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[bistander]

Real or virtual

Bistander,

Basically I meant "Virtual" because it is NOT PHYSICAL...because it is a Massless, Weightless and Invisible Spatial Field.

And so, the word "Virtual" (derived from the Latin Virtuális) dates back since the 1350's to the 1400's Medieval ages...so, applying Virtual to Computers started around 1959...

Therefore, the Virtual definitions includes -but not limited to- Computer Virtuality...so, you should know which one to apply for my meaning:

1 : Being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted.

2 : of, relating to, or being a hypothetical particle whose existence is inferred from indirect evidence <virtual photons>

Above definitions taken from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I would say #1 will fit your way of thinking specifically...since you are of the thought that the "Spatial Field" further away from the air gaps in any Electrodynamics Machines...is considered as being neglected by actual science...and so, the "main and REAL fields" at work for your concepts...(due of course to your Classic Box training) in any of those machines would be ONLY the ones completely and intrinsically attached to their magnetic carriers like electromagnets or permanent magnets Cores...plus their very limited and "tiny" air gaps displacement...

#2 shows clearly we have defined Photons as Virtual...but they exist and are very real right?...Oh, but we can not see them...feel them...or touch them...Uhmmm.......massless, weightless and transparent Photons...same properties as Spatial Magnetic Fields don'tcha think?



Ahhh...Wonderful!!...Now you are starting to evolve into the Future, and out of that Box!!...and that is grrreat!!

But, not only Part G causes fluctuations on the primaries electromagnets...but also Fields expands all the way to the -in between- Secondaries...now can you take a closer look at Air Gaps here between both primaries gap, which are the "Field Generators", then notice this is beyond the size of a conventional air gap in a typical generator ?

Because we are talking here about a Spatial Magnetic Field Fluctuations which Scope is completely beyond the limited size of expansions contractions which were thought to you by classic electrodynamics magnetism...and that is achieved without moving primaries electromagnets mass... not even a millimeter mechanically...



But I love being there..!!...no noise from absolutely no one who is NOT BUILDING like We ALL are!!!

As you will all soon see how from Virtuality...we make Reality...



I really do not understand your underlined, bold statement above...we all must go with the wire through the toroid (or donut) hole in order to wind a toroid...

About leaving some room...making windings a bit loose...I said that on video...as well as I have written about it many times.

What we can not do ...is to make lousy windings like when we cross wind turns or leave longer or uneven spacing between winds (turns)...

But thanks for your concerns Bistander.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Thanks Ufo,

I did look up the meaning of virtual. I still fail to see how it actually applies except in your imagination. And there are real photons. It seems virtual photons are used in some calculations. Here is an interesting take on it from Wikipedia:

Virtual particles do not necessarily carry the same mass as the corresponding real particle, although they always conserve energy and momentum.

If "virtual" things conserve energy then using virtual to describe a field delivering free energy is a contradiction. But just words.... Let's see the hardware produce.

Sorry, I don't follow you about gaps. When you see an opportunity, please point out the gap(s) in the device.

Magnetically, the only part of the coil turn (or wrap as some call it) is the part that passes through the center of the doughnut hole.

You left out the most important word in my statement.... MAGNETICALLY. To the magnetic circuit, the mmf derives from only the current passing through the magnetic circuit, as described by Ampere's Law. The wires circling the outsides of the core are just "end-turns" connecting the necessary circuit to enable current in the active conductor which passes thru the ring of flux.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks Ufo,

Hello Bistander, my pleasure

If "virtual" things conserve energy then using virtual to describe a field delivering free energy is a contradiction. But just words.... Let's see the hardware produce.

The fact that a certain particle conserves energy, does not means it can not influence other materials or specifically other particles within...with the same basic Energy form as they have...

For example a shower of photons hit a photocell...and results in usable energy...however, did those photons loose any properties?...or did they disintegrate by hitting photocell protecting glass?

