Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[Aaron]

pics not refreshing?

I received a message about some images here not refreshing?

The images look like they're working to me except the 2 from photobucket, but that means those images have issues at photobucket like they're not there or something, but everything here seems to be fine.

[Ernst]

That is what I meant with

* * the mystery of the changing images * *

My remark about UFO's pics was of course "COMPLETELY WRONG".
So wrong in fact, that he immediately changed them and removed the old ones.
Bistander's quote still refers to the old ones....

Mystery solved?


Ernst.

[bistander]

revisions

That is what I meant with


My remark about UFO's pics was of course "COMPLETELY WRONG".
So wrong in fact, that he immediately changed them and removed the old ones.
Bistander's quote still refers to the old ones....

Mystery solved?


Ernst.

One of the reasons I quote posts like that (refer to my post #660 containing UFO post #659 as a quote) is to prevent changes or deletions by the author of that quoted post. When that happens it often means my post no longer makes sense. Little did I know that Ufo would be able to alter or delete his images in my post. I should have known.

Some evidence remains as he didn't completely repair those two images. If you look at the round analog gauge attached to the coil leads in step 4 it still reads +1/2 volt as it did originally when the sinewave stopped at +1/2 volt. It should read zero to correspond with the revised sinewave graph. And in step 5 the analog gauge indicates zero as it did originally when now it should read -1/2 V to correspond with that revised sinewave graph.

These are small details now versus the obvious "completely wrong" graphics originally posted.

[citfta]

Some thoughts for today.

If I wanted to discredit and discourage people from pursuing the idea of Overunity or Free Energy or whatever you want to call it, what would or could I do to be effective in that effort? I think the following ideas might work.

First I would join a fairly active forum where these things are being discussed. At first I would just look for threads that would give me an opportunity to throw in little bits of misinformation. After all most people on these types of forums won't know the difference. They will believe most anything if I say it with conviction. If anyone that does know the difference points out my misinformation instead of responding to the technical question I just attack their character and claim they don't believe or they are over educated and not open to new ideas. Whatever seems to work best for that person.

After I have established myself as a overunity guru then I would start my own thread with some tantalizing ideas about my great device. I would make all sorts of ridiculous claims and use a lot of flowery language to rope in the unsuspecting. Then over the next few months or maybe even longer if they didn't catch on sooner I would lead them to spend a lot of money on parts and equipment to "perfect" my device. Of course eventually as one after another realizes my device doesn't do what I claimed they will all drop out of the project.

So what have I accomplished? Well I have gotten some people to waste a lot of time and money pursuing a falsehood. This of course has kept them from pursuing anything that might have given them some real results. It also is likely that several of them will become so discouraged they will decide to forget about the idea of OU completely and that of course is what I was aiming for all along.

I am convinced there are some on this forum that have this very agenda. Their whole goal is to misinform, confuse and discourage others from the pursuit of free energy.


Respectfully,
Carroll

[Ufopolitics]

Wrong!

That is what I meant with


My remark about UFO's pics was of course "COMPLETELY WRONG".
So wrong in fact, that he immediately changed them and removed the old ones.
Bistander's quote still refers to the old ones....

Mystery solved?


Ernst.

Ernst,


You are under the believe that "everything" is turning around you...and you are wrong.

I did replace those images because they did have some errors, but it was not due "precisely" because of your post.

The thing is, I have done all this testing in real lab work, many times.

And in no way, the action reactions are different IF they are done properly.

Using same speeds to approach as to retract magnet from coil.

And that was exactly what you wrote, they were different by "notably" big values:

While moving in the magnet produces 1/4 sinewave, while moving out 3/4 sine is produced.
The enlightening miracles of magnets....

That is exactly a rate of 1 (approach) to 3 (retract) or 1/4 to 3/4.

AND THAT IS WRONG, PERIOD!


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Hey Ufo,

Please post up the original images and we can analyze them. I saw exactly what Ernst meant and you still don't. He refers to 1/4 & 3/4 of the cycle, not magnitude. That error is one of the issues which were included in my statement in post #660.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Don't let them fool you...

