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[dR-Green]

On so-called scalar waves

Let us turn to the Heaviside Equation which is the most fundamental equations in all of Electrical Engineering:

(RG + XB) + j (XG – RB) = propagation constant squared

where:

R resistance in Ohms
G conductance in Siemens
X reactance in Henrys per second
B susceptance in Farads per second

Therefore:

RG is the scalar or DC component that is NOT A WAVE,
XB is the longitudinal or AC component and is an alternating electric wave

XG is the transverse or OC component and is a forward moving oscillating electric wave. RB is the transverse or OC component and is a reverse moving oscillating electric wave

This equation allows for all electrical conditions in time and or space and combinations thereof. The example equation is the dimensions of time (see: Steinmetz Theory of Transient Electric Waves and Phenomenon and also my paper: Symbolic Representation of the Generalized Electric Wave.)

Example:

The air in the room; the room is filled with air and has atmospheric pressure of 2998 mB, your stereo is blasting away, the speakers are creating longitudinal waves having length and frequency and exert a oscillating force centered on 2998 mB (+ or – 10 mB)

RG is the air pressure, a scalar
XB is the sound of the stereo, a longitudinal wave

XG = RB, thus no transverse waves exist (XG – RB) = ZERO

Hence (RG + XB) is what is going on in the room, the disinformers have convinced you that this whole quantity (RB + XB) is scalar, RG is the only scalar component. It is DC and has NO FREQUENCY, no WAVELENGTH and thus NO WAVE! SCALER = NO WAVE - GET IT???

[Duncan]

I looked and only saw an image, I read the text. The COP claims have been made long ago, and still there is no proof of anything.

If you consider asking for proof to be a dud comment then I'll say again, I'll sell you some COP>1000 coils and systems if you like. No problem.

please scoll your screen and click on "start" tis a video link .... if you wish to comment after you have digested the info ... well and good
regards Duncan

PS regarding above eq --- You will also note that although the above basic equation holds good it has been “truncated” from Maxwell’s era …. This is carefully explained by this (according to you) fraudulent Phd in the clip I have directed you to.(if you direct your phenomenal interlect into actually finding the start button) These things are certainly not zero … and if you consider it a wave, I suggest the form would be “mighty odd”

[Michael John Nunnerley]

COP>1 what systems can and what systems can't

@ All

With all systems existing and in the future with a COP>1 are systems that use change. Change is one form of energy to another, be it electrical, chemical, mechanical, magnetic, ambient etc.

The one I like the most is chemical and that is why most of my time is devoted to this. If you want a system with COP>1, then look at this change of state, in nature "plants" have a COP>1 and it is through chemical change. Example of a huge COP are explosives.

Mike

[Duncan]

@ All

With all systems existing and in the future with a COP>1 are systems that use change. Change is one form of energy to another, be it electrical, chemical, mechanical, magnetic, ambient etc.

The one I like the most is chemical and that is why most of my time is devoted to this. If you want a system with COP>1, then look at this change of state, in nature "plants" have a COP>1 and it is through chemical change. Example of a huge COP are explosives.

Mike

Hi Mike I hope all is well with you? Of course in nature and a chemical situation in a natural living state COP>1 becomes even more Interesting .. should you watch the Meyl interview you will see the (non existent) scalar magnetic and electric entity is propelled into existence and mathematically identified this is supported by the work of Prof Frances Ashcroft in the thesis “The spark of life”
regarding the internal human plant and animal communication system … To approach this “wave” that is being refuted … although I certainly don’t see symmetrical .. To consider (if from a radio stand point) .. you would be tuning an antenna system to Infinity rather than S.W.R of unity … a thing of course that is never done in this day and age. As Meyl says himself activley tuning to “antenna noise”
Even active Radio guys only consider a miss match and unity .. To tune to infinity is considered an anathema … A little thought along the lines of receiving power from the Aether would be the reverse of transmitting into it starts to throw light on the matter, Nice to hear from you again Mike !
Best regards Duncan

[dR-Green]

scalar

representable by position on a scale or line; having only magnitude: a scalar variable.
quantity, such as time or temperature, that has magnitude but not direction
maths an element of a field associated with a vector space
having magnitude but not direction

Scalar | Define Scalar at Dictionary.com

You can't have a left-right. It's either a left or it's a right. A left-right is a non-thing, a meaningless self-contradicting word. Just like scalar-wave.

