Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[BroMikey]

Okay here is my take.

I completely understand how much of a shock this all is
when for years people thought another person they trusted
turned out to be way out in left field. I have been watching
this for forty years and have had lots of time to sort this
all out.

The 60's taught me alot because many people used drugs
such as LSD and other psychotropics. Some of them did
quit for a long period but continued to have flash backs.

I learned that 1 episode was enough for some people to
effected for years to come. While they were young nothing
seemed to surface.

In their 30's out to 40's things will change and relapse
comes. Another interesting experiment I did was to ask
what the person did for spiritual exercise. This too
had an impact concerning spiritual actively that has
shown to cause the personality to swerve.

The main thing is that it took me years to actually
come to grips with this reality. People were walking
around who fooled me on the surface so I began
learning ways to find out quickly if a person was
truly competent.

I am able to find out sometimes within a 5 minute
conversation and I am not the only one here on this
forum who can do this. It looks like Aaron is better
at this than I am.

Generally the degree of which people go off the deep
end in conversation is so small I will overlook these
minor inconsistency but somethings are so crystal
clear it just can't be avoided.

Of course it hurts very much to find this out and hope
always takes a hold wishing I am totally wrong. I have
found that in most areas people will appear the same
as the next.

But if you find that touchy subject, all of the cards
fall loosely out of the deck in an unchecked fashion.


The world is not what it looks to be.

[RAMSET]

Bro
I am having a hard time following your dots here

Can you connect them in one sentence ? Or maybe two ?

The
Chet

[BroMikey]

Bro
I am having a hard time following your dots here

Can you connect them in one sentence ? Or maybe two ?

The
Chet

Yes I think you need time to digest what has been written.
Go back and read what others are saying about these mental
issues. I know it is hard to get it all in 1 or 2 posts.

I am not being funny either, I have spent years facing up
to facts about humanity. This takes time to really settle
into your understanding of the world.

Many people have these slight imperfections, if you want to
call it that to where people are not damaging to others so
they seem to be normal in many aspect. They are often
very smart on many issues.

More than we care to see. Give yourselves time.

Love one another is very important, this is the basis of
all law and order. The perversion of the definition of
"love" is where we see the problem.

[RAMSET]

A fount of wisdom ??

I will try to understand your position , It has been said here "these are His own words " [referring to The SA person] as a justification for publishing
all this Puke being attached to the Kids [here and elsewhere]

I ask you ..since when do we follow an example for how to treat children
from a man like this ??

is his the Bar by which we would measure our own standards for the Innocents ?

he did it so its OK ?? that makes it right ? point to the man that has such good judgment when children are involved ??

"well he told all about it so whats your problem Chet ?"

what exactly are you saying here Bro ??

since it has become apparent that the victims of this man are becoming increasingly vulnerable to this crime and the collateral damage ,I would have thought the classy thing for you gentlemen to do was remove the hype
and dump the thread somewhere that it is not a topic at the Kids school or dinner table or whatever ??

but no Chet must have some secret motive ,this behavior of ours is completely normal and acceptable for an energy forum where Kids come to learn...

Mikey
please say what you mean here and stop beating around the bush ?

I came here to see if there could be a discussion around the future
of peswiki under a different leader ,

I did not want to post in the Mentioned thread for what should be apparent reasons !

so Mikey spit it out !!

Chet K

[BroMikey]

I have witnessed enough cutting for one day so I feel
it is time to heal. It is very painful when dealing with
so much Ill will and I am sure you will agree.

Denial and indifference are the biggest offenders
we deal with on such a long list of complicated
subject matter.

Take a deep breath and enjoy your day. This is a
time of healing. You can't keep cutting away at
these ideas without a rest interval. This takes time.

It is easy for me to point all of these things out because
I have had time to adjust. This is a spiritual matter and
whenever we drag out the old skeletons to dust them off
we are under attack.

It's like these friendly fire exchanges tent to jump ship
back and forth to cause more harm than good. I hope
you can forgive and understand even tho no Ill intent
was ever delivered against anyone.

When I speak about these issues it is from a stand point
of acceptance of my view of this reality. I am sure.

Those who are not in the know look at statements as if
they are fiction. Or at best very painful to listen to and
nothing really out of the ordinary is expressed.

This is because we are in a battle on a level most are
unprepared for. This can be the only explanation. Words
are the most powerful force in our present existence.

[RAMSET]

Bro

I honestly don't understand your comments of late.

