Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

To show how OU is achieved to really power things

Hi All

Good thread to vent a few things.

Over unity can be achieved but usually it is so low that you can't use it. This is how OU can be used but you need to use power to gain power e.g.

You can extract say 100v at micro amps, so your usable power is nearly nothing, "using plain language". Now you take 1v @ 100amps you will have 100watts of power, this is your input you have to use. Now add your motive free force of 100v you will have 101v @100amps plus your micro amps which we will discount, and so what do you have? W=A*V therefore 10.1kw. Now I know someone is going to say you can't do that, but oh yes you can, not only that you can do the same thing in a mechanical form, e.g.

A bolder of 1ton at the top of a hill has 1 person pushing it and it does not move or very little (100 amps @1v), 99 other people come to push it and it moves (100v @ no amps), the bolder now moves, but not only that it now has gone over the hill and is running down hill using it's 1ton.

Now the trick is the way you add these two things together to create more power than you used to start with.

I hope I have explained myself albeit in a very simple form "simpler the better".

So what I am saying is it is all in how you make a circuit to do what I have said, John Bedini has been saying this for years in the form of don't kill the dipole "the current you use to start with".

regards to all

Mike

[boguslaw]

Are you talking about resonance ? I think this term is comprehend in very narrow sense while it can be extended to circuit running almost of itself recovering most of power to power itself so a very tiny amount of additional energy from outside is required to make it self-sustaining. Danger is in runaway situation if external bit of energy is to much

[shylo]

to MJN

Overunity is possible but you can't use it???
shylo

[Matthew Jones]

Are you talking about resonance ? I think this term is comprehend in very narrow sense while it can be extended to circuit running almost of itself recovering most of power to power itself so a very tiny amount of additional energy from outside is required to make it self-sustaining. Danger is in runaway situation if external bit of energy is to much

Actually when you find it it is opposite of that description. It takes alot of outside energy to sustain it, and runaway situation or even a running situation is almost impossible.

Matt

[jpolakow]

Hi Carroll,

I just want to commend you for starting a thread where ones opinion can be shared, while still being respectful of other people with differing opinions. Far too often in this forum and in this world someone who holds a different opinion than another person is taken, as a personal attack, and people get defensive, peoples' egos come into play, and the situation quickly degenerates. It is refreshing to see a thread such as yours, where peoples ideas can be shared openly, and still be treated respectfully. I am happy to say that if more people acted with the patience, genuineness, and respect as you do, everyone's common goals might be realized much sooner. Of all the time I have seen your posts on this forum, I have never seen a disparaging remark by you. Also you have been more than helpful in helping others(including me) with their projects. Good job, your example has not gone unnoticed.

John

[Michael John Nunnerley]

read what I said!

Overunity is possible but you can't use it???
shylo

Do not change my sentance, quote what I said and do not change it. I said USUALLY IT IS TOO LOW IN POWER (watts), and then I went on to say that if you can add in real power in the form of current then you can have a usable gain. Power (watts) = current (amps) X EMF (volts), 100 watts = 100amps X 1volt, 10kw = 100amps X 100volts.

If you can charge a battery over a period of time with very low current, you can then use that battery at high current output for a lesser period of time than it took to charge it, BUT, the time power factor shows a gain to what was used to charge it.

Mike

[shylo]

To MJN sorry

Hi Mike, sorry about that I'm not very good with computers, since I don't know how to use the quote feature,I just type your words in a short form version.
I only started on this journey a couple years ago,and have read alot.
I have a hard time with ohms law.
Does it apply to all situations, such as the so called" cold electricty"( the equal and opposite reaction to hot)
The higher the resistance , the lower the amps , the less watts.
Is there no way to reduce the R to 1 to use the full potential of the voltage
I've read many of your posts' and realize you have alot of knowledge in regards to these topics and respect what you say, that was the reason for the question.
shylo

[citfta]

Here's another "magical" circuit. This circuit is posted I guess because it lit some Christmas LED lights in a way that was not understood by the originator of the circuit. It is pretty easy to see what is going on with simple electronic concepts. As stated by one of the posters about this circuit it works just as well with a capacitor in place of the coil of wire and brass rod. Of course it does. The coil of wire and brass rod IS a capacitor. And capacitors easily pass AC current. If you use a larger capacitor it will pass more current. They are used for this purpose all the time in motor circuits. As also stated by one of the posters if you put a cap across the output of the bride rectifier the output voltage goes up. That is also perfectly normal. When you are using a meter to measure the DC voltage coming out of the bridge you are only getting an average because of the pulsing of the DC voltage. If you add a cap to the output the cap will charge to the peak voltage if the load is small enough. So it appears the voltage is higher when you add a cap to the output.