If I wanted to discredit and discourage people from pursuing the idea of Overunity or Free Energy or whatever you want to call it, what would or could I do to be effective in that effort? I think the following ideas might work.

First I would join a fairly active forum where these things are being discussed. At first I would just look for threads that would give me an opportunity to throw in little bits of misinformation. After all most people on these types of forums won't know the difference. They will believe most anything if I say it with conviction. If anyone that does know the difference points out my misinformation instead of responding to the technical question I just attack their character and claim they don't believe or they are over educated and not open to new ideas. Whatever seems to work best for that person.

After I have established myself as a overunity guru then I would start my own thread with some tantalizing ideas about my great device. I would make all sorts of ridiculous claims and use a lot of flowery language to rope in the unsuspecting. Then over the next few months or maybe even longer if they didn't catch on sooner I would lead them to spend a lot of money on parts and equipment to "perfect" my device. Of course eventually as one after another realizes my device doesn't do what I claimed they will all drop out of the project.

So what have I accomplished? Well I have gotten some people to waste a lot of time and money pursuing a falsehood. This of course has kept them from pursuing anything that might have given them some real results. It also is likely that several of them will become so discouraged they will decide to forget about the idea of OU completely and that of course is what I was aiming for all along.

I am convinced there are some on this forum that have this very agenda. Their whole goal is to misinform, confuse and discourage others from the pursuit of free energy.


Respectfully,
Carroll

Definitively that is SUCH A VERY stupid , expensive and time consuming "method" to make people loose interest in the search for Free Energy!!!

What?...are you also gonna spend thousand of USD, Thousands of hours, and making videos and graphics that take also thousands of hours just in order to "discourage" others?

give me a break!!

That sounds SO STUPID, I mean...it is even funny!!...sounds like a joke as an insult to our intelligence!

A much more effective, less expensive, less time consuming method is exactly the one you two, Cifta and Bistander are utilizing on this Forum.

And it is such an old method...that it is even boring to repeat it here...but I will.

Simply, set in the ridiculous and ignorant end, anyone who is claiming or is even opening a thread related to Free Energy.

Immediately this "Establishment Police" will start landing like Air-fighters planes do in a Military Airport in the middle of a war conflict crisis.

First they will "walk smoothly" looking very naive and "very respectful"...asking very subtle questions, where some innocents will fall in their games...and there it is boy, they will be coming at ya with heavy artillery !.

And again, their main "agenda" is to set the "Target" individual in the ridiculous and ignorant side.

Then start "dissecting" the individual claims or the model shown, capturing every single mistake, error or a lack of whatever "really required" according to their "experience".

And so they will show their "credentials" to the Audience, even if they only go as far as a "retired electrical maintenance technician" that has worked for so many "X" amount of years in the "service".

On the VERY CONTRARY, you will never see this "Establishment Police" spent even a penny, trying to show you their own proof on any nicely put together models, videos or even pictures ...but rarely, they come up with very Lousy and ridiculous builds, plus all info they use against you is just gathered for free on line...they are really cheap guys...like their spending budget is very, very low and limited to nickels and copper pennies.

Then we have these "other kind" of Free Energy destroyers, that kind of "blend" within the description quoted above...simply because they build stuff.

It is simple to "notice" them, just because they all share and agree to the same answers, the same concepts, and are even "very close buddies" to the "Establishment Police" that I cited previously.

The difference is that -like a miracle- all their said "Inventions" , even relating to some sort of "Limited Free Energy" WILL DO WORK!!, according to the Police...But Yours will never do...simple Agenda, simple "Team Work" Uh??!!

It could be a very ridiculous wound motor, that only have Two Main Coils, just like the models they use to teach starting kids in Elementary Schools...But, Oh Boy!!...that "machine is awesome"!!!...it is "guaranteed and approved" by the certification from the Establishment Police...so, hey, it can not be wrong!!

