- 5x More Current Out Than In - Validation Of Proof Of Concept -

[ashtweth]

Hey all,

Thanks for the tips

I only got between 25mV and 50mV on the oscilloscope (10MHz handheld scope) between the antenna and the ground rod.
I connected on to the end of the wire.

Can I connect the circuit to the same ground rod that the house electrical wiring is connected to? There is a ground rod at the meter box that goes some 8 - 10' below the ground.
If not, then no big deal. I know the electrical wholesalers sell the ground rods.

Has anyone considered experimenting using a compact 80m band antenna? It would make for transporting the system to places such as rivers and duck ponds where a ground rod can easily be placed.
Frank's N4SPP Ham Radio home-built SM0VPO 80 40 20 meters compact spiral loop antenna

Andrew from Panacea

[Mr.Whip]

Thanyou Andrew, for the link I was wanting to try a different design antenna this might just be what I'm looking for I've havenot had much luck with my setup so far. At least nothing worth posting.

Randy

Hey all,

Thanks for the tips

I only got between 25mV and 50mV on the oscilloscope (10MHz handheld scope) between the antenna and the ground rod.
I connected on to the end of the wire.

Can I connect the circuit to the same ground rod that the house electrical wiring is connected to? There is a ground rod at the meter box that goes some 8 - 10' below the ground.
If not, then no big deal. I know the electrical wholesalers sell the ground rods.

Has anyone considered experimenting using a compact 80m band antenna? It would make for transporting the system to places such as rivers and duck ponds where a ground rod can easily be placed.
Frank's N4SPP Ham Radio home-built SM0VPO 80 40 20 meters compact spiral loop antenna

Andrew from Panacea

[GSM]

I have just followed this link -

SonoMagnetics™ Online Store
SonoMagnetics™ Online Store

Information relating to the non-functioning circuitry published/ discussed in this thread is being sold as part of a 'research manual' to unsuspecting members of the public at $25 a pop !

Hi to Ashtweth and Mr Whip.
Antennas both transduce small amounts of electromagnetic energy and conduct electrons to recombine with atmospheric ionic charge, but neither process has sufficient energy to make efforts worthwhile unless there is some device within the interconnecting equipment which is radiating non-electromagnetically in order to separate electrons from matter and thereby generate an excess charge which must be utilised via oscillating arrangements before it becomes naturally recombined as a local heating effect.

'Antennas' don't do this, nor do 'earths', nor any amount of low voltage 'closed' oscillator circuitry. Special devices and/or high voltage arrangements are called for.

So I openly ask you Bruce Perreault -
as this thread is related to your published circuitry (which to-date no-one has managed to show running as your writings appear to claim is possible) - what is going on here ?

All I see is money coming your way, and time wasting diversion !

If this is related to the Ion Valve then will you please clarify why you are charging punters, and where you expect to be leading them.

Cheers .............. Graham.

[soundiceuk]

I have just followed this link -

SonoMagnetics™ Online Store
SonoMagnetics™ Online Store

Before I met Bruce in February 2012, the open source platform OSCOMMERCE was chosen by Bruce as an ecommerce package to sell products to fund his radiant energy research.

The site does need some work and I have offered to help in my spare time ASAP.

Information relating to the non-functioning circuitry published/ discussed in this thread is being sold as part of a 'research manual' to unsuspecting members of the public at $25 a pop !

You allege that the circuitry is non-functioning.

No one else has yet replicated Bruce's or another private individual's findings.

Why is this?

From the information I have, I am assuming the earth ground is the major variable that is preventing replicators from producing anything close to existing findings.

I do know a very reputable HAM radio operator is in the process of building his first ion receiver. He is also an electrical engineer.

It is my strong belief that he will be able to replicate Bruce's findings and provide detailed pictures, dimensions & parts list of exact components within the next few weeks.

I thought your build looked special at first Graham, even though your antenna and earth were never seen connected and it seems you expected it to work out of the box without some effort tuning.

You will all soon see that the engineer who is now building is in a different league.

You can then evaluate his findings and make a decision on whether the circuit is non-functioning or not.

For me this is a make or break point because if he cannot replicate and provide the goodies (pictures, parts list, test data etc), then we might as well give up.

So I openly ask you Bruce Perreault -
as this thread is related to your published circuitry (which to-date no-one has managed to show running as your writings appear to claim is possible) - what is going on here ?

