", by actual Science, Method of "Open, Asymmetrical Systems" conceived all the way back in the 1800's...and fully developed by Nikola Tesla.

Therefore, it is impossible, based on a Closed System, that activates simultaneously, all the looped, closed coils within its rotor/armature, to believe those two tiny batteries could even move that 4.39 lbs Machine rotor/shaft, plus all magnetic drag generated between Rotor Core and Stators, adding all mechanical friction involved (Bearings,Brushes, etc)...Then it will be much less conceivable to run it for over Twenty Five (exactly 25:27) Minutes at steady over 350 Revolutions Per Minute (RPM) without suffering any decay through whole track, just because it is an achievement, an operation, those two little batteries could never fulfill based on that system.

Those Two -small capacity- AA Batteries are "Engineered"-according to our "Dogmatic Science chosen Model"- to run, a much, but much smaller little motor...and only for "around" Fifteen (15) Minutes Maximum.

However, If I would be to engineer an Open System, where Only the actuating/interacting Coils that create motoring propulsion, would be turned on, one at a time, and just for a few nano seconds, and so on, a succession of other independent coils in a sequence, everyone at specific timings...each with low resistance values...then it would be possible within the same exact machine to obtain the results seen on this video.

It is not Science Fiction, it is not a hoax...We all have been blinded following one single possibility for too many years, and from generation to generation.

It is about time to become Divergent from those obsolete Models, and open our eyes and minds to develop this other hidden side of knowledge.



Ufopolitics

I'm saying this constantly but "Correct me if I'm wrong" People fly R/C every day including myself and you too right? use batteries to their max. I fly precision pattern ships and my favorite is the Aspera. I use a 2600 mah battery and fly for 8 to 10 minutes. In that time I'm using somewhere around 20 to 20 amps from the battery. 2600 ma or 2.6 ah means the battery should have that much potential or be capable of supplying 2.6 amps for ONE HOUR before the battery pack reaches its safe depletion level. The same thing goes for an AA battery at 2200 milliamp hour capacity. HOUR being the key word. If the cells weren't so small they, in theory, should be able to supply over 8 amps for 15 minutes or so. I doubt if they can but a video without more information leaves this as a possible thing to believe. I run a 2 pound rotor for several months on a single AA. I'm anxious to see the fine details and tests in the future videos. I really hope you have something there. I hope also it isn't another generation of technology but is parallel to what everyone is already working on.
John

[Midaztouch]

@UFO

20 pole, 4 stator, 8 brushes
1 input.... Ok

3 outputs, Charging ultra-caps.... What's going on with the charging!?
.....................................

@All

TheOldScientist

Sorry Ufo.it is not. I have just released a video on my website of Ohm's law and Kirchhoff's second law of voltage. I recommend you watch it.
I have a simple task for if you want to know the truth. Measure the resistance of shelf 750 Watt motor. Take the resistance and divide it by your supply voltage. That gives you your current. Multiply that with your voltage. That gives you your power or wattage. Do the same for your asynchronous motor. Consider the initial load at startup and the load under full RPM. Apply ampere's law here to calculate the B field. Your design is more efficient but it does not break the rules I am afraid.

Can someone explain what "rules" The Old Scientist is referring to? From my understanding, I couldn't find any laws/rules broken. The laws seem to be all there and they are working in harmony together... Further more, I can't remember UFO or any other team member saying that we are trying to break any rules. The only rule that seems to be different is that, it's an asymmetric motor.

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz


Gas 2 | Bridging the gap between green heads and gear heads. Edison Electrical Institute(EEI) will have a fit soon!

[Ufopolitics]

Correct me if I am wrong...

I'm saying this constantly but "Correct me if I'm wrong" People fly R/C every day including myself and you too right? use batteries to their max. I fly precision pattern ships and my favorite is the Aspera. I use a 2600 mah battery and fly for 8 to 10 minutes. In that time I'm using somewhere around 20 to 20 amps from the battery. 2600 ma or 2.6 ah means the battery should have that much potential or be capable of supplying 2.6 amps for ONE HOUR before the battery pack reaches its safe depletion level. The same thing goes for an AA battery at 2200 milliamp hour capacity. HOUR being the key word. If the cells weren't so small they, in theory, should be able to supply over 8 amps for 15 minutes or so. I doubt if they can but a video without more information leaves this as a possible thing to believe. I run a 2 pound rotor for several months on a single AA. I'm anxious to see the fine details and tests in the future videos. I really hope you have something there. I hope also it isn't another generation of technology but is parallel to what everyone is already working on.
John

John,

Of course I will correct you if you are wrong.

And yes, you are wrong.

What kind of motors all those R/C Models use?...anyone like the one I am showing on video?!...am so sure none have that type, nor even close...or they will sink down on their nose...or drawn on the lake...

The point on video is so simple.

Get the Original 750 Watts SYMMETRIC MOTOR and then try doing exactly same test...and observe its shaft won't even turn one millimeter...and batteries die in seconds.

Why?...You know better than most here how a Symmetric, short circuit, closed loop Brush Motor works John.
You know it MUST ENERGIZE ALL COILS in the Rotor at the same time to achieve rotation, on this case it will divide the 360º Quadrant in Four, Two North, Two South against all four NSNS stators...then all energy would be set against each others in a complete short, All that LOST energy versus RESIDUAL EMF won´t be enough to even move that shaft with those tiny batteries, period.