I have to say for the most part your heart seems in the right place ,
I also have to say that in regard to SA and this forums history

It would seem your heart needs a little time to consider just how far retribution should go?

And at what cost!


Chet

[BroMikey]

This is not my newly formed opinion. I can not change yours
either. So what needs to be done is to have a time of healing.

I am not here to fight you on your opinion but you seem very
strong against others and don't have a problem with using
words to cut your opponents off.

Mental illness is nothing new. SDA is another cult, so is LDS.

I have been kind to you. You are unset?

[RAMSET]

Never meant to cut off anybody !

It is very very hard to speak of these things ,more so from my perspective
Or ..opinion.. as you say.

We are entitled to our opinions ,but in my mind there is something very different about this
Topic and entitlement to an opinion .strictly as it applies to the children involved .

One thing is for certain and requires no opinion whatsoever SA is in a very good place now
And I sincerely hope he never gets the chance to do this again.

Chet

[BroMikey]

Yes Agreed, very painful, especially for those who are
involved. Let me give you another look at how I see this.

One episode I had a man at home who could play music,
got very good grades in schools also a giving person.

One day his family came home and he had his tool belt
on and had removed all of the paneling in their apartment.
He had taken the day off work and no one was any the wiser
til they returned home that day.

This happened out of the blue, according to the family.

The land lord was very understanding and put the paneling
back on. The young man was asked why he did that and his
reply was that he wanted to improve the apartment.

Later he got worse and today he is cared for properly where
people who are kind to him that have all day to watch over
him in a controlled environment. Some peeps say that is sad.
I disagree. This is a good thing because without proper guidance
all sorts of people take advantage of these people.

He can not smoke and drink, he can't drive a car but other
than that he can play games, watch TV, talk to others and
live out a safe life.

The people there like it so well after a while that they don't
want to leave. They remember the uncertainty of their old
way of life and have grown to enjoy their disciplines.

No one knows why people snap, if that is what it is. Some
folks I speak with are plagued with epilepsy as children
and then it goes away for awhile. You just never know
what might happen.

But one thing is true as you have reaffirmed, he is where he
NEEDS to be, and I stress "NEED". When peeps have needs
we often don't want to face facts, this is called denial.

Many family members battle with this denial more so, than an
outsider would, who has a more analytical view of the cause
and effects.

Some family members never get over it, they believe that the
person should be let go free, back out where another bad
event might take place. But the family is often willing to risk
that, promising to oversee the weaker.

This does happen in some cases but not very often because
as I said they don't want to leave their homes inside.

The voices say things such as 'YOU ARE THE COMING OF JESUS"
and they repeat what they are hearing from the spirit world.
Many start out in Churches like this," THE LORD TOLD ME " or
HE told me that. Over the years this can lead to a belief that is
real to them but totally incoherent with reality.

Let us rejoice in that they are cared for, they have breath, they
have blood flowing through their bodies, they are alive, they are
happy also just like you and I.

The readjustment is quick as their new life is much better all of the
way around. Playing pool with others and musical instruments.

These places are great.



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1B-okG3548[/VIDEO]

[RAMSET]

The head on the pillow at night..

Mikey I have a sincere question to ask you
yourself being a man of the cloth .

are you around ??

[BroMikey]

Mikey I have a sincere question to ask you
yourself being a man of the cloth .

are you around ??

More like a wild man with a loin clothe, LOL. Shoot!!

[RAMSET]

If you woke up tomorrow with an FE device that could save
lives and with the complete understanding and ability to share with others.

what would you do ?

sincerely

Chet

[BroMikey]

If you woke up tomorrow with an FE device that could save
lives and with the complete understanding and ability to share with others.

what would you do ?

sincerely

Chet

I would market the idea just like Dr.P. Lindemann said.

First I would make a small device like a 100 watt light
WITH a solar panel on it to cover my other end. I would
put it in all of your faces everyday showing you on youtube
how to build one all the time knowing you would probably
be on your way out the door to work. Not enough time
to do much with our busy schedules.

I would next put the power pack in a scooter like ALEK.

I would give it away to those who could manufacture
something so their product would be improved and then
I would run for president of the world, LOL.

No really I would need to be careful how I got
out my idea so I could benefit from it but at the same
time the common man could also.

I would share it with you because you care about FE
and could understand it. I would share it with EBAY in
the form of plans to build your own.