And so, many people start spending hundred of dollars and thousand of hours gathering all kind of recycled, used, trashed batteries, searching for that "bad battery" which is the perfect one for the "system" to work, just like a "miracle"...plus old scrap or low quality Chinese motors... but new kind of "specific" wire gauge to start a huge "apparatus" that looks like a giant Showcase Cabinet, that would require heavy duty shocks, a nice Caddy suspension plus some inflatable tires to be wheeling it around...like a Hot dog cart. Oh!...and almost forgot!...get some nice color LED's to flash them out...

Or so, it could be this other guy, playing the role of a "Scientific Astronomer"...that start mentioning about "Cosmic Rays", the evolution of planets and Galaxies...the Sun real behavior, the real facts about heat converted to electricity ...ending by showing off this small "Igloo like" structure that actually does not run...while he admits he still has not being able to make it work...but is working on it to become the "Wheelwork of Nature" using Tesla's name to fill the advertisement propaganda...funny, real funny guy.

As there are many, I mean, many "business smart" people that enter here just to gather info, get help and orientation, counseling, etc,to put together an Invention they just "thought off" ...which they later on, when it is "materialized" and finished, run to the USPTO to "legalize" it. While all your time spent, all your money, just contributed to help them finalize it properly at your own expense.

You will never, ever see them again...

@ ALL THE REAL FREE ENERGY RESEARCHERS ON THIS FORUM, BE AWARE OF THIS KIND OF PEOPLE!!


"Respectfully"


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hey Ufo,

Please post up the original images and we can analyze them. I saw exactly what Ernst meant and you still don't. He refers to 1/4 & 3/4 of the cycle, not magnitude. That error is one of the issues which were included in my statement in post #660.

bi

Bistander,

I do not have the slightest interest, to start discussing with you about my drawings errors on this Thread.

I already admitted on my Thread and here that Images had some errors. NOT HUGE, but slight errors and missed parameters like "Time" on a sinewave graph when it is SO FREAKING obvious that ANY Scope out there shuts Value over Time Graphics.

That is absolutely all Scopes do.

I will make a video about this simple experiment- when I have the time, which is not now- then I will upload it on My Thread.


"Respectfully"


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

I must admit about the "Police" work

Hello,

On the other hand, I must admit that I do appreciate all the work that this "Establishment Police" do...let me explain.

It relates to giving me the strength and desire needed to keep pursuing my dream...and to fulfill it ...yes!

I would also have to admit that sometimes they do remind me of all the "Laws and Rules" that I should have in mind in order to brake and violate them all!

They are just like a "reminder" of all the crap they have shut through our brains...in some kind of a Dogmatic Doctrine.

Thanks to you guys I am building what I am...

And have discovered so much...


"Respectfully"


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

How's this for a theory?

They are just like a "reminder" of all the crap they have shut through our brains...in some kind of a Dogmatic Doctrine.

Like Faraday's Law? So I wondered why you're diagramming and "explaining" it. It has been around for so long and simple enough to be easily understood. It simple and easy to find many tutorials and text books doing excellent treatments on it. Then it came to me. You're going to make it confusing and misleading and unnecessarily complicated. Once this is accomplished then you'll bring in your (Ken's) theories to the rescue.

After all, a couple of us did use Faraday's Law to explain those first demonstrations which you did on your enlightened magnetism thread attempting to prove something else.

[citfta]

Definitively that is SUCH A VERY stupid , expensive and time consuming "method" to make people loose interest in the search for Free Energy!!!

What?...are you also gonna spend thousand of USD, Thousands of hours, and making videos and graphics that take also thousands of hours just in order to "discourage" others?

give me a break!!

That sounds SO STUPID, I mean...it is even funny!!...sounds like a joke as an insult to our intelligence!

A much more effective, less expensive, less time consuming method is exactly the one you two, Cifta and Bistander are utilizing on this Forum.

And it is such an old method...that it is even boring to repeat it here...but I will.

Simply, set in the ridiculous and ignorant end, anyone who is claiming or is even opening a thread related to Free Energy.