I only turn Two Coils at a time, and at Max, Four coils when dual Comm Elements made contact with Brushes, and that is Four from a Total of Twenty (20) Coils...then they disconnect and NEXT comes in, sequence...simple.

Again, it is not about the battery ratings, they do exactly like they have it written on label.

I know exactly what Amps/Hour means John, batteries do exactly that rating, motor draws like between 3.5 to 4.0 Amps, which approx double the 2.2 amps/h...so they do rotate shaft for close to half hour, discounting nickel and dimes...and that is correct time.

Have in mind that is a massive rotor of 4.5 Lbs, plus magnetic drag from FOUR Heavy Duty Magnets, plus mechanical friction from EIGHT Brushes, plus bearings, etc...for me is even hard to turn that rotor by hand...and this two batteries turn it for 25 minutes at 360 RPM's....that is the point.

You have said it all...in your R/C Models you would only fly/operate/navigate for 15-20 minutes max with a MUCH SMALLER MOTOR!!...and what are you using? LiPo's right?...well, this are Nickel Metal Hydride Sir...you know pretty well the difference....wanna watch what it does at 11.2 Volts and Lipo's?...using exactly same amperage draw as those two little AA?

Got the point?...or still don't?

Related to your 2 pound rotor running for months...is that an "OFF THE SHELF" Motor We all could buy with a part number and a brand name?

Related to the "Technology"...it is exactly the same, and everyone here is familiar with that type of winding...it has been exposed in full colors for a long while back.


Take care John


Ufopolitics

[wantomake]

Wow

To Ufopolitics,
If that YouTube video doesn't convince them , then they will never want to see the truth. Thanks for a good example.

I can't wait to get started with these builds. I saw the RS motor Saturday and think it would be a great presentation for those that support me and this work. They want physical evidence not talk. That's what you show with this video. So your hard work is shown here. But I will stop being a fan and become a player in this arena.

Thanks for coaching me,
wantomake

[Ufopolitics]

Hello UFO, As you might have figured, I see something to question. Thanks for reminding me, but I'm fully aware of the brushes being there. Where I have a problem is most people looking at these recent videos really think it is a load on the motor that you are demonstrating.

Ok, John...let's see if You understand this well...

If I see it right the bulb is a load on the battery not the motor. Here is what I see and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Current will flow from the battery through the brush, across the coil, out through the other brush and back to the battery. This is a closed series circuit that doesn't have anything to do with generated potential from the motor. Correct me if I'm wrong again but couldn't you disconnect either side of the bottom wires and the motor would stop and be powerless but the bulb would stay lit.

Nope, Bulb will STOP lighting John, if you disconnect any of the rear terminals...BOTH Components of the circuit (Motor and Bulb) will STOP when disconnecting rear jumper.

Of course you need to leave the wires attached to each other but not the motor and the commutator would have to be in the right possition. Is this where you plan to attach a load to the motor. How can you do that and call it a load if it's running from the battery.

Look at this Simplified Circuit of the same exact motor circuit John:

[IMG][/IMG]

If Switch S1 is Open (Rear Jumper Off) Bulb will NOT light up...can you see it now?

How many people here thought the bulb was lighting from the generator of the motor? Put up your hands. Now on the regenerative speed increase. I could really be wrong about this guess but you have the bulb in series with one of the motor coils and parallel with the other. Is it possible that a mismatch of resistance in the coils sends s little more potential down the path of least resistance and with one coil having more potential than it had previously it might speed up slightly? That's just a guess and I'll take it on the nose for it but it's just a thought. The clamp meter will always throw you a curve ball especially when it comes to skeptics. I saw the meter showing 100 to 150 ma when the bulb was disconnected a few times. Just an idea, did you ever think of using a precision resistor as a shunt or for that matter a shunt with a multimeter on it or just get an amp meter or another multi meter? If I'm correct about what I said then I think your videos are going to raise a lot of false hopes. If I'm not wrong, this leaves me with only a few basic tests and comparisons to the original motor with the exception of a load on the generator side. Unless I'm wrong again a load on the generator side is not demonstrated very often right? The same goes for a load across the generator coil attached in series to the motor coil. If you could do this without heavy current draw and RPM reduction then you really have something.
John

John, it is a Rule of Thumb...if your first "guess" or assumption is wrong...then all others based on first one will also be wrong...simple.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[DadHav]

Ok, John...let's see if You understand this well...



Nope, Bulb will STOP lighting John, if you disconnect any of the rear terminals...BOTH Components of the circuit (Motor and Bulb) will STOP when disconnecting rear jumper.





Look at this Simplified Circuit of the same exact motor circuit John:

[IMG][/IMG]

If Switch S1 is Open (Rear Jumper Off) Bulb will NOT light up...can you see it now?



John, it is a Rule of Thumb...if your first "guess" or assumption is wrong...then all others based on first one will also be wrong...simple.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Sorry UFO but I have a NOPE for you too. I guess there could be some confusion about what I was calling the bottom. I'm not talking about where you put the switch on the drawing. Check my picture and I'll politely ask aging, because I could be wrong but don't think so. If this first assumption is correct then everything after it is correct also. If so, do you have misleading videos? Let me ask before you even evaluate the drawing: Are you openly claiming in your videos the the bulb load is running from the motor? From potential generated by the device and not the battery?
Now look at my modified drawing. Will the motor stop and the bulb stay lit?