In about 20 years maybe some of these ideas would
become known by 400 million people. I think it takes
time and I mean longer than any of us have.

The key to making this grow fast enough to see results
in our life time would be to do some sort of pyramid
scheme where 1 person tells 5 others and each of them
do the same thing so the idea either in the form of plans
or in the form of a small device got out to enough
people in a relative short period of time.

Say approx 10 years you would have reached a few thousand
people who actually are involved with making the idea work
for the people. From there the young people in the next
20 years could make it better and also come up with
more ideas.

I worked at AMWAY, SHACKLEE, FILTER QUEEN, ELECTROLUX
insurance and with any sales company (Even Church growth)
you must work and work hard to keep it alive.

One man can only do so much. You must have a leader who
is kind and understanding to all of the workers and money
or position can not be the only goal of operations.

[RAMSET]

I thought about this reply quite a bit

I truly believe the decade long plan needs some attention, I hope someday
down the road it is not my family or loved ones waiting for a marketing plan
to finally show up at their door so they have what others have free access to ?

honestly..

I was speaking with a friend yesterday and we were discussing this very problem , why do some have such a hard time giving ,actually most of "us" men when it comes to Our livelihood ? and others seem to make it their lifes goal to Take and keep for them selves more than any
man could ever need in a thousand life times.

I have come to a conclusion in my life ..attaching Money to oxygen , sunshine , a drink of water for a thirsty man, or free energy must not be my path.

first things first ..do whatever it takes to save the life ,just as if it were my
loved ones waiting for that help !

this would be the only way I could live with myself and put my head on the pillow at night.

just one mans opinion
and not one made in judgment ,and yes I know it is filled with holes
put at least its a step in the right direction.

Chet K

[alman]

I truly believe the decade long plan needs some attention, I hope someday
down the road it is not my family or loved ones waiting for a marketing plan
to finally show up at their door so they have what others have free access to ?

honestly..

I was speaking with a friend yesterday and we were discussing this very problem , why do some have such a hard time giving ,actually most of "us" men when it comes to Our livelihood ? and others seem to make it their lifes goal to Take and keep for them selves more than any
man could ever need in a thousand life times.

I have come to a conclusion in my life ..attaching Money to oxygen , sunshine , a drink of water for a thirsty man, or free energy must not be my path.

first things first ..do whatever it takes to save the life ,just as if it were my
loved ones waiting for that help !

this would be the only way I could live with myself and put my head on the pillow at night.

just one mans opinion
and not one made in judgment ,and yes I know it is filled with holes
put at least its a step in the right direction.

Chet K

Not sure why you took your discussion about peswiki/sterling here to this thread? I don't usually jump into others dialog but Have thought about this since dave (turion) started the thread Path to real free energy device

Chet you stated "I have come to a conclusion in my life ..attaching Money to oxygen , sunshine , a drink of water for a thirsty man, or free energy must not be my path."

To live a person needs 3 of these mentioned by you, but the 4th is luxury. What benefit is it to man to not have to work?
Surely you know that man is selfish, lazy, and greedy. Inherently sinful to the core. watch the news for 10 minutes. Children do not need to be taught to say, "mine, mine" it is their nature. Children need to be taught to share, "do on to others as you would have them do on to you." So we have the natural state of man selfish/lazy/greedy. This nature does not go away with age, it often gets amplified to the negative.

you want free energy, do half the stuff in turion's thread free energy device: take the 3bgs and run your bedini ssg between the positives or the negatives with a different load between the positives. watch the back batteries charge while the front discharges all the while spike charging another battery. Add another Higher potential over the 24v series batteries and run a load between that positive and the 24v positive as Jettis (dave wing) has shown. I have done it / I am doing it. I believe Erfinder cascades with his device too. It is fun, Friedrich has a series of videos doing this same stuff. no more need to talk about "what if" just do it! on a small scale it can be done with stuff around the house, but it will cost you if you scale it up, give it away if you want: create the potentials and reuse them as they "cascade" into a reservoir. give give give, until there is nothing left and then someone will come and tell you that they deserve your last crumb more than you. I am getting cynical here. Give man what he needs if you have something to share, but the lazy demanders will come to your door if your lights are on and theirs aren't. The problem lies in the heart of man, not the giving away of free energy. Sorry to all for rant, it is off my chest now. No disrespect to you Chet, I don't know your heart. But I do know what Jesus has done for mine, and if I have any to add to this community I will, I am mostly copy and paste right now. Aln