[dR-Green]

if you direct your phenomenal interlect into actually finding the start button

Thank you for the analysis. I use Firefox addons to block crap. I'm sure the play button will appear when I allow some through.

[Duncan]

Its meaningless because you wish to consider it so .. to assume it has no usable power is erroneous just as it is to equate the phenomena to Zero. Consider in your head one magnet suspended over another a'la “pendulum” with poles opposing . It certainly would have no specific direction. Neither however could it ever remain “static” however to consider this random state of affairs “Watt-less”
is obviously wrong. Whilst I don’t claim “perpetual motion” the state of affairs you are imagining is getting very close to it! This effect of tuning to “Random Aetheric noise” has not been considered since the days of transmission by “spark gap” when of course the antenna saw a reverse impedance of “infinity” represented by the open transmitter key.
That the brilliant work of the very Autistic genius Maxwell has been truncated into the “parrot learnt” form you represent above is alas also true it has been expanded again by others.
Not least Eric Dollard and of course Meyl and Prof Ashcroft .. there is of course no “glossary of terms” and nothing conforms to known dogma.
The very same area is expanded on in mathematical and practical terms by Hector D Perez Torres
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/Advan...evelopment.pdf
whilst what you quote is not actually incorrect …It is “shortened and butchered” It is explained and expanded circa page 7 of this PDF
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf
There is of course no glossary of terms and so read … Stochastic resonance, Aetheric noise, Antenna noise as one and the same thing … I assume you have no “plug in” that prevents PDFs ? Or do you and your computer continually run in blinkers ? Before throwing Vitriol around and particularly at scholars and professors perhaps you would be kind enough to read and listen them first .. or else your just going to have to sit on the naughty step with farmhand as just another “nay sayer”

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Duncan

Hi Mike I hope all is well with you? Of course in nature and a chemical situation in a natural living state COP>1 becomes even more Interesting .. should you watch the Meyl interview you will see the (non existent) scalar magnetic and electric entity is propelled into existence and mathematically identified this is supported by the work of Prof Frances Ashcroft in the thesis “The spark of life”
regarding the internal human plant and animal communication system … To approach this “wave” that is being refuted … although I certainly don’t see symmetrical .. To consider (if from a radio stand point) .. you would be tuning an antenna system to Infinity rather than S.W.R of unity … a thing of course that is never done in this day and age. As Meyl says himself activley tuning to “antenna noise”
Even active Radio guys only consider a miss match and unity .. To tune to infinity is considered an anathema … A little thought along the lines of receiving power from the Aether would be the reverse of transmitting into it starts to throw light on the matter, Nice to hear from you again Mike !
Best regards Duncan

Hi Duncan

And I hope you are well too. I for one am as always fighting the "system", it wants to burry me, but I keep fighting on, albeit in a quiet form at the moment.

I hope in the very very near future to drop the preverbial **** on the system, I have various projects to publish from very easy molecular manipulation to the more complicated, the latter being industrial and the former for the home user. I have taken old reaction methods and brought them into the 21st century with the use of very low energy, and by doing so creates the COP>1 situation.

As you know I worked heavily in RF, this now has been developed into what you might call a land line reaction, Dr. Puharich being one of the first and copied by Meyer.

It is interesting that you bring up standing wave ratio's, I have been able to recycle and reinsert the rebound to create a multiplier to my advantage. This would normally in the science of yesterday be a very dirty system, WELL NOT IF IT IS CONTROLLED, it turns out to be OMO white

I do not in anyway believe I am the first to do something like this, but I think the first to put it in a form that anybody with a little electronic and engineering background could do.

Confusion, like what some like to do in these forums, is what I use to break molecules, and when confused it is easy to HIT THEM OVER THE HEAD and break that head open.

I like the Meyl interview, thanks for posting it as I had not seen it. I hope you are keeping the fox's away from your back yard!!!!