Immediately this "Establishment Police" will start landing like Air-fighters planes do in a Military Airport in the middle of a war conflict crisis.

First they will "walk smoothly" looking very naive and "very respectful"...asking very subtle questions, where some innocents will fall in their games...and there it is boy, they will be coming at ya with heavy artillery !.

And again, their main "agenda" is to set the "Target" individual in the ridiculous and ignorant side.

Then start "dissecting" the individual claims or the model shown, capturing every single mistake, error or a lack of whatever "really required" according to their "experience".

And so they will show their "credentials" to the Audience, even if they only go as far as a "retired electrical maintenance technician" that has worked for so many "X" amount of years in the "service".

On the VERY CONTRARY, you will never see this "Establishment Police" spent even a penny, trying to show you their own proof on any nicely put together models, videos or even pictures ...but rarely, they come up with very Lousy and ridiculous builds, plus all info they use against you is just gathered for free on line...they are really cheap guys...like their spending budget is very, very low and limited to nickels and copper pennies.

Then we have these "other kind" of Free Energy destroyers, that kind of "blend" within the description quoted above...simply because they build stuff.

It is simple to "notice" them, just because they all share and agree to the same answers, the same concepts, and are even "very close buddies" to the "Establishment Police" that I cited previously.

The difference is that -like a miracle- all their said "Inventions" , even relating to some sort of "Limited Free Energy" WILL DO WORK!!, according to the Police...But Yours will never do...simple Agenda, simple "Team Work" Uh??!!

It could be a very ridiculous wound motor, that only have Two Main Coils, just like the models they use to teach starting kids in Elementary Schools...But, Oh Boy!!...that "machine is awesome"!!!...it is "guaranteed and approved" by the certification from the Establishment Police...so, hey, it can not be wrong!!

And so, many people start spending hundred of dollars and thousand of hours gathering all kind of recycled, used, trashed batteries, searching for that "bad battery" which is the perfect one for the "system" to work, just like a "miracle"...plus old scrap or low quality Chinese motors... but new kind of "specific" wire gauge to start a huge "apparatus" that looks like a giant Showcase Cabinet, that would require heavy duty shocks, a nice Caddy suspension plus some inflatable tires to be wheeling it around...like a Hot dog cart. Oh!...and almost forgot!...get some nice color LED's to flash them out...

Or so, it could be this other guy, playing the role of a "Scientific Astronomer"...that start mentioning about "Cosmic Rays", the evolution of planets and Galaxies...the Sun real behavior, the real facts about heat converted to electricity ...ending by showing off this small "Igloo like" structure that actually does not run...while he admits he still has not being able to make it work...but is working on it to become the "Wheelwork of Nature" using Tesla's name to fill the advertisement propaganda...funny, real funny guy.

As there are many, I mean, many "business smart" people that enter here just to gather info, get help and orientation, counseling, etc,to put together an Invention they just "thought off" ...which they later on, when it is "materialized" and finished, run to the USPTO to "legalize" it. While all your time spent, all your money, just contributed to help them finalize it properly at your own expense.

You will never, ever see them again...

@ ALL THE REAL FREE ENERGY RESEARCHERS ON THIS FORUM, BE AWARE OF THIS KIND OF PEOPLE!!


"Respectfully"


Ufopolitics

Me thinks he doth protest too much. Especially since neither his name or his devices were even hinted at in my post. Hmmm. I wonder why.

[Ufopolitics]

Like Faraday's Law?

Faraday wrote absolutely NOT ONE SINGLE LAW on Electromagnetic Induction.

Go to your "fine resources" to find the real truth.

So I wondered why you're diagramming and "explaining" it. It has been around for so long and simple enough to be easily understood. It simple and easy to find many tutorials and text books doing excellent treatments on it.

These "Three Laws" were written by very smart and legally very well counseled followers of Faraday.

First Law of Electromagnetic Induction

An electromotive force is induced in a conductor when the magnetic field surrounding it changes.


Second Law of Electromagnetic Induction

The magnitude of the electromotive force is proportional to the rate of change of the field.


