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[Matthew Jones]

Well can't say that wasn't expected.

I don't have lay out case or a working model for you. That is happening elsewhere and we'll get paid for it.

But my point is made. You haven't the experience to be taken seriously. And look at you I give you a scenario for one of these accelerating generators, with simple numbers, and you won't even take crack at the answer.
You called it theory and you pointed that I for got "Driven with A rotor". Thats what I call it anyway when you spin a rotor with some magnets in it, in front of coil.

But its not theory, its simple little math problem, well thats if you had ever messed with one and tried to make it work.

And granted their may be people who agree with you, but they are in the same boat. They built a little something, looked at it, watched it run then went looking for answers in text, probably conventional text and conventional text told them something that was only true on a very limited scope, then they apply those thoughts to everything around the subject. They got it all figured out. After that there was no need to look any further. Just state it was useless.

But thats whats wrong with the picture, thats not the answer.

So what the coil put out 100 volt at 10 milliamp fully loaded and accelerates, Add more coils until you equal or gain on the input. Lots more if you can afford the copper. LOL Why then does that not work?

Oh ya what are you going to drive it with, 10 amp bench grinder? Really and expect to get an easy gain. Come on really? With all the other stuff availible.

And what about the other methods outside of the High Impedance realm that create acceleration in a generator. They have no validity? Do you even know what they are?

I'm sure you'll make more excuses, and that OK. I just hope you really don't influence anybody into thinking like you do. Thats just closed and depressing thought.

It must be hard on you to know you can't succeed because fail before you even try.

Matt

[shylo]

Charlie Browns teacher

Seriously , I would really like to see the set-up where a transformer under load consumes less power.
I'd like to put it into conjunction with the 3BGS, along with the charge ,drain set-up.
When you guys argue it reminds me of Charlie Browns teacher,...blah blah..
Such intelligence being wasted ,I wish I knew half of what you folks know.
I try to get what I can from all postes, and I appreciate the time it takes to put forth info.
I believe it is going to take a combination of several ideas to make this work, every idea will have a part.
I'll look at as much as I can ,but that doesn't mean I'll believe it.
But hearing arguments as to why it will or will not work,...well that's priceless.
Matt and Farmhand , I respect both of you, both of you can teach so much,
there's no reason to argue , disagree that's fine ,just a simple explanation as to why.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Shylo

All you have to do is look, for yourself. Don't be discouraged to look because someone says it didn't work for them.
That is why I feel it important to confront people who obviously talk from little experience. They state these things as fact and daily I watch things work that are otherwise are discouraged by them. Conventional engineering is a farse, a lie to an extent and anybody who thinks they are going to find answers in that realm are fooling themselves.
It is important to me to watch you learn, on your own path. Not confined by a box of someone else's perceived understandings.

Once you find it you keep working to exploit further and further, then you get things that are good. You'll see.

Matt

[Turion]

Replication

I have replicated Matt's Lenz Free design. It works. Period. Believe it or don't. It's your loss. You can lead a cow to water, etc., etc.

A major corporation under an NDA is looking at our test results. They wouldn't be spending their time if they didn't see something to this. They are providing materials and resources for continued prototype development. (One is already done, but we are testing different coils---lengths of wires, number of strands, gauge of wire---to determine what is most effective and efficient for specific applications. ) And Matt, who is ALWAYS pushing the boundaries, has come up with a whole new and different configuration he believes will be even MORE effective (His breadboard model is anyway) so I am in the process of replicating THAT also.

This stuff is NOT for the faint of heart or light of wallet. One coil costs around $70 to wind, and their are 12 of them on the current prototype. And when you are trying different gauges, different numbers of strands, etc, you're GOING to be spending some serious money.

BUT when you have it on the bench in front of you and can put scopes and meters on it and can SEE what it is doing, it is pretty hard to deny. Until you do THAT, it's all just talk.

