- 5x More Current Out Than In - Validation Of Proof Of Concept -

[Ernst]

If you're looking for a powerfull, cheap and easy to build RF oscillator, look at the attached schematic. This is what I use. A relaxation oscillator build using a 74HC132.
The second NAND is to create a high duty cycle, which is inverted by the driver making it a low duty cycle. This circuit can easily be adapted to suit your needs.
But if you want the FET to survive, you should take heed of the comments posted by gyula (#17) and citfta (#20) in this thread wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention.
I think this would be able of frequencies up to 5 MHz (with different R and C, and without the second NAND).

@GSM
Isn't it true that if you make the Q so high, that the LC won't do anything? It would be too selective, it won't start resonating and you won't get your beat frequency.
(not arguing, just asking )

Ernst.

[Peculian]

Supply a con-man with enough rope and he won't be able to keep from tripping himself up .....
and I don't mean you SoundIceUK Paul, to whom I genuinely send Best Wishes !

GSM, you are a very interesting chap !
In the event you might be right (given the fact you know to explain everything and no one can ever beat you on this) than, can you give something for us to replicate so at least we will not be wasting our precious time and efforts in this project or whatever..
instead of just be a "hard to die" analysis expert, judge the work of others
without even the slightest try, or just sitting in front of your pc ?
Without offense to you I have marked you as one very clever detractor since you first begun to post in Don Smith topic.
I find the courage to say: Do not try to speak if you yourself dont try to do the work. Do not influence others in some sure ways to liberate themselves
from slavery from tbtp.
ah.. congrats to you.. you are as some few others here one of the most sceptics and pessimists of all time on the history of the free energy forums.
Cheers.

[soundiceuk]

Your not fighting for me, I am a Buddhist and we don't believe in that nonsense. May I suggest you recognise that if your fighting, something is not right. Resolve what your struggling with and find the path smoother.

It is a figure of speech realmikel.

Perhaps a better way of saying it would be "I'm still here struggling on" or "rowing the boat".

They all mean the same thing to me. I must learn to appreciate not to type in my home town slang.


Thanks for the support Paul and Peculian

Thanks for the heads up on the OSC Ernst

Thanks to gyula, Ramset, realmikel, zapzap & neo1 for advice

Thanks to everyone for the posts and feedback

I shall be combing the thread soon to grab all the missed questions.


Thanks to Graham I realize you can only take things on face value. I do see your posts as constructive critism, nothing else

I have spent a good few hours working on the schematic of the validation circuit, which is now complete.

Once it has been signed off it will be posted here and in a few other places.

Hindsight shows me that I should have completed this in the first place.

I am desperate to get things moving quickly as I strongly feel time is running out for us all.

[Neo1]

@ soundiceuk

Great response looking forward to your future posts

[GSM]

@GSM
Isn't it true that if you make the Q so high, that the LC won't do anything? It would be too selective, it won't start resonating and you won't get your beat frequency.
(not arguing, just asking )

Ernst.

If it is low Q it will merely synchronise with the local oscillator.
If the tuning capacitor is adjusted to a supposedly lower "lower beat frequency" = higher capacity, then the tuned circuit will merely become phase shifted - NOT tuned to a lower frequency.

'Engineering' have much to answer, and much to answer for.

They have failed to respond to this lower frequency 'beat' scenario claimed for in their 'Research Manual'.

If any genuine circuit has been run by the Ion Energy (Bruce Perreault Group) then why is IT not presented in their document instead of the flawed V2.5 and V2.6 circuits which do not (cannot) work as published.
Why is Paul being used as a buffer to make changes on the hop ?

There is a Yahoo Group directly related to this.

Yahoo! Groups

This is a post today from a member stating that the replacement oscillator circuit provided by Bruce yesterday, is stopped by connection into V2.5.

Clearly this a situation where it is the workers in the field, just like subscribers here, who are the real innovators, so why are subs necessary to pay for blurb available elsewhere on the Internet, and circuitry which does not work ?????

There are some fantastic 'hands-on' guys here at 'Energetic', and because of my already reported concerns about this situation I accelerated my whole-hearted efforts to give V2.5 an open minded chance (even though my head told me it would fail) so that others might not follow the same path if it proved to be a dead end.

I'll just take a photo to show my efforts, see attachment;-
so come on Bruce and the 'Engineers', is it not about time you stopped using Paul as an intermediary and you VALIDATE your designs yourselves ?