Also you should be aware connecting the hot side of the AC circuit back to the ground instead of the neutral is not a good idea. If you have a ground fault circuit breaker it will trip out. And if there is not a good connection all the way back to the main panel your whole circuit could become energized posing a serious shock hazard.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[LutherG]

Take a look at Paul Babcock's Video posted here on this forum.

I think a lot will be understood from a better vantage point by everyone if you all take a look at Magnetic Energy Secrets by Paul Babcock. I'm kicking myself for not being able to make it to the Conference... hopefully I won't miss another one...

No, I'm not selling this video, just highly recommending it! If you want to see the energy being tapped into by UFO, Bedini, Matt's charger, the 3BGS system, etc., then you will see a fine and very simple example in this video.

You can get it either here on this forum or on the new Bedini forum called Energy Science Forum.

Best regards to all,

Luther

[citfta]

Hi all,

Well things have gotten pretty quiet on this thread for a while. There is still a lot of enthusiasm on the assymetrical motor thread though. It has been over a month now since that thread was started and we still haven't seen any real evidence of an improved motor. We have seen a lot of people replicating and most of them have gotten them to run with a lot of torque. What seems to be missing is a basic understanding that any motor can be rewound with larger wire and fewer turns and you will get a lot more torque. Larger wire and fewer turns equals more current which is also what all the replicators are seeing. I really had my hopes up that this design might be the secret to some real power, but so far I have only seen more power generated by more current which is really nothing new.

Later,
Carroll

[citfta]

3bgs

Well the 3 battery generating system thread has come to life again with some promising results. It seems the kind of battery used in battery position 3 is the real secret as Dave has said all along. And most of us have been trying to find the right kind of battery. It looks like Dave and Matt have found the secret. According to the results Dave is now getting the battery in position three has to be an AGM or absorbative glass mat type of battery. Dave is now able to run his load and watch the primary batteries go up and up in charge. Congratulations Dave and Matt. I only have one of those batteries and it is too dead to work so I WILL be looking for some more at the local salvage yard.

Later,
Carroll

[Rl2003]

UFO's Motors

Carol,
I just read your last post and wanted to respond.
I have rewound and made a few of these designs by UFO.
Funny he still does not use his real name?? Anyway I am still working with
this idea in hopes that it will lead to something worth while, but allways aware that it may not be as wonderful as some may hope.
I have gained some more insight to how this is working and can see if pulsed properly and with a large mass
for a motor we may be able to run to independant generators from one motor.
But this makes me ask,, why not just build a large window motor using the
Bedini Cole circuit.
No brushes and no drag?? I think time may tell.
But one thing I have learned from these forums is, if you don't build some of these
idea's and keep up, by the time someone does verify it works, you now have to go back
and try building it. In the meen time, others are going to new levels and most won't understand the"why" it works.

Never the less it would be nice to use our existing motors in this way.

Mark

[freepenguin]

Carroll,

F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER
F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER - YouTube

I've been working on this device, i.e one version of harmonic oscillation system at theoretical level. I came to conclusion that the resonance property in nature can be utilized to produce clean energy from different type of matter.

All working(?) gravity motors that known always have two components: pulser (trigger), slave (sorry for naming, I can't find the right word for it.)

F.M Chalkalis' Energy multiplier has trigger that is the two rubber wheel below the ceiling run by a motor. It keeps the huge metal sector at constant speed. The kinetic energy of the rotating sector is many times bigger than the electric energy that the trigger consume.

Here is another version of gravity motor. The Russian inventor supposedly sell real gravity motor kits for general public. However the inventor has been off radar. If you study through his videos, he used to rigid body simulation program to test his idea and building prototypes. He had two types of gravity motors. (He named them gravity wheels though.)
The bottom line is his gravity motor has one trigger (electric motor) and slave (tiny metal objects along a bicycle rim).
The rotation due to deflection of weights_2. Gravity wheel. - YouTube

For detail info check the link.

