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[Allen Burgess]

Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""

@Mikrovolt,

The schematic you're showing is of an LCR resonant circuit and the recommended procedure for measurement with an inductance-capacitance meter. Please explain what bearing this has on the reduction of coil inductance from the spacing of a permanent magnet?

When the inductance meter registers a negative inductance value, it shows that the coil has reached the level
of saturation, and is building a magnetic field at frequencies above the coil's self resonating frequency. The procedure then calls for switching the meter to capacitance to continue to measure the charge in the capacitor in farads.

This procedure substantiates my claim.

[Allen Burgess]

Henrys and magnetic force

@Mikrovolt,

I'm doing tests right now on the effect of permanent magnet force on coil inductance. I'm testing a single wire coil on a ferrite core.

Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

My point all along has been that the negative or inverse Henry is a measure of magnetic force, not the Henry!

Let's say for the sake of argument that I measure an inductance of 200 milli Henrys in a ferrite core, single wire coil, then attach a few ceramic block magnets to each end of the coil and core and remeasure the inductance at 100 milli Henrys.

Now we have minus (-) 100 milli Henrys. The negative 100 milli Henrys is in direct proportion to the strength of the permanent magnet force applied to the coil. What is it that you two fail to understand about this inverse proportion?

The example you copied and pasted of the LCR circuit above would require two formulas to factor the negative mH into electrical units; Henry's law of induction and our Lorentz force law. The capacitor charge in farads has a direct electrical equivalent and is simpler to deal with, or we could use the other factor.

[Allen Burgess]

Quadfilar magnet force and negative inductance.

Here's a practical example of how negative inductance can measure magnet force in an adjacent coil:

The Quadfilar has two series bifilar coils wrapped together. We can measure the inductance in the first coil, then input current into the second; then we can remeasure the inductance in the first bifilar and the difference will equal the amount of field force in the second.

We could also measure the inductance in the second coil then measure the current and calculate the magnet force that way. Measuring amperage can get tricky depending on the amount of current, and rather then risk blowing the amp meter fuse, we can more safely measure the inductance difference in the adjacent coil, and accurately calculate the magnet force that way.

We can calculate the amperage in the second coil, knowing the inductance, with the negative inductance factor from the first as well. These factors should become as easy to handle with a little practice as Ohms law: I=V/R.

The negative inductance measurements will work equally well in the two wire bifilar also.

[bistander]

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Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

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@seaad,

I like the way you equated Henrys of inductance with (magnetic force). This comparison has caused controversy in the past.


"Henrys (magnetic force) as big as possible".

Appeared that way.

And I quoted you in my post #961 and that quote from you happened to contain a previous quote from bistander. Hardly was I quoting myself.

You can't keep your story straight for more than a few minutes, can you?

[Allen Burgess]

Dead AA battery inductance.

I just tested a dead 1.5 volt AA battery for inductance, while fooling around, and it measured a whopping .35 Henrys! This battery appears to have the potential to turn into a very powerful magnet. I need more time to think about this. I wonder how a person would go about that? I'm going to try and sleep it in a stack of powerful permanent magnets and see what happens.

[mikrovolt]

Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.

[Allen Burgess]

Scope shot.

Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.

@Mikrovolt,

Can you upload a scope shot?

[bistander]

Here to avoid posting in BM thread

Sorry to read the above Turion...You are one of the best researchers and builders that I have seen so far around here (besides me, of course..., just kidding!!)...so, it is sad to see you are disappointed at your development.

What we all have to realize is that this is a long and very rough path we are following...it is FULL of obstacles, disappointments and frustrations...but, think about the reward if we succeed?...see the HUGE CHANGE We will be spreading out to mankind!!

But you are right about being slave of this work without making a REAL living...many things get abandoned on this road...many, which mainly surround our lives.

But, you do not have to be that radical...take a brake, play some Golf...get some sun...then get back here...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic. I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic.

