Asymmetric Unbalanced Gravity Wheel With Motor Regauging

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I had this idea, maybe already been tried, I know there was that invention with the single weighted arm, though it did not use a variable radius in its operation.
This design would be for slow rpms, though a very heavy weight can be used.
The idea is, that it might have a useable surplus of shaft energy.
Due to the fact that it would take less energy to regauge or pull the weight back around to the longer radius arm position, so that we can power the reset or regauging, then possibly an excess to power a separate load.
Let me know what you folks think of the possibility of this, thanks.



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tyson

[Ufopolitics]

I like it...

Hello Skywatcher,

I LOVE ANYTHING THAT WRITES "ASYMMETRY"...

Regards

UFO

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi UFOpolitics, thanks for the reply and kind words.
I built a simple test setup to see what happens, turn by hand for now.
It is acting like a gymnast on the high bar, where the gymnast changes the radius of his body and swings through the 4o'clock to 8'oclock position, then he changes the length of this body (radius), to make it much easier to pull over the top, letting gravity and inertia do most of the work.
Though since my setup is not a human being that can change shape or radius so dynamically, it cannot go over a certain speed because inertia will take over and not allow the shorter radius when pulling over the top.
Still seems like it might be worth setting up a low rpm motor or run a medium rpm motor and massively gear it down for lots of torque but very low rpm.
Then we can gear it up on other side for a higher rpm generator to power itself and a load.
Going to work towards that goal, slowly but surely.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is a test setup I have been using to observe operation of this device.
I added a non-moveable weight to the other side to balance the wheel more, when the swinging weight on other side is retracted inward.
This way less energy is needed to rotate the wheel and yet we still have the asymmetric variable to extract torque on the shaft.
By rotating by hand and placing my other hand on shaft as a load, it seems to push through the torque resistance of my hand fairly well, with only my fingers rotating the 5/8" nut on the shaft.
Also, it seems I can get the rpm to a decent level without the asymmetric radial mechanism collapsing into a normal pendulum action.
Have any of you folks tried any device principle like this, as it really does seem promising and if not, maybe someone could either tell me why this might actually work the way I envision and observe, thanks.



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tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, it seems others have had the same idea, of changing the radius of a pendulum on the fly.
Heretical Builders - View Single Post - F.m.chalkalis energy multiplier
Ted had the exact idea, yet his design looks a little different.
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tyson
and the full page link:
http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/sho...p?t=317&page=2

[SkyWatcher]

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Hi folks, I had another idea, this method uses two separate balanced weighted wheels on either side of a main wheel.
The idea is, that it would take far less energy input to rotate each of these into the proper position at the right time, to create an unbalanced overall wheel tapping gravity.
I think the left side of the wheel shown in the cad pic may be the position to cause an unbalanced condition.
Let me know if you folks see any flaw in this thinking, as i have not built a test model yet and the only sure way of knowing will be to build it, which will not be difficult.
peace love light
tyson

[garrettm4]

Interesting Implementation

I believe what you are actually doing is what's been called "synchronous parameter variation" with a mechanical mass, look up James F Murray he's all about doing this stuff mechanically but also electrically as well. I personally use the term "hysteretic energy convergence" (or HEC for short) when dealing with these types of apparatus. Which sums up the resultant effects in as few of words as possible, the first term, SPV, describes how it works but not what the effects are, which is why I use HEC.

Essentially you are changing a specific parameter, such as mass, momentum, ect, at a specific interval during a cyclic movement of energy (this can be stored energy, kinetic, as seen with a moving mass). Which if done right can impart energy into the storage system, seen as an increase in speed or torque.

This phenomena isn't a source of energy, in the normal sense, and requires a movement energy to be pre-existant for its effects to manifest on a larger scale. The effect being a divergence of energy from an external source, not normally "tapped" into. Which could be seen as free energy taken from gravity, for a mechanical system.

I have proven that a naturally excited (via pure parameter change) oscillatory system can act as a primary source with no other input, other than that required for the parameter change. However, to get a significant amount of energy out of this phenomena, a large pre-existing energy movement from a primary source, passing through the time-variant storage element, allows for a very large gain in returned energy to be possible.

In your setup, I see the motor as the primary source, the wheel as the time-variant storage medium and the generator as a load. If the energy return, seen as a negative resistance, from the parameter change of the mass, is equal to the energy consumed by the generator, seen as a resistance, you will have only the quiescent load of the system seen to the motor. If the return of energy from the time-variant mass is greater than that of the load, the motor would be seen as a load to the mass and be forced to rotate faster, while at the same time a load is being powered by the generator.