All I see is money coming your way, and time wasting diversion !

Bruce didn't ask me to make this thread or is he following it.

I did it myself to promote Earth ION Energy because I believe and trust in Bruce and the direction he is trying to lead us in.

You have put a lot of effort into building something and appear to have given up. Surely this is like running only part of a marathon.

On the face of things you appear to want to help me and Bruce move things forward.

This week I have been going through your emails with Bruce regarding your suggested changes / corrections for the 2nd Edition texts.

You have also provided some great research article links that I have shared with subscribers and the team.

We are greatful for the help you have provided.

I don't really understand you, but I want to. You seem to have avoided my question about your earth twice now. I haven't avoided any question from you.

Bruce isn't living a lavish lifestyle spending the money on hookers and beers you know. Radiant energy research is his life.

You heavily underestimate him because you don't understand or trust him enough. Mainly understand him.

If this is related to the Ion Valve then will you please clarify why you are charging punters, and where you expect to be leading them.

I spent many, many emails trying to convince Bruce to open source everything to the world.

One day I finally saw the answer starring me in the face.

It isn't possible to do this at this present moment in history.

Why is this?

Sorry for being cryptic but I think the answer needs to be thought about deeply by all to see if it resonates with my thoughts.

This way I know I am on the right path to the solution.

[soundiceuk]

What I mean is there are materials which could be easily wiped out making it impossible for the technology to surface globally.

However, if another technology that didn't involve any unusual materials was to surface into the public arena and shifted the current paradigm then that would then be right time to open source Bruce's technology.

I've got my fingers crossed that Mikhail with his gravity wheel is just about to create that paradigm shift.

[ashtweth]

Hey all,

Just an update.

I done a measurement between the antenna and the house wiring earth (which leads to an earth stake at the meter box). I got a fluctuating voltage on the handheld oscilloscope which was between 100 ~ 300mV.

I also tried replacing the generic radio tuning capacitors with quality ones I ordered on Ebay. I tried adjusting C2 and C3 but I still couldn't get the circuit to work. I also used LEDs, not the incandescent lights as the cold resistance is low. Should C2 and C3 be identical values when tuning? I'm still confused as to the role C2 plays in the circuit, I understand that C3 is to synchronize the circuit to a peak noise frequency.

Are C4 and C5 electrolytic bipolar capacitors (v2.6), or normal electrolytic capacitors?

I know a mosfet takes less current to activate than a transistor does. Would it be worth using the appropriate mosfet rather than a transistor? (v2.6)

Andrew from Panacea

[soundiceuk]

I have asked the team for some advice for you. I do strongly believe you have a poor earth.

I'm not qualified to answer your questions myself but my own thoughts are:

Just ordinary electrolytic capacitors.

C2 & C3 shouldn't be the same values.

What are you using to adjust them as in plastic knob etc..... how are you fine tuning?

I think the quality of the earth is key to any of these circuits.

I will be posting the latest build pictures in the next week or so.

Should be very interesting to say the least!

Engineers comments today: "Set is now mechanically completed just doing wiring in next couple of days. It's a lovely looking thing."

[Regster]

I take it that replication did not happen?

[soundiceuk]

Thank you for your continued interest Regster

Replication is still under way and I'm absolutely DYING to post pictures of the progress but I don't want to until there are results to share.

The technology has been undermined enough already.

What happens with a Tunnel Diode. It works off of it's negative resistance as a VHF and Higher frequencies. It had very Low Noise.

UncleDave

Tunnel diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the pointer. GSM also mentioned something about a tunnel diode via email.

I had never heard of one before, but I am just an autoelectrician.

What did you mean, what happens with a tunnel diode UncleDave?

[GSM]

Paul
The ultralight aircraft industry survives in the "Liar for hire"[lawyer] capitol of the world,solely do to the concept of the "KIT".


Produce the item in a non functioning form void of certain components that the builder has to source elsewhere, with the final assembly being the responsibility of the purchaser , it need have nothing at all to do with the final intent ...a yard ornament ...a paper weight ... there are many, many ways to do this ,
and when done properly its "Rock solid"!!
Provided we are talking about an "open source" venue?

Don't sweat this part Bud !!

