- 5x More Current Out Than In - Validation Of Proof Of Concept -

[GSM]

I'm using a ~21m length of copper wire, approximately 1mm thick. The antenna is at least 10 feet from the ground. The wire is currently strung in an east / west orientation.

To capture atmospheric ions it must be bare wire.
Need not be copper. Zinc coated steel fence wire will be good.

Success requires patience, concentration and a never give up attitude; looks like you have these attributes by the sackfull SoundIceUK !

Couldn't help but smile when someone brought up the MIB comment, for they don't all dress in black, and they are not all men !

Cheers ........... Graham.

[john_g]

Thanks

@ john_g

Thank you for taking the time to post this very interesting information.

Thanks Paul

When my scanner starts to play again(don't we love twain drivers?) I will post up some info about adding negative resistance to tank circuits. If we can get rid off the resistance in a tank circuit then the oscillations will keep going - may be useful.

Regards

John

[ewizard]

From my basic understanding a simple experiment can be carried out using an antenna, earth grounding rod and mystery coil to find out what voltage can be measured peak to peak for your elevation.

This will allow you to improve your earth ground and higher surface area antenna design and measure the day to day fluctuations.

Those with scopes will be able to monitor frequencies in there area with tuning added.

Look for the frequency on this page - 1.094mhz

http://www.energeticforum.com/203073-post31.html


We believe this photograph of Moray shows the back of his device and that he is tuning his antenna.




Here is some of the more recent research for those who are interested.


Sire of time (keeper of time)

Saturn, Source of Measure


Old Father Time

Old Father Time


Discovery
Immediately after the discovery of Jupiter's decametric radio emissions in 1955, attempts were made to detect a similar emission from Saturn, but with inconclusive results. The first evidence that Saturn might have an internally generated magnetic field came in 1974, with the detection of weak radio emissions from the planet at the frequency of about 1 MHz.

Magnetosphere of Saturn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Saturn Radio Noise

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9hdzmh7k4...%20noise.mp3?m

The Radio Sun

The Radio Sun

This is a picture of the inside of Moray's box although I believe this may have been after some parts were removed:

[john_g]

Great Inside Pics

Hi Ewizard

Good find on the pics inside Morays device - do you have them in a higher resolution?

Regards

John

[UncleDave]

What happens with a Tunnel Diode. It works off of it's negative resistance as a VHF and Higher frequencies. It had very Low Noise.

UncleDave

[soundiceuk]

Nice find ewizard

I wonder if Moray was doing a Don Smith by showing the inside of his box but not certain very important connections? In this case the antenna and earth

Infact, if the arrows are pointing to the same point, then the holes for the antenna and earth have yet to be drilled in the wooden case.

I cannot make out if that is a variable air capacitor in the corner or not. It doesn't look like the others if it is.

[soundiceuk]

Here is the first test with no input other than earth and ground connections. This is not the schematic I originally drew and it's more similar to the 2.6 verson or more precisely a transistor driven regenerator. This one is using both coils of the mystery coil set up, the 25 is used as the power rail where the 50 turn coil is the antenna side. I know flimbsy description but I'd rather not get too detailed at the moment as it is going to change as I play with it...

The first scope shot is with no load on the output coil and produces spikes over 400 volts. I stopped using my scope with the circuit unloaded as soon as I saw it fill the screen...



Notice all the wide band peaks from below 400khz to over 1.7Mhz, it's actually running at 1.083Mhz but is ringing at 22khz go figure... the transistor really hammers the first "ping" then it rings down...

The next one is loaded with 8 - 3.7 volt 10mm ultra bright LED's wired in series on an AV plug and the antenna connection is in the middle of the the series ( 4 pos 4 neg ).



A nice smooth wave form but look at the 1.084 Mhz peak - ultra wide band ranging again from around 400khz to 1.7Mhz with other harmonics poping up down the line.

Not to shabby for a ground/antenna input... I am especially impressed by the HV output I am getting - didnt' expect to see that... More testing to come on this one... I'll do a rough schematic when I get some time...

[Regster]

Sorry, I don't speak Oscilliscope.

Are you saying that you are lighting up 8 LEDs with nothing but the ariel and a ground connection?

[soundiceuk]

Sorry I should have labelled that post as - PRIVATE ENGINEER -

Yes, he is lighting 8 leds from just a antenna and earth grouding rod.


Here is a video of another private engineers scope just attached to his antenna.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/1.094mhz.mp4

[Regster]

No batteries, the LEDs stay on for an indeterminable time and no part of the circuit could be viewed as a battery?

[soundiceuk]

No batteries, LEDs stay on and this can also be achieved with ground currents from two grounding rods.

Is the earth is a spherical capacitor?

[Regster]

You'll have to excuse my ignorance on the general topic, for some reason this particular one got me interested. I did waste around a day of my life reading about the heat induction thing from that South African lady, so once bitten twice shy.

Are you saying that with two ground connections and no extra devices along the lines of the ones we are discussing that we can indefinitely light up X amount of LEDs?

[soundiceuk]

We are going off on a tangent slightly but yes, it is possible to light up LEDs using ground currents. You need really decent earths though.

A grounding rod from a hardware store and a bag of this would greatly improve the connection.

Gas Tube Surge Arresters, Gas Discharge Tube and SAN-EARTH Conductive Cement



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SAN-EARTH is also effective in building vertical electrodes. Typically installed as a slurry around the electrode in a hole 3-6 inches in diameter, SAN-EARTH ground enhancement material molds itself to the walls of the hole and hardens. Ideal contact with the surrounding soil is achieved and the diameter of the electrode effectively equals the diameter of the hole.

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SAN-EARTH electrodes provide the low resistance ground that is essential to any lightning protection system. Good grounds are possible even where soil resistivity is high. SAN-EARTH grounding electrodes are economical, environmentally safe and permanent.

[ewizard]

Hi Ewizard

Good find on the pics inside Morays device - do you have them in a higher resolution?

Regards

John

Unfortunately no that was the highest resolution of that pic I had. I might have some others hidden away somewhere that I got when Moray's son John was selling the original boxes (minus some parts). Bruce knew about this and I think that's how I got the pictures and saved them from the ad. But at the moment I can't find any others.

[soundiceuk]

Bruce told me about the Craigslist advert back in April 2012. Coincidently the topic has been very recently discussed.

Historical Tesla-Moray Receiver - Amazing - $8101 (Salt Lake City)

T. Henry Moray -- the great Utah inventor who discovered how to capture "Radiant Energy", -- in accordance with theories of Nikola Tesla, filed a patent application for this pre-transistor-like concept, and performed public demonstrations utilizing this same apparatus! "Swedish Stone" is not included -- and other internal pieces also missing -- "what you see" is what you get!!

Read about this amazing history at any of the following links:

Free Energy | T. Henry Moray

The Tom Bearden Website

The Sea of Energy by John E. Moray

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Great Historical significance! Great for museum, or Alternative-Energy experimenter, patent researcher, or unique invention researcher, or collector!!

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Plan to sell on Sat. July 10th to highest bidder, -- absent previous full-price offer

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