Dave

[shylo]

Lenz free

I would like to see this design as well,
What do they call the stages the battery goes through?
During runs ,the battery goes through discharge stages, and idle stages, and with the right switch...charge stages.(3BGS).
Collapsing magnetic fields in transformers , rotating charge battery,..
If the field that's dying creates an opposite field, ...at the same time it's dying have a field starting at the same time that is the same polarity as the one that is being created....
When testing fields in my stator ,since I have two separate windings , the magnet springs forward when power is supplied, (which pulls the magnet to the right)..kill the power and the magnet snaps back to where it started to the left.
It goes back to where it started ,with power off, because of this opposite field being created??????
Can this field that is fighting us be used to aid us?
Thanks for everybodys' time.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

....
Can this field that is fighting us be used to aid us?
Thanks for everybodys' time.
artv

Yep but in motor its dictated by timing and placement of components. A Bedini monopole is a lenz free motor. So is Peter Lindamens Rotory attraction Motor. Both for different reasons.

Matt

[shylo]

drawings

Hi Matt, If I had time I'd look those up, a direct link would be nice.
I spent the entire day trying to build a com. . Had several ideas fail.
It has to be an almost instantaneous burst of supply ,with disconnect and reconnect of opposite polarity.
I'm trying to build mine mechanical, with the rotation .
Is there a way to do it with a spinning wheel? That is use the flywheel from a lawnmower ,which has a magnet in it and use this to fire a reed switch every rotation.?
You could then add as many reed switches ,that permit, to get your firing order down?
Questions and answers...that's all it should be.
artv

[dR-Green]

Apparently, certain threads and their promise of "free energy" = the swag bag.

Music and Life - Alan Watts - YouTube

[Turion]

Real work…to do

I just finished a test run with Matt's prototype generator.

The current design has places for 12 coils. I have been testing it with different sizes of wire, number of strands, and lengths of wires.

It currently has 4 coils. Distance BETWEEN coils was one of the things that needed adjustment to get it to work correctly, so that affected the size of the rotor.

The input to the off the shelf motor running (the generator) at 1900 rpm's is 24 volts at 6 amps. I calculate this at 144 watts. Under load, this drops, depending on the load.

The output of a single coil is 226 volts (measuring across the open coil) at 2.0 amps (measured with a clamp meter on the shorted coil) at 60 hz, which I calculate to be 452 watts.

The output of the four coils is 1808 watts for an input of 144 watts. Do the math.

When I short across the coils, the motor speeds up.

Those are all FACTS.
FACTS. FACTS, FACTS.

I'm not making any claims about this setup, but when you begin to see what can be done with a lenz free generator, it gets very interesting. Especially when you run it with a pulse motor to reduce required power input… add a flywheel to smooth things out….run it on the 3BGS setup to extend run times and battery life by running off the potential difference. But like I said before, this is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. I imagine I will have somewhere in the neighborhood of $2,000.00 into this generator by the time I finish.

One of my four coils was bad and I had to work on it, and I have many more to wind. RIght now the size of wire, length of wire and number of strands SEEMS to be exactly what we need. BUT, there is WAY MORE testing to be done on this before we are satisfied that it is working the way it needs to work.

What loads will it run? Don't know yet. Will it speed up when I connect a resistive load? Don't know. Will it speed up if I connect an inductive load? Don't know. As I said…. more testing needs to be done. What I DO know is that it outputs (in watts) 12.5 times the input in watts. What we DO with that output in order to do useful work or whether we can loop the system remains to be seen. Today I snapped off the shaft on the motor where I had pinned a coupling to it, so will be working to replace that tomorrow. Every day is an adventure when you are working on this kind of stuff. Little changes make big differences. The material the rotors are composed of which does NOT allow them to flex. The holders for the coils that are rock solid. These took lots of experimenting with different materials, including aluminum, which didn't work, and a couple different designs. But the changes allowed for a gap of just 1/8 inch between rotor and coil, which makes an incredible difference in coil output.

If you look at the output of the four coils that are currently working, and realize there can be three times that output from this device for approximately the same input (since it speeds up under load and magnetic cogging goes away at high enough rpms and smooths out with the flywheel effect) this could be quite the little setup. Time will tell. But I am certainly having some fun with it.

Dave

[Ufopolitics]

I am glad Dave,

I just finished a test run with Matt's prototype generator.

The current design has places for 12 coils. I have been testing it with different sizes of wire, number of strands, and lengths of wires.

It currently has 4 coils. Distance BETWEEN coils was one of the things that needed adjustment to get it to work correctly, so that affected the size of the rotor.

The input to the off the shelf motor running (the generator) at 1900 rpm's is 24 volts at 6 amps. I calculate this at 144 watts. Under load, this drops, depending on the load.