Mike

[dR-Green]

I never said there's no usable power. I've watched every Meyl video that was available at the time, I haven't seen any proof of COP>1000/efficiency 1000% or whatever he says. All the university access to test equipment and we see nothing. If it's 1000% efficiency then it should be pointed out that Tesla himself said it will never be possible to go beyond 100% efficiency.

If not subscribing to the dogmatic gospel of the gurus makes me a nay sayer then so be it. But I assume you're unaware of some of the projects I've worked on so I'm afraid it doesn't wash. The irony is that more often than not I've seen more with my own eyes relating to the subject than the people who insist on playing the "doubter" card as a defence, they've only seen it through youtube. I've been the transmission line, a little bit closer to the action than the youtube enthusiast. I've seen and done plenty of supposedly impossible things, much to the dismay of knowledgeable people who observed disapprovingly and in shock. On one occasion the nearest electronics engineer looked disgusted as I held one pole of a coil in my left hand and a 75 watt fluorescent tube lit up in my right hand. Guess what. I still question Meyl. Just because he wears a nice suit and is one of the rare few who have lengthy lectures on youtube where we can listen to what we want to hear said about Tesla, doesn't make him right. That's what makes it all the more dangerous. The audience is enthusiastic and receptive to the point that they'll believe any old crap as long as it keeps coming, and call anyone who questions it a doubter. And so the disinfo conspiracy begins, or continues. Operation distract from Tesla's real work at all costs. That seems to be the game that 99% of Tesla enthusiasts are playing.

Also, user T-rex who I quoted above = Eric Dollard. He will be the first to tell you to throw the Meyl toys in the trash.

Thanks for the video anyway, it will make some good viewing tonight But his claims still require proof.

[Duncan]

Even considered from a high voltage transmission line aspect the same situation exists, of course the language is different and the “mental picture” that we all carry around in order to allow us to operate is different but the Aetheric effect is still very much in evidence. Even the operation of the humble transformer is not fully explained! The operation of the rotoverter has a very convincing step by step development demonstrated from the outset by the operation of a loosely coupled transformer.
TV-part I - YouTube
The language teaching and “aspect” of a radio engineer and a heavy power engineer are entirely different however one man’s KVAr, watt less component and Power factor is another’s SWR and antenna Impedance (IMHO) many years ago it used to be common (at least in this country) to use synchronous motors driven up to speed by donkey motors in order to make use of reactive power locally and correct Power factor.
The Radio engineer is of course is trying to promote packets of focused energy to fly off into the aether , The grid worker would much rather it didn't occur and tries (unsuccessfully) of course to prevent it
Fluorescent Lights under High Voltage Power Lines! - YouTube
The radio engineer does have a slight advantage in that another magnetic Phasor is injected in the “metal picture” in order to explain this extra dimension.
In both cases it is when a machine is driven and tuned to PF = 0 or a standing wave tuned to infinity that this huge influx of energy occurs. In practice both trades are taught to avoid these conditions
never mind to precisely tune to and hold the situation.
Given that officially the linear wave does not exist regardless of the fact that all of these folks demonstrate that it does, there are at least four dimensions that are not accounted for electric and magnetic components at stochastic resonance being the ones of interest to the COP>1 researcher.
You do quote EPD who's one of my favourite forum members .. however with very few exceptions all of these guys are pointing at the same effect all be it that they are arriving by different methods and using different language.(IMHO)

[Farmhand]