Thx
Chet

Hi Chet,

I wonder if you put an idea into the Ion-Energy Group heads, or maybe this was their intention all along ?

On 10th October there was an e-mail to members of the Yahoo Radiant Energy Group bearing the name Bruce A. Perreault. This writer claimed that he had obtained secret validation of a working circuit, and thus he intends to offer a radiant energy receiver at a reasonable price, though NOT completed receivers !

Clearly stated was that all transactions are to be done through third parties and through an underground networking system, because no public offering or advertisements are intended !
(I retain the original communication, as I do many others stating why versions up to and including versions categorised as 4 - COULD NOT WORK !)

Even though I had not posted anything derogatory on that PRIVATE forum (only here in full public view), the next thing I know is that my Group membership is terminated without reason,
and then I discover that I am not the only one to be ex-communicated !!!
Anyone here still a member of that Group ?
Could their Yahoo Group be part of that underground networking system ?

So, in view of the fact that to my knowledge there has never openly been a publicly examined successful replication of any Bruce Perreault circuit, (please correct me if anyone can show otherwise), see photographic PROOF of non-working 'Radiant Receiver' here -
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...alidation2.jpg

I have only one more thing to say here, and that is -
.
.
BUYER BEWARE !

[soundiceuk]

This technology has been undermined by failed replications.

We should be discussing best methods to make a deep earth connection.

The Radiant Energy yahoo group message reads:

"Good Day Everyone,

The reasons I suspect that there isn't any recent activity on this list is because very few people on this list have built my proof of concept device or if they have built it they couldn't get it to work. Validation of my proof of concept circuit has been proven by an outside source apart from this list. This source has chosen to remain anonymous and I am respecting their position.

I will be uploading my 2nd edition to this list free of charge for all to view as I had promised I would do in the fall season of this year.

I will be offering no additional assistance at this point in time. I'm presently in the process of perfecting a radiant energy receiver that I will be offering for a reasonable price. My time needs to be focused solely on this the development of a high wattage device, without any distractions if it is ever to become a reality. With this said, I will not be offering completed receivers directly for security reasons. All transactions with be done through third parties and through an underground networking system. No public offering or advertisements will be made.

Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault"

Graham you told me that replicators were not getting enough help. I have repeatedly asked you questions about your earth connection and you haven't replied.

Why does it seem that you seek to derail this technology?

[Regster]

To be honest that statement from Bruce does not read well. Nobody can replicate apart from Bruce's "friend" and rather than spending a teeny weeny bit of time clarifying matters he is publicly announcing an underground network (?!?!) to sell little kits, rather than giving the entire world an opportunity to donate money to his proven research.

You have to admit that it doesn't look good from the outside. Where are the videos for example?

Cheers

Paul

[john_g]

Grounding Info

Hi

Here's a pdf I came across talking about grounding. Although maybe aimed at lightning protection it does contain some useful info IMO. Looks like encasing the earthing rods in concrete is good as that will retain moisture and or doping the area.

http://www.solacity.com/Docs/Polypha...0materials.PDF


Regards

John

[soundiceuk]

To be honest that statement from Bruce does not read well. Nobody can replicate apart from Bruce's "friend" and rather than spending a teeny weeny bit of time clarifying matters he is publicly announcing an underground network (?!?!) to sell little kits, rather than giving the entire world an opportunity to donate money to his proven research.

You have to admit that it doesn't look good from the outside. Where are the videos for example?

Cheers

Paul

I can totally see what you are saying Regster.

Bruce has made an exit from the stage for the time being to concentrate on the project away from any distractions. He has too much going on in his personal life.

Bruce has made me the Radiant Energy Group moderator.

I have pictures of the latest build to verify the technology. It is a very special looking piece of equipment but I don't want to post anything yet until there are proven / varified results.

The failed replications have already nearly buried the technology again.


I believe Bruce's / Moray's technology is too exotic to be released with the current state of the world.

We need a simple mechanical non exotic device to change the current energy paradigm first.

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Hi

Here's a pdf I came across talking about grounding. Although maybe aimed at lightning protection it does contain some useful info IMO. Looks like encasing the earthing rods in concrete is good as that will retain moisture and or doping the area.

http://www.solacity.com/Docs/Polypha...0materials.PDF


Regards

John

Great find John!

There are a number of backfills available off the shelf to improve grounding too.