Thanks Bistander,

I hope He was being sarcastic and not for real, thanks, that was a relief!!

I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

Regards,

bi

I believe this is pretty similar to Kids and Toys...when it comes to Free Energy researchers-developers and their "toys"...

Some kids like Planes...other automobiles...or trains..or boats...submarines, etc,etc...but, whatever they like, it is very hard to find that one kid have interests for all kind of toys...

In my case, batteries are not my favorite toy...to me they are just components to any system, but do not consider them as the "center" of a Free Energy Device, however, I know I could be dead wrong in that conclusion...but, getting back to "toys"... I never liked Electro-Chemistry at all...

I love the complexity of Electro-Magnetic Machines...wherever they get attached to...those are my favorite toys...well you know that...


Thanks and Regards



Ufopolitics

[Les Banki]

All,

The starter of this thread, Carroll (citfta) has suggested that I post here since he is NOT on Facebook so he can't check the source of the info I am about to present.

The information I wish to share with those who might be interested is about the use of GRAVITY to generate electricity.

Specifically, the work of Kevin Hay.

At different times, I still do regular searches on gravity machines since I have been working on a gravity powered project of my own design for about 3 years now. (almost complete)
(However, at least half that time I have been incapacitated with severe back problems and unable to do much physical work.)

Anyway, during that last search about a month ago, I came across a web site named “greenoptimistic.com”, discussing the 'Pin Wheel'.
I have seen this before but I did not check out the “Comments” then.
But this time, I did.

That is where I 'discovered' Kevin Hay.
He made absolute sense to me, in every way!
(He also blasted the **** out of all the “knockers”!)
He made several posts there, with links to some of his simple designs and he published his email address as well.
Further, he also indicated that he has shared all his simple designs and explanations on Facebook!

So there you have it!

Since all the info is GRAVITY related, I tried to inform the posters in gravity related threads but this was NOT welcome, nor was it understood!

Well, if you try to compare Kevin's designs to for example the William Skinner device, you will quickly discover that there is NO comparison!
The designs Kevin has published are so much simpler than the Skinner device that it is not funny!
The point I was trying to make was/is: why struggle with the COMPLEXITY of the quad Skinner device when you can make something a hell of a lot simpler and smaller??

Yes, I have exchanged a few emails with Kevin and I paste a copy of his first reply here which will hopefully give you some idea of the magnitude and importance of his work.
I also check his Facebook page (I use my wife's account!) almost daily as he is publishing a hell of a lot of info of all kinds!

Hello Les,

Yes, our first model was sustained at over 400 COP.
It took less than 0.1 amp at 12 volt to sustain 1.9636 HP.

I am currently working in medical agricultural production areas however I am also engineering some of my more modern methods with a Japanese company that I am partnering with.
My engineering partner works in large scale rice agriculture and drone technology so this will allow me to incorporate my work into several areas, and allow me to provide these dynamos for people working in agriculture before any other field becomes involved.

All electricity is gravitational inertia based torsion induced compression.
All of it.

This is braking planetary inertia and this is not complicated.

I have over 170 designs of workable systems just in the mechanical area alone. My basic show and share designs are based on children's ability to understand this, apply this and use it effectively.

My work is in plasma initiation.
I have several dozen easier methods to generate high voltage current Les.
If you want electricity, do what Tesla did. Tap the planet.

My systems are being applied to electro-gravitational propulsion dynamics, as some of the complex algorithms for attaining inductive inversion of gravitation are not so complicated.

If you can understand that it is gravity that moves water, then you can understand that it is also gravity that is being compressed allowing for this reaction, called phase conjugation, to induce an electrostatic inversion of gravitation.
Restricting this induces electricity.
Not restricting this allows for inductive electro-gravitational potential.

I have simple leveraged systems that can make whatever electricity you want....just put the dynamo under it and line up the crank, and place whatever mass inversion is necessary onto the oscillator.
Any size dynamo, mega watt and larger can be run...so please understand that this is what Tesla did...in reverse.