[GSM]

GSM, you are a very interesting chap !
In the event you might be right (given the fact you know to explain everything and no one can ever beat you on this) than, can you give something for us to replicate so at least we will not be wasting our precious time and efforts in this project or whatever..
instead of just be a "hard to die" analysis expert, judge the work of others
without even the slightest try, or just sitting in front of your pc ?
Without offense to you I have marked you as one very clever detractor since you first begun to post in Don Smith topic.
I find the courage to say: Do not try to speak if you yourself dont try to do the work. Do not influence others in some sure ways to liberate themselves
from slavery from tbtp.
ah.. congrats to you.. you are as some few others here one of the most sceptics and pessimists of all time on the history of the free energy forums.
Cheers.

As illustrated in my last post I do not just sit in front of my computer !

Yes I do have some ideas which presently I cannot try, but I must go do other things at this moment, and I have interest to see the latest Ion Energy circuit which Paul says is ready.

Cheers .......... Graham.

[Peculian]

apologize

Hi folks.
Hey GSM, I reply here to say that I misunderstood something here. Actually it was a little mistake and I was probably too quick to reply.
So I apologize for what I posted at my last post.
Thanks for your understanding !

[soundiceuk]

They have failed to respond to this lower frequency 'beat' scenario claimed for in their 'Research Manual'.

Hi Graham, please can you give me the question again so I can get you an answer.

If any genuine circuit has been run by the Ion Energy (Bruce Perreault Group) then why is IT not presented in their document instead of the flawed V2.5 and V2.6 circuits which do not (cannot) work as published.

v2.5 is flawed because of the chip, you are correct. Only the oscillator is flawed and needs correcting ASAP.

I would like to compensate you for the eval board.

Why is Paul being used as a buffer to make changes on the hop ?

I wasn't asked to do anything. Infact when I asked if it was ok to post the photo here I was told it would get very controversial. I felt we needed the exposure in order to get feedback to improve everything.

There is a Yahoo Group directly related to this.

Yahoo! Groups

This is a post today from a member stating that the replacement oscillator circuit provided by Bruce yesterday, is stopped by connection into V2.5.

As far as I am aware the connection circuit wasn't provided by Bruce it was provided by the member and Bruce said it should work.

I'm unsure as to whether the situation has been resolved now. I am in contact with the member, so I will find out soon.

Clearly this a situation where it is the workers in the field, just like subscribers here, who are the real innovators, so why are subs necessary to pay for blurb available elsewhere on the Internet, and circuitry which does not work ?????

You have put a lot of work into your build and it looks great. I am going to help you get it working so you can be slightly happier.

There are some fantastic 'hands-on' guys here at 'Energetic', and because of my already reported concerns about this situation I accelerated my whole-hearted efforts to give V2.5 an open minded chance (even though my head told me it would fail) so that others might not follow the same path if it proved to be a dead end.

There are some amazing electronics wizards and builders here, you score highly in this department! I started the thread as the next step to open things up. I know what my errors were, I cannot turn back the clock, just move forward.

I'll just take a photo to show my efforts, see attachment;-

I'm impressed with your build, so is Bruce. Reminds me of Don Smith!

so come on Bruce and the 'Engineers', is it not about time you stopped using Paul as an intermediary and you VALIDATE your designs yourselves ?

Firstly I'm not being used. I put myself in this position and now it is up to me to make amends.

I'm at my Mother-in-laws at the moment without graphics software. Unless I drop down dead or end up in hospital tonight the schematic will be posted today, UK time.

Granted, I've made a rod for my own back not doing this first.

My humble apologies for the confusion.

I aim to turn this situation around as fast possible.

Graham I genuinely look forward to seeing your working build. Infact as soon as you have it working I would like to feature it in the manual.

I can tell you are a perfectionist and love your build!

[GSM]

Hi Paul.

Good to see you are sticking with this because it is clear you have something in mind.

Maybe we should forget my criticisms, and if there is another circuit I look forward to giving it a try.
(Don't worry about my costs - this project is too imortant.)

My view is that the oscillator needs to be more than a radio or computer type BFO, an possibly need to be a sharp rise time pulse generator. Does anyone know of adjustable and powerful stand alone pulse generators offering adjustable pulse width, and not costing the Earth like most testbench types do ?
Is there some place sells these for experimenters ?

Also any output feeding a load should be via an RF transformer with low percentage coupling so that oscillations are not overdamped before they become established, as is the case when a filament lamp is connected directly between antenna and ground. Then, if any circuit runs, the output coupling can be optimised. This has likely been a prob with some DS replications, for rectifying straight to a capacitor also damps oscillation.
Note: The V2.5 and V2.6 are already flawed in this regard !