Hi again Farmhand .. I note that the thread is opened to discuss the forum in general and as you know I have stated elsewhere that I have a jaundice view of your contributions , Like Matt I ponder why If you have convinced yourself that COP>1 isn't possible after many years on forum why you should still Dally here ? After all there are many forums dedicated to to standard electronic hobby construction of the ohms law variety.
Many here have witnessed and built systems that run COP > 1 even if they are having a huge amount of difficulty replicating or explaining the operation in scientific terms after all such a system certainly will not conform to standard dogma.
If one assumes that the hundreds of people who have demonstrated COP > 1 systems are not liars or con men where does that lead us ? To what sort of level must OU forums and platforms just like this one be monitored and infiltrated by paid agents in order to alter the trend of thought and miss direct and suppress the investigation ? It is my opinion that the figure must be huge and with out rancour I have personally put you in this category. You are certainly very adept at taking the wind out of peoples sails ! (which I of course view as your “day job”)... leading us a dance
It is noted and well known Farmhand that folks who develop and demonstrate very efficient COP>1
systems certainly can't look forward to a profitable future, Indeed It rather seems to me that in the “land of the free” they are very lucky if they manage to stay alive for a short time. As demonstrated here by these guys having a good giggle over the inevitable slaughter of Stan
Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube
Note The fate of the running “looped” RV system
Rotoverter Technology was OU before ORBO one.
All in all if an inventor develops a replicable efficient system the very last place to post full construction details would be in the wolfs den!
Again Its very much a case of personal conjecture but I rather think the world political power and financial systems follow the patterns pretty much laid out in the following quite aged clips and films
The Energy Non-Crisis
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - YouTube
EndGame HQ full length version - YouTube
I have already seen some of your construction work farmhand and am impressed, I also note that you have spent spent a deal of study time on “Tesla” In the doubtful event that you really haven’t seen any of these systems from Bedini's Monopoles to Tesla's linear wave systems exhibiting COP>1 tendencies then I recommend that you buy the Tesla Kits and tuned systems constructed by the graduates and sold under a “no profit” licence by Prof Meyl via the Universities demonstrating a COP of +1000%
as outlined in this film.
Prof. Konstantin Meyl the New Tesla on Vimeo
I rather hope that you will find the courage to “turn coat” and become a force for advancement and good... after all the dam walls are about to give way anyway despite the efforts of your Ilk

Duncan I'm going to be frank with you, I don't care what catagory you put me
into. Why would I ? I consider you to be a distractor from the truth so what.
For what it is worth you are wrong about me, and I don't take kindly to the
accusations. But you are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

Meyl is full of it. I see no extra energy from his setup, he just claims it, he
doesn't show it, I don't believe him. I can already do similar things as Meyl
can and at higher power levels. I agree with Eric on that, throw Meyls toys in
the rubbish and do study and build your own resonant transformers. I
recommend you buy the kit and show the C.O.P. over 1 with proper
measurements if it is so convincing to you. The onus of proof is on the
claimants. Otherwise anyone can say anything.

Anyway I don't see why it is so important that I should believe things without
sufficient evidence. I'm not interested in what you say of others work, show it
yourself if you say it is possible.

People have opinions, fair enough, so do I. I never said I don't believe extra
energy can be harvested, it can, it's just that many of the claims have no
merit.

If people have the wind taken from their sails by what I say then the sails
were probably full of hot air blown by a guru.

As far as I'm concerned you have repeatedly accused me of being a paid
disinformant in public, which is bordering on Libel, I can prove I am not a paid
disinformant if I want, but I don't see why I should. I think your just trying to
wind me up, and it won't work.

No one should feel as though they need to satisfy me, if they really have "OU"
or whatever then what I say couldn't possibly make them not have "OU".

It seems like you want censorship. No adverse opinions allowed ? Only posts
following the party line are acceptable.

I don't share my experiments for comments, I do it because I think others might
see something interesting to them. Why am I posting on the boards ? Because
I'm interested in free energy and the truth. It wouldn't be prudent to ignore all
claims of extra energy, if I did I might miss the real thing if it comes along.

Anyway your entitled to your opinions. As am I.

I'm aware of all the conspiracy angles. As far as I can see no free energy will
make a lick of difference while the central banks run the governments. The
real problem is with the lack of understanding by the general public of the
corrupt monetary system. People complain of the suppression but it is our
tax dollars that help fund it.

And yet all the dodgy claims have not made the public aware of free energy.
But they are not suppressed. What is the good of them ? A dodgy claim is
about as good as a false one, it has the same effect, it gives the free energy
a bad name. In my opinion all the dodgy claims are a form of suppression in
themselves. So I feel they should be questioned by us for our own good.

Cheers

P.S. Calculations of C.O.P. over 1 are useless, we cannot power a light globe
with a calculation. Proof is in doing it, not in calculating what "should" happen if
nothing was "overlooked". Why calculate when we can measure and have no
doubt ?

..

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt, You made an assumption. Just because a setup doesn't harness extra
energy doesn't mean it doesn't work for me.