The Virtual Field is exactly the same thing...a permanent magnet field will keep transferring by Influencing same spins -as it has- into copper conductors...which multiply with ferromagnetic cores...while magnet looses absolutely nothing (conserves its energy)...this is the basic principle of Free Energy...

Sorry, I don't follow you about gaps. When you see an opportunity, please point out the gap(s) in the device.

Exactly the Displacement Distance (moving Center) of the two virtual fields common center fluctuating throughout the Secondary Core axis...understand now?

In actual generators the gap between core to core (material) must be very tiny according to Classic Laws losses in Space...right?

...Magnetically, the only part of the coil turn (or wrap as some call it) is the part that passes through the center of the doughnut hole.

You left out the most important word in my statement.... MAGNETICALLY. To the magnetic circuit, the mmf derives from only the current passing through the magnetic circuit, as described by Ampere's Law. The wires circling the outsides of the core are just "end-turns" connecting the necessary circuit to enable current in the active conductor which passes thru the ring of flux.

Regards,

bi

Oh!...I see!!, something similar as: "The Conductors which produce MMF converted to EMF in a Generator are Only the conductors segments which are Perpendicular to the Magnetic Field Plane..."...So all the rest of conductors segments, -not parallel to field plane- in the loop...are merely acting as "conductors" of the whole circuit...

Right?

But applying it here to Toroid Laws...

I see...


Thanks Bistander.


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

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Exactly the Displacement Distance (moving Center) of the two virtual fields common center throughout the Secondary Core axis...understand now?

I guess so. Distance between two virtual things... so it must be a virtual gap. You'll just have to show me what I can do with the resulting virtual energy. Thanks.

[Ufopolitics]

From Virtuality to Reality...at what &quot;air gap&quot; now?

You'll just have to show me what I can do with the resulting virtual energy. Thanks.

I will show you, of course...You have a reserved "Guest of Honor" Seat, a VIP right in the very front row...

Oh!...and then you would observe very close then decide for yourself if it is "Virtual or Real Energy" there...

My pleasure


Ufopolitics

[boguslaw]

"the extraordinary point about it is that it has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact"

[bistander]

What is it?

"the extraordinary point about it is that it has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact"

Hi boguslaw,

Please tell me what you're talking about. What is it and what is the simple scientific fact?

Thanks,

bi

[marathonman]

What it is

The simple scientific fact is Duel Complimentary Motional Electric Fields.
MM

[boguslaw]

Hi boguslaw,

Please tell me what you're talking about. What is it and what is the simple scientific fact?

Thanks,

bi

Quote from Figuera. It has to be simple.Whatever you talk about - it has to be simple scientific fact.
There was a comment from Figuera imho about Columbus egg but I can't find it. Anybody ?

[Ufopolitics]

From Perpetual Motion:The History of an Obsession

Quote from Figuera. It has to be simple.Whatever you talk about - it has to be simple scientific fact.
There was a comment from Figuera imho about Columbus egg but I can't find it. Anybody ?

That Phrase was from Clemente Figuera, it originally appeared on the Book :

Motion Perpetual: History of an Obsession by Arthur W.J.G. Ord-Hume P-89

It was in the summer of 1902 that the Daily Mail announced from one of its correspondents 'A most remarkable claim, the genuineness of which it is as yet impossible to test, made by Seńor Clemente Figueras, an engineer of woods and forests (whatever that might be) in the Canary Islands, and for many years professor of physics at St Augustine's College, Las PaLmas. I quote:

'Seńor Figueras for many years has been working silently at a method of directly utilising atmospheric electricity, and of making practical application of it without the need of employing any motive force. He claims to have invented a generator which can collect the electric fluid, to be able to store it and apply it to infinite purposes, for instance, in connection with shops, railways and manufactures. He will not give the key to his invention, but declares that : the only extraordinary point about it is that it has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact.