I am showing how to build an electromotive generator.
Tesla showed how to tap the planets movement and electrify it.
I am showing how to tap the planets movement, by not electrifying it and using the inertia as a torsion based electromotive reaction.
It is easier making the river any size that you need, than tailoring a new system.
All that is really required is that you correct the inversions in the schematic and allow the existing model not to fight itself.

My first electromagnetic transformer induced 100V AC on 0.000 volt.
My second one went 23 feet into the air with a 9 volt battery.
My third one induced 268V with an induction sealer and self resonated a secondary circuit with 9.6amp at 120volt AC.

By the way, I have shared all of this on Facebook and you can resource this information in the PJK Free Energy Book.
Everything that Tesla did can be accomplished much much easier by understanding torsion tensors and inertia. We can create our own electromagnetic self induced oscillator, we do not even need to tap the planet any longer.

Cheers,
Kevin


Here is a post he made a couple of days ago:
Elisha Moore. I am learning about ormus and I appreciate you promoting it. Just curious why you seem so cranky with all that good stuff you have going on. You are doing a service to your fellow man. Maybe you should be happy with that!
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Kevin Hay. 6 years without one day off and 18 hour work days take the toll Elisha. That is the easy part...people are not easy, however plants are. I have been arrested 11 times for areas that I now teach and work in, so let me just say...30 years trying to convince people that nature cannot be criminalized, has worn me thin when the majority have been arguing the existence of chemtrails for 25 years, with the evidence sits and falls before their eyes. There is also the simple fact the physics argues instead of applying, science disputes simple functions, medicine is killing people, agriculture has been poisoned, Facebook is a CIA information gathering system and people think money is real. Hmmm....Maybe I just fell into someone else's reality and lost my mind and this is all a dream, because it is really too stupid to be my reality. I could go on for days. I could go on for days about why I am so tired of discussing and explaining myself to strangers......I don't know why this makes me so impatient...perhaps it is the lack of fundamental responsibility that people will take for their actions, as most people are still looking for petitions to sign, while the boat is sinking. So, I learned how to swim...I can only save one, so which one do I choose?

Here is another one from the 19th of Jan.:
Kevin Hay added 7 new photos.
1 hr ·
I have nothing to prove.
The functions that I am showing and the mechanics that I am sharing do this for me.
This is the best part. I cannot refute these functions, as I try every day to test and learn how to better apply them.
That is all that I am showing here.
I am not trying to convert people or mediate discontent through usury.
I am not trying to manipulate others or convince anyone of anything.
I cannot do this. In fact, it was very difficult for me to break my own programming and move past the barriers that were taught to me as a child and through my entire adult life.
I could barely convince myself that what I was observing was possible due to the misconceptions and the disinformation that is still being taught today.
Now, I simply follow these reactions and I show some of them and explain some of these here.
I know that many people use facebook for a messenger system, for finding people when they are lonely or for hiding behind masks and becoming someone else for a time...
I cannot do this here.
I came onto facebook to share some information with people and to find out if there were others like myself among these 1 point something billion facebook users...
I have found a few other people here that have similar interests and yet very few have emerged that can accelerate what I am seeing inside of my mind.
I am hopeful that many people in the years to come can find this information and begin to test some of these very simple mechanical and electromagnetic devices as these will allow others to begin a much needed education in the forces that are generated from planetary movement, such as gravitation and electricity.
It is through understanding the force functions that control the flow of water that we can begin to observe leveraged torsion dynamics and scalar functions being split through the mechanics of molecular geometry and the phase convergence of opposing magnetic functions that invert and form the cohesion of "atoms" into matter.
I see these functions somewhat differently, as magnetic torsion tensors, as decoupled hydrogen in an atomic form, however this is not usable or testable through mechanical designs that allow people to see and learn from these simple polar inversions that induce electromagnetic compression, as gravity or inertia.
The simple fact is that we can generate electricity from a lever and an imbalanced wheel.
We can apply this system in the same manner as any hydroelectric dynamo or facility, only we do not need water for a conduit.
We never did.
Nikola Tesla and the Niagara falls project was a patronizing jump back in time, as this could have been done far easier and far less expensively by using very simple mechanical systems that could have been engineered several thousand years ago.
Easily.
So, we need to take a few moments and realize that you can't test this by reading about it.
You need a lever and a wheel.
That's it.
You can make two compression systems from any bicycle.
A fellow just sent me something similar to Veljko Milkovic's pumping system.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbkuvynok8...A0092.MP4?dl=0
Here is my first attempt:
https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD/v...user_video_tab
Veljko Milkovic shows how to do this using pendulums,
https://www.facebook.com/pg/milkovic...=page_internal