This phenomena isn't limited to electrical and mechanical systems. It applies to EVERYTHING that involves the movement of energy through a time-variant storage medium, this being the primary requirement of SVP. ANYTHING that engenders a changing "storage" parameter can manifest the phenomena in two different ways. The first, a gain in energy at a specific point in the cyclic energy movement. Which is usually seen during the return quarter period of the cyclic energy movement, whereby the energy being returned is greater than that which was stored. Thus a second "source" has to be present in the circuit, this being from the changing storage parameter. The second, a loss of energy not attributable to any known orthodox form of energy loss. Which is also seen during the same return quarter period, but in this case, as less energy returned than that which was stored. This loss IS NOT accountable with the LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY, there is no known "sink" for the divergence of energy to be accountable, in the normal sense. It is accountable when the external "source" for the gain "switches" to be come an external "sink", the dissipation of this energy isn't normal and thus defies all logic when not examined properly. Look up James F Murray, he built a motor that developed this form of loss and under a grant given to him by the Franklin Institute studied this phenomena under supervision of the head teacher of the Moor Institute. In the end, they concluded that there was a new form of energy loss totally uncountable for with standard concepts. Whats to gain from all of this, is that if you can impart excess energy in an unusual way you can certainly take away energy in just as unusual a way.

To conclude, the loss or gain in energy are BOTH seen from the same phenomena, parameter change of a time-variant storage element. So if you see a loss, don't fret, simply invert or reverse the parameter change cycle and you will see a gain in returned energy.

Hope that helps put a clearer picture on what I believe you are attempting to accomplish. However, I don't claim to be correct in anything I have said, nor do I claim your description is wrong either. I simply wanted to pass along what I thought.

Garrett M

P.S.

Some helpful people to look into are Eric P Dollard and Charles Proteus Steinmetz. Look up hysteresis and reactance machines.

[citfta]

Hi SkyWatcher,

I am curious as to why you think the left side would be heavier. Let's look at things from the perspective of the pivot points. Lets call the left side pivot A and the right side pivot B. You stated you thought the left side would be heavier because the weights were vertical. But the total weight on pivot A is still the sum of the top and bottom weight. And the total weight on pivot B is the sum of the right and left weights on that pivot. If all 4 weights on the two arms are the same then the wheel is always going to be balanced no matter what position the arms are in.

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Hi folks, I had another idea, this method uses two separate balanced weighted wheels on either side of a main wheel.
The idea is, that it would take far less energy input to rotate each of these into the proper position at the right time, to create an unbalanced overall wheel tapping gravity.
I think the left side of the wheel shown in the cad pic may be the position to cause an unbalanced condition.
Let me know if you folks see any flaw in this thinking, as i have not built a test model yet and the only sure way of knowing will be to build it, which will not be difficult.
peace love light
tyson

Respectfully,
Carroll

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi carroll, thanks for your reply.
You may be right, I really was not thinking about it from the pivot points of the outer wheels, so it may be balanced either way in that setup.
What did you think about the first idea, do you see that as a possibility as described.
Thanks again all.
peace love light
tyson

[citfta]

I think the first idea may be doable. It will take a lot of experimenting with the amount of weight and the amount of power it takes to overcome the sticking points but I like the idea. I do think it is probably possible to make some kind of machine to harness the power of gravity just like there is probably some way to take advantage of the power of magnets. I just don't know how to do either.

Later,
Carroll

[FreeLunch]

Just Curious

Skywatcher,

I've been entertaining this same idea for a day or so and finally "googled" 'asymmetric wheel weighted arm' (or something very similar) and this thread came up. Have you investigated this notion further?

Just checking in - no need in me reinventing the wheel (in this case literally!) if you've pursued it to a negative conclusion and can provide a "why not"!

Thanks!

[Rubberband]

well, I don't know

My A-wheel uses a timing center centrifically controlled....could just be wrong though...Title07.mpg - YouTube Not only do the swing weights move in from counter-balance arms, but the counter-balance arms are on an over center angle that pulls them back up towards center on upswing as a second off balance weight system. This is a two way unbalanced wheel in one. It cause a swing set type weight pivot like the forces in a playground swing set.

[Guruji]

Once I had this idea that some told me does not work.
I'm still positive on this:

[FreeLunch]

Once I had this idea that some told me does not work.
I'm still positive on this:

Yes, that's very similar to what I'm thinking - seems like there must be some advantage to be had with a setup like that. Perhaps when the weather gets better I'll try to piece something like that together and see what's what. I'm thinking that the spacing of the levers may be important so as to have one giving the wheel a kick just as it begins to pull the spent counterweight up the backside of it. Not sure. Another key ingredient may be length of the levers (levers/throws/counterweights I'm using interchangeably to mean the weighted momentum enhancers) and how that plays into the whole dynamic. For me, thought experiments are very useful, but far from flawless. I'm going to have to rig this up before I make any real progress. =O)

[Guruji]

Yes, that's very similar to what I'm thinking - seems like there must be some advantage to be had with a setup like that. Perhaps when the weather gets better I'll try to piece something like that together and see what's what. I'm thinking that the spacing of the levers may be important so as to have one giving the wheel a kick just as it begins to pull the spent counterweight up the backside of it. Not sure. Another key ingredient may be length of the levers (levers/throws/counterweights I'm using interchangeably to mean the weighted momentum enhancers) and how that plays into the whole dynamic. For me, thought experiments are very useful, but far from flawless. I'm going to have to rig this up before I make any real progress. =O)

The pulleys should be big as possible for greater unbalance. Another thing try to use pulley belts like those in printers for lesser friction.
Note that center pulley is fixed to wheel.
I had posted a vid in the past to show the context:
Easy Gravity Wheel - YouTube
Yes this will work cause it's like a bessler but with mechanics involved.