Third Law of Electromagnetic Induction

The sense of the induced electromotive force depends on the direction of the rate of the change of the

field.

Did you noticed that in all three laws above it refers to "Magnetic Field", then to "The Field"...and "The Field"...and not referring to any specific and "material" "Magnetic Field Embodiment"?

It is a Legal, as a "general simple way" to write "something" that wants to be "protected" for Centuries as it is "open" to all kind of infinite possibilities...and applications.

Yes, you are right, they have been around for so long...and so simply written...that no one has bothered to read in between their lines...

And yes, there are many tutorials out there...about "excellent" I wouldn't say so...

First thing they all do is get a magnet or electromagnet and start demonstrations...forgetting about "The Field"

Then it came to me. You're going to make it confusing and misleading and unnecessarily complicated. Once this is accomplished then you'll bring in your (Ken's) theories to the rescue.

Not necessarily...

After all, a couple of us did use Faraday's Law to explain those first demonstrations which you did on your enlightened magnetism thread attempting to prove something else.

I will have better ways to demonstrate my point very soon...

Well, unless I keep wasting my time with you, or others, then it will take longer...

But that won't happen.


Ciao


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Me thinks he doth protest too much. Especially since neither his name or his devices were even hinted at in my post. Hmmm. I wonder why.

See what I mean guys?

Their "Play Role" is apparently so "naive", and so "innocent"...OMG!!, Impressive!! really!!

While at the same token, they want to play "funny"...:

Me thinks he doth protest too much...

Real funny...

Pathetic personalities, disgusting Public Forum behavior.

Oh!, what happened?

did you forget the so "ethic" final??!!:

"Respectfully"

end!!?

[dR-Green]

First they will "walk smoothly" looking very naive and "very respectful"...asking very subtle questions, where some innocents will fall in their games...and there it is boy, they will be coming at ya with heavy artillery !.

You know, you had may as well be talking about yourself.

It is a fact that you have single-handedly lowered the standards on this forum. Never before you, or since you, have I come across any individual who will shamelessly insult, attack, discredit and target anyone on the personal level in an effort to get "the audience" on your side simply because that person DARED to question your opinion. You simply cannot handle being questioned in public, as if it's a disgrace. But the worst part is how you deal with it. You call everyone a shill if they disagree with YOU, then you set about trying to attack their character, undermining them and trying to make them look foolish as if you're trying to convince "the audience".

Why?

You probably wouldn't get accused of being such a disinformant if you treated people with respect and gave them proper answers instead of a bunch of insults. You're no better than the people you claim to hate. "BELIEVE ME OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES". Sound familiar? That's you. People don't like it any more than you do. The negativity that you project towards "the establishment", is the same negativity that's projected towards you.

[edit] *Passive and active observation.

[Ufopolitics]

You know, you had may as well be talking about yourself.

It is a fact that you have single-handedly lowered the standards on this forum. Never before you, or since you, have I come across any individual who will shamelessly insult, attack, discredit and target anyone on the personal level in an effort to get "the audience" on your side simply because that person DARED to question your opinion. You simply cannot handle being questioned in public, as if it's a disgrace. But the worst part is how you deal with it. You call everyone a shill if they disagree with YOU, then you set about trying to attack their character, undermining them and trying to make them look foolish as if you're trying to convince "the audience".

Why?

You probably wouldn't get accused of being such a disinformant if you treated people with respect and gave them proper answers instead of a bunch of insults. You're no better than the people you claim to hate. "BELIEVE ME OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES". Sound familiar? That's you. People don't like it any more than you do. The negativity that you project towards "the establishment", is the same negativity that's projected towards you.

[edit] *Passive and active observation.

Well, then shame on you dR-Green!!


Since it was because of you that I joined this Forum...remember?





And You told me not to even participate in the Eric P. Dollard Thread since it was not a good idea because whatever you said was going on there...remember that also?


Yes, I know...life is a beach...and then we die.


Have a nice day...


"Respectfully"


Ufopolitics