Nor are we wanting to energise any collection (antenna) wire electromagnetically, so there might be need for impulses to be capacitor coupled and the antenna biased with a DC potential with respect to local ground, this such that the induced antenna waveform does not alternate through zero volts, but peaks and returns to zero, and thereby effectively increasing antenna potential 'height'.

Just a few ideas.

We also need to realise that Moray artificially released charge via the dissociation of matter and he used ion capture via an antenna to effectively generate his electrical output with respect to ground. He was also able to manufacture his own vacuum tubes which generated excess electron flow - though we cannot.

If we had a plasma tube generating electron/ ion avalanche, would this not be a better way of generating electricity without needing an antenna detectable by those who might wish to confiscate such gear ?

Cheers ......... Graham.

[GSM]

Hi folks.
Hey GSM, I reply here to say that I misunderstood something here. Actually it was a little mistake and I was probably too quick to reply.
So I apologize for what I posted at my last post.
Thanks for your understanding !

LOL. If we can't stand the heat and all that, but hey chainmail over a flameproof suit generally works anyway, and ear defenders against those who are personally abusive (though these latter types should be automatically sin binned anyway).

Idea - one of these -
Arcadia the leaders in pet-care lighting technology - Ultra Clear UVC fluorescent lamps

inside a sleeve of this -
Tin Styling Sheets | Homecrafts.co.uk

with just a tiny light gap and tunsten wire wrapped as a voltage biased oscillator inductor over the glass tube.

This might even work as an oscillating plasma tube if all is inside an evacuated (say to tenth atmosphere) glass outer tube with sealing cable entry end caps.

Tin freely emits electrons when irradiated with UVC (and if amalgamated ditto with UVB), and the voltage induced plasma could induce internal avalanche - without need for any of the radioactive source materials banned by TPTB !

Cheers ............ Graham.

[soundiceuk]

As soon as I can I will post a comparison schematic with Bruce's v2.6

I have also included the pdf of the schematic for a clearer printable version.

PLEASE NOTE: Page 2 is additional information on Mystery coils.

This document is in the early stages and my intention is to fill it with validations to help raise awareness of the technology we are trying to refine.




https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33118048/Va...201%20v0.4.pdf


Graham I value your input and after seeing your build, I'm looking forward to seeing what scope you have

[soundiceuk]

I'm a little tired.

I just noticed C4 in the key should read 3300uf not pf.

[soundiceuk]

Idea - one of these -
Arcadia the leaders in pet-care lighting technology - Ultra Clear UVC fluorescent lamps

inside a sleeve of this -
Tin Styling Sheets | Homecrafts.co.uk

with just a tiny light gap and tunsten wire wrapped as a voltage biased oscillator inductor over the glass tube.

This might even work as an oscillating plasma tube if all is inside an evacuated (say to tenth atmosphere) glass outer tube with sealing cable entry end caps.

Tin freely emits electrons when irradiated with UVC (and if amalgamated ditto with UVB), and the voltage induced plasma could induce internal avalanche - without need for any of the radioactive source materials banned by TPTB !

Cheers ............ Graham.

Bruce just said:

"Excellent concept, artificial radiation LeBon style! "

[GSM]

Graham I value your input and after seeing your build, I'm looking forward to seeing what scope you have.

Hi Paul,

What a weird circuit !

I trust you realise there is nothing ionic about this because there is no direct connection with the antenna ?

Also there is only one feedback capacitor connection with the transistor oscillator part of the circuit, so free space coupling is involved here. Hence the battery mass is likely important, though maybe 4x dry 'D' cells can be adjusted for.

Also the coil is 50t, and this must mean it runs near or at an AM MW broadcast frequency ?

Also C2 and L2 are series tuned, so although the impedance will be high at the junction of these components, the end of the antenna will be resonating against a quite low impedance of this circuit.

A charged lead acid battery can easily be 6.6Vdc, and if those LEDS are red the voltage across them say 3.6V, so we see 80mW input and say 140mW output, and a gain of 60mW.

Is this circuit picking up a nearby military transmitter ?

[Neo1]

V A L I D A T I O N 1 v 0 . 4 (C4 and C5)

Ok - C4 and C5 - So I have just gone through my entire collection electrolytic caps and yes they do vary a little in voltage and capacitance, several are in the range of the 3300uf @50v, however nothing i have comes anywhere near close to the 70pf terminal to case capacitance. Most are up in the 1 to 6uf range and the lowest value is 600nf.

With C5 @70pf and being an integral part of the tuned cct, it looks like this is going to be an interesting cct to get to work in its current configuration.

Someone may want to double check that capacitance reading for C4 - case to terminal - as the parameter for this component does not make it an off the shelf part.

Anyone have a work around?

Kris