Kanarev Philipp made new theory of laws of motion. He built an electric generator (one trigger motor and one slave motor) to prove his theory is right. Why he hasn't disclose the machine construction information? I don't know.

My logical guess is after studying his 'Energy impulse theory' leaded to essential components: timer (crystal oscillator), PWM (pulse width modulator) that controls the trigger motor, two DC motors (trigger - small power rating, slave - bigger power rating with flywheel), speed check circuit, microcontroller and EEPROM that has PWM and sensor management software.

I picked up Arduino for implementing PWM because it runs on GNU/Linux, fully open source based, versatile, and cheap. My estimate cost for a prototype gravity motor is around $50 to $60: Arduino board, a trigger motor, a dummy or big motor, tachometer circuit. The beauty of Arduino is it uses PC/laptop USB port for power and data transmission. It provides 5V DC at 30mA power output through pins to control sensors and devices.

The goal is to find the basic pulse formula that keeps the slave motor at optimum speed which produces greater power always than the trigger. I think once the formula is discovered, it's done deal. Few people can work together. After that once the pulse formula is discovered, scale up is easy. Because we are dealing with well-known forces: friction, air resistance, inertia of rotating mass.

[citfta]

See Bizzy's thread

Hi freepenguin,

You might want to look at Bizzy's Bedini/ Watson machine thread. He is pulsing a motor which is driving a generator by using a simple mechanical switch. The generator is producing enough power to keep the system running. He has had it running for as long as 9 days without losing power from the battery! You might get some ideas about pulsing from his thread.

Carroll

[Turion]

Hey guys,
I wanted to interject that I have run my 3BGS with that very same combination of batteries before and NOT gotten the results I am getting right now. It was the addition of the UFO modified motor that got me these positive results. Possibly I was just not patient enough.

Now that said, Matt is using a standard motor, and during the test runs he has done, the primaries drop at first, but then slowly come back. (Over a five hour run)

In the two videos I am listing below, which were shot about an hour apart (giving the batteries time to rest between runs to see if they would increase in voltage)

Batt 1 started at 12.39........Batt 2 at 12.34..........Batt 3 less than 1 volt
Batt 1 ended at 12.54.........Batt 2 at 12.60...........Batt 3 at over 11 volts, but you can see it dropping like a rock in the video (Man I LOVE THAT!)

In the second video Batt 1 had climbed to 12.58 while resting, so that's where it started. ....Batt 2 had only climbed to 12.62, so that's where it started. These were measurements at rest AND under load when I started the second test. At the end of that second run, Batt 1 ended at 12.73....and Batt 2 ended at 12.65, while running an AC 120 volt electric fan off the combined output of the UFO modified motor's generator connected in parallel with battery 3 to the inverter.

And this is all without putting a load on the motor which INCREASES the output of this system.

UFO motor/ 3BGS - YouTube
UFO/ 3BGS test 2 - YouTube
Oops...forgot this one...It doesn't show much in the way of voltages, but it DOES show the loads I can run without drawing down on the primaries. The jumping around in voltage is because of the spikes that are hitting the primaries.
3BGS Test 3 - YouTube

The two keys to this setup are the UFO modified motor and the AWG battery in the third position that will take a charge, but will NOT hold it. (That dropping like a rock thing I love so much.)

Any way you look at it, this is something special.

We are working on ways to "kill" an AWG battery and make it do what we want it to do. The one Matt is using has a short in it and when it is shorted, it doesn't work and he has to shake it to get it to show the magic.

Replicate, replicate, replicate. I used a 16 pole razor scooter motor that I rewound according to UFO's directions. It has 8 brushes and two commutators and outputs dc current on the generator side.

Tomorrow I will get the amp gauges I need to finalize my testing of my modified UFO motor, fulfilling the commitment I made to the folks on his thread. Then I will be full time testing the 3BGS with this kind of motor and other kinds of motors, as we think a pulse motor may be even better. The advantage of the UFO motor is it appears to have a lot more torque than say a monopole, and we can use that torque to drive a generator. And putting a load on the motor just makes everything work BETTER.

Drop by the 3BGS thread, but start with my first post, because it gives you some important directions on how to test to see if the battery you are using in the third position is going to work for you or is a waste of your time.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ng-system.html

Dave