Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[citfta]

Done with this forum.

I have debated with myself for several days now about whether I should even waste my time posting this. But I feel someone needs to say this. This forum has degenerated into a pretty much useless circus.

When I first found this forum several years ago in 2008 I was impressed by the quality of posts and advice available on this forum. I was impressed enough that my son and I went to the first energy conference in Idaho. There we met Peter and John and Aaron and many other serious researchers. Some of them like Matthew Jones and others I have gotten to know pretty well through private emails. I do not remember meeting Dave (Turion) there but have gotten to know him also through private emails. What I am trying to say is I believe at one time this was a very valuable and helpful forum.

What happened you may be asking or maybe you don't even care. On occasion there would be someone that would post making claims that were doubtful. When asked technical questions about what they posted they usually just faded away. Sometimes their response would be they didn't understand and wanted help trying to figure out what was going on. Other times they discovered they had made a mistake in measurement or something. Most of the time the replies were kept cordial and polite.

Then in 2012 Ufopolitics showed up with his wild claims about witches and motors. It became obvious very quickly that any questions about his claims would be met with ridicule. Even worse was the ridicule degenerated into severe slander and name calling. It got so bad Aaron had to step in and warn the offenders and some were banned.

After 3 years and many members spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on his ideas no one to my knowledge has been able to substantiate his claims. If his claims about his motor ideas were true then why is he wasting his time on a magnet motor? Where are all those believers that put anyone down that asked real questions?

I started this thread in hopes of having some real technical discussions without the name calling and slander. My very sincere thanks to those of you that have contributed to this thread with real technical information and ideas. That is what this thread was for. And to a small degree I think and hope it has been helpful.

I left this forum over a year ago because of the name calling and ridicule that was still going on even after Aaron's warnings. I was asked to come back by a couple of members a few months ago. I came back and found that now things are even worse. Bro. Mikey has joined Ufo in ridiculing anyone that does not blindly believe in whoever is his favorite false god that day. I also have found that almost all the serious researchers have left or at least have quit posting.

I have found another forum where the members ask each other serious technical questions and engage in serious discussion without the name calling. I have not given up on the idea of OU. I still very much believe it is possible. I am just going to put my efforts into working with people that are serious and not name calling clowns. Dufo and Bro. Mouthy can have this forum. I am out of here!

Carroll

[dR-Green]

But you're one of the sensible ones!

I believe a big part of the problem lies in the fact that any fool can walk into a shop and buy a phone or computer and from that moment on their idiocy is unleashed upon the whole world. The required skill level to get on the internet has lowered.

Another theme/form of behaviour seems to be to spam audiences with "exactly what they want to see". So, you want OU, do you? Here's a truckload that will keep you so distracted you won't even notice anything else that's going on.

I watch a Tesla group on facebook. They complain that Tesla is suppressed. What do they do about it? Post endless pictures of Tesla. As an observer I see that the suppression itself comes in the form of those pictures of Tesla which cover up all the scientific work and articles. They prevent progress through adopting the guise of being pro-progress.

[med.3012]

Hi Carroll !


it's sad to hear you are done here but i think it's the nature of human being, if two members led you to think like that you have to think twice ! sometimes we have to look for excuse why they act like that ? maybe they are under some stress.

anyway, you can give us the link of your new forum so at least we could read your post there, or even join you ! who know !

[bistander]

I have debated with myself for several days now about whether I should even waste my time posting this. But I feel someone needs to say this. This forum has degenerated into a pretty much useless circus.

When I first found this forum several years ago in 2008 I was impressed by the quality of posts and advice available on this forum. I was impressed enough that my son and I went to the first energy conference in Idaho. There we met Peter and John and Aaron and many other serious researchers. Some of them like Matthew Jones and others I have gotten to know pretty well through private emails. I do not remember meeting Dave (Turion) there but have gotten to know him also through private emails. What I am trying to say is I believe at one time this was a very valuable and helpful forum.

What happened you may be asking or maybe you don't even care. On occasion there would be someone that would post making claims that were doubtful. When asked technical questions about what they posted they usually just faded away. Sometimes their response would be they didn't understand and wanted help trying to figure out what was going on. Other times they discovered they had made a mistake in measurement or something. Most of the time the replies were kept cordial and polite.

Then in 2012 Ufopolitics showed up with his wild claims about witches and motors. It became obvious very quickly that any questions about his claims would be met with ridicule. Even worse was the ridicule degenerated into severe slander and name calling. It got so bad Aaron had to step in and warn the offenders and some were banned.

After 3 years and many members spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on his ideas no one to my knowledge has been able to substantiate his claims. If his claims about his motor ideas were true then why is he wasting his time on a magnet motor? Where are all those believers that put anyone down that asked real questions?

I started this thread in hopes of having some real technical discussions without the name calling and slander. My very sincere thanks to those of you that have contributed to this thread with real technical information and ideas. That is what this thread was for. And to a small degree I think and hope it has been helpful.

I left this forum over a year ago because of the name calling and ridicule that was still going on even after Aaron's warnings. I was asked to come back by a couple of members a few months ago. I came back and found that now things are even worse. Bro. Mikey has joined Ufo in ridiculing anyone that does not blindly believe in whoever is his favorite false god that day. I also have found that almost all the serious researchers have left or at least have quit posting.

I have found another forum where the members ask each other serious technical questions and engage in serious discussion without the name calling. I have not given up on the idea of OU. I still very much believe it is possible. I am just going to put my efforts into working with people that are serious and not name calling clowns. Dufo and Bro. Mouthy can have this forum. I am out of here!