I could only attach 6 files from my Kevin Hay folder which currently holds 34 files.
The best thing you can do of coarse is to download everything you can directly from his Facebook page.
However, it is a start.
Get onto it!

Cheers,
Les Banki

[citfta]

Big Thanks!

Hi Les,

Thank you very much for posting that additional information here. I will take time later today to study the .doc files. The pictures are a big help in understanding what he is doing. The first link with the video explains a lot also. The Facebook links don't work unless you are logged in but they will most certainly help those that use Facebook.

One of the members here (Matt Jones) had a device similar to that which he called the jumper if I remember correctly. As far as I know he did not connect it to any kind of generator as it moved with so much force it kept tearing itself loose from it's mounting surface.

Take care,
Carroll

[bistander]

Not a fb type of guy

Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi

[Les Banki]

Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi

Bistander

No offence but you got the wrong attitude.
Citfta “figure it out”??? WHY citfta? WHY not YOU???
This seems to be the typical attitude of the general public.
Wait for someone else to do everything. Always someone else!

Further, you are also asking the WRONG question!
“what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? “
Well, what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already for things which conflicts with the interests of the SELF-APPOINTED CRIMINAL RULING “ELITE” CONTROL FREAKS, would you be willing to be a martyr by running your house or factory on “free energy”??

Kevin has been called many names but stupid was never one of them!!


Cheers,
Les Banki

[bistander]

Kevin is stupid

Bistander

No offence but you got the wrong attitude.
Citfta “figure it out”??? WHY citfta? WHY not YOU???
This seems to be the typical attitude of the general public.
Wait for someone else to do everything. Always someone else!

Further, you are also asking the WRONG question!
“what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? “
Well, what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already for things which conflicts with the interests of the SELF-APPOINTED CRIMINAL RULING “ELITE” CONTROL FREAKS, would you be willing to be a martyr by running your house or factory on “free energy”??

Kevin has been called many names but stupid was never one of them!!


Cheers,
Les Banki

Thanks for the reply Les.

2 + 2 = 5. That's my new discovered equation. So take 2 dollar bills and put them with another 2 dollar bills. Now you have 5 dollar bills. Take 2 of the dollars away and then take 2 more dollars away. You have one dollar left. That is free money. Do that repeatedly a hundred times and you get $100 of free money.

Would you believe what I just wrote? Would you try the scheme?

That is what you're asking me to do. I can see a flawed equation and a stupid scheme which I know will not work. Why would I spend effort and resources trying it?

From what you relate, there are those who do believe Kevin. So my question is why haven't they built his free energy machine? Not doing something I know won't work is logical. Promoting something you do believe in and not doing it seems illogical to me.

As for my mention of citfta, it was just my way of saying hi to an old friend.

Regards,

bi

[gsmsslsb]

contact les or kevin

Hey Les
I sent you an email from this site did you receive.
I would like to phone or Skye you if poss.
Could you private message me some contacts phone number email or something.
I have tried something close to this before and would like to discuss with someone before going again.
Thanks gsm