No, I didn't assume anything. You have never even explored anything that might even hint free energy. So either you came here looking and it didn't work for you, or you came here trying to discourage others from looking with your critiques of peoples work. But you have no background or validity to even look at the work.
Thats not an assumption..

Reminds me of that clown SeaMonkey. But after looking around I see where the parallels come from. He finally found a friend. LOL

And now I know how it is with you, I realize that maybe helping you with something so you can see first hand proof, would probably just be waste of my time. I regret even waisting the time thinking about it.

Cheers
Matt

[s e t h]

spikes?

can someone explain to me how a dc pulse circuit through a nice coil, for instance, can create voltage spikes many multiples larger than the source voltage?
i mean the resistance in the coil should be somewhat equivalents, whether voltage is applied or removed, so how does the magnetic field supposedly collapse so rapidly as to create a spike?
cemf should also be more or less equivalent while building or collapsing the field should it not?
if someone can explain how a say 12V built field can deliver say a 240v spike from the same coil at initiation of collapse i'd like to hear it please.

[Matthew Jones]

can someone explain to me how a dc pulse circuit through a nice coil, for instance, can create voltage spikes many multiples larger than the source voltage?
i mean the resistance in the coil should be somewhat equivalents, whether voltage is applied or removed, so how does the magnetic field supposedly collapse so rapidly as to create a spike?
cemf should also be more or less equivalent while building or collapsing the field should it not?
if someone can explain how a say 12V built field can deliver say a 240v spike from the same coil at initiation of collapse i'd like to hear it please.

I am not exactly sure what the engineering definition of them are. They do not have an exact math but they figure it close for the size of the spike so they can range protection. As far as a big coil ramping up voltage that is easy to find info. See Buck, Boost circuit, wikipedia.

Physics (Quantum physics) gets into when you start talking about magnetism, material magnetism, particle effects, and particle acceleration. Basically you can look at a magnetic field like a balloon. You blow it up and in the process, charged particles attract and are compressed together into a mass of charged partial. When the field collapses those particle cut the flux of the copper windings and create a voltage. Just like magnet would.

The same thing happens in super colliders on a limited basis because the process is the very same thing except in reverse. You use a magnetic field from a coil to condense particle into a path way and make them go in a circle until they are near the speed of light then they throw the whole thing in reverse, for lack of a better term, and smash the particle. But in the process the coil just ahead of the current may get charged from the racing particles and create a transient. Of course they get rid of it real quik.

Hope that helps some.
Matt

[citfta]

Inductive spikes

Hi seth,

I'll add my two cents worth here too. What makes an inductor be an inductor is the way it handles changing current. An inductor resists any change in current whether the current is increasing or decreasing. When we apply voltage to an inductor the voltage tries to force current through the coil or inductor. As the current starts to flow it creates a magnetic field that resists any change in the current flow. But if there is no change in current flow then the lines of force of the magnetic field are not changing and therefore stop resisting the current flow. The strength of the magnetic field is determined by the inductance and the current going through the inductor. Depending on the resistance and the voltage applied and of course the amount of inductance it can take from a few nanoseconds up to a few milliseconds for the current to reach maximum limited only by the rest of the circuit and the resistance of the inductor.

Now what happens when we remove our voltage source? The created magnetic field now starts to collapse. As it starts to collapse it generates a voltage which tries to keep the current going in the same direction as it was going before. If we have a low impedance or low resistance path for the current to flow through then the voltage will only go high enough to overcome that resistance and allow the current to flow until the magnetic field is exhausted and the current stops. However if there is no low resistance path the collapsing field is still going to try and discharge the coil. This is what causes the high voltage spike you see. Normally if the inductance is high and has been charged with a reasonable amount of current like even a few milliamps then the output voltage of the spike can go as high as several hundred volts even for a transformer or coil that is only powered by 5 to 12 volts or so. The spike is going to try and go as high as it needs to in order to discharge the coil. If you are looking at a circuit like the SSG that is why the neon bulb must be there to protect the transistor. Without the neon that high voltage spike will go through the transistor if you have forgotten to connect the charging battery. The transistor will then die after a few of those spikes. The neon is the safety valve so to speak for the spike to keep it from blowing the transistor. I hope this has helped some.

Respectfully,
Carroll