According to letters received in London from a friend, Mr. E. Ley, of Teneriffe, "Seńor Figueras has constructed a rough apparatus by which, inspite of its small size and its defects, he obtains a current of 550volts, which he utilises in his own house for lighting purposes and for driving a motor of 20 horse-power. Seńor Figueras is shortly coming to London, not with models or sketches, but with a working apparatus. His inventions comprise a generator, a motor, and a sort of governor or regulator, and the whole apparatus is so simple that a child could work it ...

It also appears in Patrick J Kelly's Book: A Practical guide to Free Energy Chapter Three (Motionless Pulsed Systems)

And basically that "Scientific Fact" simply refers to moving just the Virtual Magnetic Fields within Iron Cores-Copper Coils to Induce an EMF at Secondaries (Generating Fields) exactly the same way as it has been done -and up to now- but instead, by using huge engines to move also huge steel rotor fields...


Thanks Boguslaw for bringing that phrase from Figuera's, here

Only have to Google the whole phrase and you will have those first hits above...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[citfta]

Interesting Toroid video

With all the discussion about how toroids work I thought this might be an interesting video to look at. A lot of it has to do with the TPU but the testing of the fields around a toroid is educational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2vAMmn2WzI

[Ufopolitics]

With all the discussion about how toroids work I thought this might be an interesting video to look at. A lot of it has to do with the TPU but the testing of the fields around a toroid is educational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2vAMmn2WzI

Hello Citfta,

What I think happens by winding Toroid in the "Mystery" way...is that Flux Fringes out (into Space) where there is lack of winding turns...same as it happens when there is a Core Air Gap.

It also can occur when winding is poorly done (not tight, not evenly spaced apart turns, etc)

FLUX FRINGING

Anyways, this is just my take on this.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Toroid flux

Hello Citfta,

What I think happens by winding Toroid in the "Mystery" way...is that Flux Fringes out (into Space) where there is lack of winding turns...same as it happens when there is a Core Air Gap.

It also can occur when winding is poorly done (not tight, not evenly spaced apart turns, etc)

FLUX FRINGING

Anyways, this is just my take on this.

Regards


Ufopolitics

Citfta, thanks for the vid.

Ufo, not a bad take on it. I think when he uses the iron powder he is pulsing the coil(s) with high current which would drive the core into saturation. Core saturation would cause excessive fringing. However due to the opposing coil(s)'s mmf, my theory is zero flux in the core. So one could say "zero net flux in the core" and allow for localized core saturation? Maybe, but I doubt it.

Here is a frame showing the iron powder pattern of the mystery winding.





In the second image I added a possible area of "N-pole" and "S-pole" as well as my turn count. It is interesting that the poles appear to be outside the coils and core, not on the surface of the core. It is almost as if the surface repels the iron powder. Compare to the bar magnet/iron powder pattern where there is a strong accumulation at the surface pole.



BTW, I proposed this "Mystery" winding a while back.

edit: Weird thought. What if you wound the left half of the toroid backwards from the right side half? Mutual inductance would add instead of subtract.

And did you notice his inductance measurements confirm what seaad posted?

Interesting stuff. Know where I can buy some iron powder?

Regards,

bi

ps. What is a TPU?

[citfta]

A TPU is another of those so called free energy devices. As far as I have been able to determine no one has successfully replicated it. Below is a link to a whole section devoted to the study and replications of the device.

TPU replications

I think TPU stands for Toroidal Power Unit.

[Ernst]

Know where I can buy some iron powder?

Go to a place where they work iron (weld/saw/cut etc.) and bring a broom.
They'll let you have it for free. That is how I got it many many years ago.


Ernst.

[hanon1492]

What I see in that winding is that have half turns are CW and haft turns are CCW (as bucking coils) with a change of winding direction in the center.

Therefore it presents two confronted North-North poles and two confronted South-South poles

That´s sound me familiar...

This is an interesting video. Watch at 4:00 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NDVkjT9mg