Carroll

I wondered what happened to you. I'll be sorry to see you leave. Did you notice on his million view thread he is claiming you and I are one in the same? Oh well. Ya gotta do what you gotta do. Good luck and God bless.

bi

[wayne.ct]

Sorry to see you go

Hey, Carroll, PM us your new favorite forum.

[kenssurplus]

Personality conflicts or deliberate dilution, distraction, and disruption

Hi Carroll,

This is a question I have found helpful to ask myself about different posters and their motivations:

Would my reactions be different if I knew they were here to deny, disrupt, degrade, and deceive the effective sharing of real "alternative energy" information?

I am not saying that anyone specific on this forum fits that category, but I do believe that this occurs far more often than not.

Please look through this and see if any of it reminds you of what occurs here:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.

Especially look over the "gambits for deception"


Those techniques have not only been identified as being used here on this forum, but used to a large degree to muddy the waters.
So the final question to ask yourself is one similar to this:

Is my continued participation here helping to counteract this deliberate program of manipulation, or am I just adding to the mud?

Only you can answer that for yourself, but for me, the choice is to stay and help identify correct and workable solutions, test or prove them, and finally to share that knowledge openly.

Wherever you go, Thanks for your efforts.
Ken

[mikehull]

Hi Carroll
Just wanted to add my thanks for your help and guidance over the past few years.
Still haven't much time for building and experimentation but reading your comments and advice to others has hepled me in my search for OU.
Sorry to see you leave, good luck in your continuing search.

Mike

[Turion]

Carroll,
Sorry to see you go. But I definitely understand your frustration.

I have ranted in the past about some of these same issues and have been sorely tempted to follow the same path. Fortunately, I have made lots of contacts here and continue to work with people like you and Matt, Randy, Luther, and David P. through email and other means. Those of us who are serious will continue to share, and as we get results it focuses and directs our research.

Thanks for all your contributions here, and I know you and I will keep in touch.
Dave

[mbrownn]

I too am sad to see how the content of the forum has deteriorated. Attack the messenger instead of investigate the message, has become too prevalent. I tend to just sit in the background and monitor what is being said to see if something interesting comes up. There seems to be little tolerance for newbies who are trying to learn, remember we were one a newbie too, and we should help them or what we know is lost. I will continue to monitor what goes on here and while I may not contribute often, I am still here.

Obviously some members have made great advances in understanding how things work, sometimes they are able to get that across to others, other times they are not so easy to understand. The worst problem is when they omit, mislead or misinform others to try and protect their ideas. Sabotage is the word I would use, and this keeps others from advancing.

It is true that we will take a dislike to people from time to time, I know i do it, but look at the positive work and let that speak for itself. It doesn't do to name names when it comes to negative aspects,as this leads to more conflict, but we should name names when we have something that has added to the overall knowledge.

Be positive and keep up the good work

[citfta]

Answer to the question from the thread about radiant spike

The contractors had separated the three phases and run each phase in a single conduit. All electricians know this is a no-no. You have to run a return with a source wire or else there will be strong inductive heating of any metal in the area. The flexible conduit had a metal inner lining and was covered by a plastic coating on the outside. The metal got so hot from the inductive heating the plastic started to melt.

That is why all house wiring uses romex type wire that has all the wires in the same jacket. And when doing industrial wiring all single wires have to be run inside conduit to keep the wires close enough together so they don't cause inductive heating in any nearby metal.

Having the return wire along side the supply wire cancels out the effect of inductive heating. This is true whether dealing with 3 phase wiring or simple household wiring.

When they rewired the furnace by putting the phases together in the conduits the problem went away and the furnace was used for several years with no problem. I guess for those of you wondering how they rewired the unit I should explain that because of the large amount of current required they had run 3 large gauge wires for each phase for a total of 9 wires. So it was pretty simple to just take each wire loose and reroute them so that each conduit had all three phases in them.

Carroll

[Matthew Jones]

We're going to start building again and the one's that detract from that will go on the ignore list.

Cheers Brother

Matt

[RAMSET]

Bromikey
can we have a discussion here about Peswiki ?

That other thread makes me feel like I have to take a Hot shower in gasoline
with a match chaser when I read there.

I don't completely understand your perspective ,but I feel that mixing
the victims into this and all the headline hype and publicity ,will only be a kind of rape all its own?

what exactly is your point ??

I do agree a point needs to be made about Peswiki and its future.
or should it just be left to Rot ??

respectfully
Chet

[RAMSET]

So I'll take that as a no



If you were unaware that this grandstanding and vitriol against The perpetrator is revealing much more about the victims in links posted all over the net
and you feel comphy with your handling of this ..

sorry to wake you Boys

[BroMikey]

Bromikey
can we have a discussion here about Peswiki ?

That other thread makes me feel like I have to take a Hot shower in gasoline
with a match chaser when I read there.

I don't completely understand your perspective ,but I feel that mixing
the victims into this and all the headline hype and publicity ,will only be a kind of rape all its own?

what exactly is your point ??

I do agree a point needs to be made about Peswiki and its future.
or should it just be left to Rot ??

respectfully
Chet

You have the floor. I didn't see this until just now, sure go ahead.

[RAMSET]

I had no idea you were unaware of this offer [or Aaron]
as Aaron said it was at the top of the forum ,but It was an odd comment about bumping the other thread ??

a lot of water flowed under the bridge in the last 24 hrs, and I'm not so certain anymore about this whole topic ,not certain the good could be separated from the Bad at Peswiki ....

Tooo much Bad for sure ,I'm a bit burnt out over this at the moment .

people will have ideas and opinions about peswiki ...whether they will feel comfortable expressing them is another story, I am not certain I myself understand how to feel about all the work and what it accomplished [or didn't].

its all just a Big Yech at the moment , actually been that way for quite some time from my perspective .

I always felt it was a really good tool in the wrong hands..