The output of a single coil is 226 volts (measuring across the open coil) at 2.0 amps (measured with a clamp meter on the shorted coil) at 60 hz, which I calculate to be 452 watts.

The output of the four coils is 1808 watts for an input of 144 watts. Do the math.

When I short across the coils, the motor speeds up.

Those are all FACTS.
FACTS. FACTS, FACTS.

I'm not making any claims about this setup, but when you begin to see what can be done with a lenz free generator, it gets very interesting. Especially when you run it with a pulse motor to reduce required power input… add a flywheel to smooth things out….run it on the 3BGS setup to extend run times and battery life by running off the potential difference. But like I said before, this is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. I imagine I will have somewhere in the neighborhood of $2,000.00 into this generator by the time I finish.

One of my four coils was bad and I had to work on it, and I have many more to wind. RIght now the size of wire, length of wire and number of strands SEEMS to be exactly what we need. BUT, there is WAY MORE testing to be done on this before we are satisfied that it is working the way it needs to work.

What loads will it run? Don't know yet. Will it speed up when I connect a resistive load? Don't know. Will it speed up if I connect an inductive load? Don't know. As I said…. more testing needs to be done. What I DO know is that it outputs (in watts) 12.5 times the input in watts. What we DO with that output in order to do useful work or whether we can loop the system remains to be seen. Today I snapped off the shaft on the motor where I had pinned a coupling to it, so will be working to replace that tomorrow. Every day is an adventure when you are working on this kind of stuff. Little changes make big differences. The material the rotors are composed of which does NOT allow them to flex. The holders for the coils that are rock solid. These took lots of experimenting with different materials, including aluminum, which didn't work, and a couple different designs. But the changes allowed for a gap of just 1/8 inch between rotor and coil, which makes an incredible difference in coil output.

If you look at the output of the four coils that are currently working, and realize there can be three times that output from this device for approximately the same input (since it speeds up under load and magnetic cogging goes away at high enough rpms and smooths out with the flywheel effect) this could be quite the little setup. Time will tell. But I am certainly having some fun with it.

Dave

Hey Dave,

Sincerely, I am VERY GLAD that you guys are having GREAT SUCCESS in your Testing!

You deserve this and more, you guys are full time on this project, putting so much time, effort and money...and finally it Must Pay back one day, glad it is happening NOW.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Duncan]

Yes I second UFO there and wish you both well , I just hope it manages to escape into the wider world and doesn't end up buried like endless other technologies we have seen floating by. Time will tell I guess.

[Turion]

This won't get "lost" Duncan. Not by a long shot. That I can promise. Anything happens to Matt or I and the flood gates open. We have some work to do on this and then I imagine a whole lot of folks will get to see it. If it won't do useful work and/or we can't loop the system, all we have is an expensive pile of moving parts. We'll know in a week or so. I've got wire on order to wind the rest of the coils and am looking at a coil winder to do a more professional job. But those things cost money so it's time to hit the casino again.

Dave

[hanon1492]

Hi,
Could you provide a link to Matt's prototype? I haven't been up to date and I even dont know which thread is collecting this material.

Regards

[Matthew Jones]

Its not an open source project.

Matt

[Farmhand]

The input to the off the shelf motor running (the generator) at 1900 rpm's is 24 volts at 6 amps. I calculate this at 144 watts. Under load, this drops, depending on the load.

The output of a single coil is 226 volts (measuring across the open coil) at 2.0 amps (measured with a clamp meter on the shorted coil) at 60 hz, which I calculate to be 452 watts.

The output of the four coils is 1808 watts for an input of 144 watts. Do the math.

When I short across the coils, the motor speeds up.

Those are all FACTS.
FACTS. FACTS, FACTS.
Dave

You cannot be serious. You cannot measure the open circuit voltage
then multiply it by the short circuit current to get output power.
That is completely invalid. And that's a fact.

The output is the power dissipated by a load or useful work done.

Sheesh, no one else even mentioning that is not right ?

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This won't be output but if you measure the voltage across the shorted coil
at the same time as you measure the current that will tell you the power in
the shorted coil, eg, if shorted you get 2 Amps at 2 volts then you have 4
Watts if 2 amps at 20 volts you have 40 watts.

And just because one coil will show a certain voltage or current under a short
does not mean they all will when done at the same time.

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