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[voltan]

hi all. auto repair shops that machine brake rotors and drums have piles of iron filings. good source of usually free samples.
apologies for interjecting this torrid torroid discussion,but after reading some mainstream wisdom on the topic of commercial battery desulphators, i think the reason i haven't had success with restoring lead acid batteries is because individual collapsing field spikes are just too brief. i think cap dumping is an essential addition to a medium current joule thief circuit, in order to succeed.
pic 1 is a joule thief concept that sends charging pulses back to the source,the charge battery with a trickle charger hooked up.the plan is to charge the cap up to say 50 volts,then close both switches near simultaneously,the cap and battery equalize,maybe with a short ring down.switches open and the blocking oscillator resumes for say 98% of each cycle. the other 2% the switches are on.
so i'm open to any suggestions as to how to switch between oscillate and dump.
is there a fairly simple way to stop the transistor from turning on during the dump cycle,as obviously it would short the cap,when the dump switch is closed. just after that close the dump switch, open the dump switch,then resume oscillations for the set period.
im thinking maybe mechanical switching or relay contacts might survive as the dump goes through the primary winding,the small delay in current buildup might afford some protection to points or contacts on closing and current drops to zero by the time the points or contacts open,maybe with the addition of a condensor.but also considering scr's, solid state relays,flip-flop circuitry, a 741 chip,opto isolators or using a modified computer fan or something.
*looks like a 200uf flash cap goes from 13.5 to 50v in about .8 of a second.a relay might do it.just need to energise the relay coil with 2% duty cycle every .8 sec.
** ok, pic 3 runs,but backwards to how i intended.the relay has about a 98% duty cycle.so i just had to swap n.o. with n.c. and it does the job.i guess there could be losses if the relay contacts bounce or ark. i should devise a way to monitor or measure the pulses.
cheers.

[bistander]

Looping your OU machine

Hi all,

I will copy and post a reply I found interesting over on the Figuera open thread. Since it would seem to apply to much more than that particular device, and I'd like to see further discussion which might be off topic over there, here it is:

Give me an electrically operated "black box" using 100W input (DC) and delivering 300W (AC-DC??) from its output.
I can loop that unit and make it self going without any G-part while i'm sleeping!
The hard thing is; not feed it with more than 100W so it not explodes. / Arne

The ONLY THING that you are correct on above post...is that you would do all this...while you are sleeping...resuming:

Only in Your Dreams...

Do you really think it is that "easy"??!!

While sleeping you can do it?

Really Ant?

You are also, so full of BS...I see it coming off your ears...

There are something called "Transfer Switching Losses", whenever you attempt to make an OU device self sustained from its own output.

And it relies exactly on the Ratio of Scaled Up Input/Output over Time. And so, just in milliseconds it takes without power input, is enough to decay beyond recuperation to make it to self loop.

And so, unless you have a Built-In within own System, Pre-Stored Energy Component over time, based on whether Magnetic Fields or Capacitance, which sustains even for those milliseconds...it will not work, since resistors "store" all that power into ATMOSPHERIC HEAT ...which is lost in the air, and so can not be recuperated back to be "reused"...unless you could do that...maybe also while you are sleeping...meaning "dreaming"...

Part G Stores that required extra energy within its own Core Magnetic Field, which is "Reusable within own system" making this Transfer Switching possible.

It takes several testing cutting power off then measuring System Decay over Time with many different Second-Secondaries responses options... to achieve the right and robust transfer spot on.

So, not that simple little ANT.


Another burst of Stupidity at max expression...


No intelligent life on this Planet...Beam me Up Scotty...am done here.







Ufopolitics

Anybody have any experience doing this?

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

I have...

Hi all,

I will copy and post a reply I found interesting over on the Figuera open thread. Since it would seem to apply to much more than that particular device, and I'd like to see further discussion which might be off topic over there, here it is:



Anybody have any experience doing this?

Regards,

bi

Hello Bistander,

By the way...please update-refresh my post, as I have rectified a couple of things there...thanks.

I have done that...with my Repulsion Field Generator by retro-feeding its prime mover: an Asymmetrical small motor I built just for this design...Five Poles.

In an Asymmetric Motor is much easier to do it, since we could loop one Gate (Output on Motor, used as Input) connected to Output Coils from Generator, while the other one (Normal Input) being fed by PSU.

And of course, PSU is the starting supply, or "bait", where you need to reach the proper RPM's on rotor, to generate the required output to do that.

It takes lot of testing where gradually decreasing power on PSU until it is noticed speed (RPM's) does not decay...but that is not all...there must be a small increase when you do that...which means PSU is becoming a load, a drag on motor, instead of a feeding to a higher speed.

Many different size of cores and coils #turns/gauge configurations are involved in this testing until getting the right output.

And what am referring on that post, is basically about this Transfer Switch Losses. related to Figuera Generator operated with resistors versus Part G.

Hope it explain my post...as I wish many more members start joining in -hopefully with experience on this subject, as you wrote above- and not just to theorize or else ..good idea.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Allen B

I need a place to vent. The OP and a few other members are upset because Allen and BM have dragged it into a b!tch session off-topic. I've been a frequent poster there lately countering, technically, Allen's BS. He continues to demonstrate his lack of math and science skills and basic understanding. Here is a reply of his to which I had not yet responded.

You can see the factor in the equation below:


"The Mystery of Inductance of Lead Wire We sometimes see "inductance of lead wire" in Electrical Engineering technical books. For example, the expression below is found in a book titled "Analytical Noise Mechanism" by CQ Publishing Co. at its 120th page".

L = 2*l*(log(4*l/d)-3/4) (nH/m) (1)

where, L = inductance of lead wire (nH/m)
d = diameter of lead wire (cm)
l = length of lead wire (cm)

You can see where Allen highlights in bold (nH/m). He calls it a factor in the equation. It is not a factor. It is the units of the quanitiy. Allen is particularly confused by units.

Thanks for the vent.

bi

[citfta]

That is exactly what this thread is for. To post objections and discussions about projects or ideas on this forum without disrupting the original thread. Vent away. I have been too busy lately to waste any more time trying to correct all the errors Allen keeps posting. He is either very lacking in the basic math fundamentals or is deliberately trying to provoke arguments. My own personal opinion is the later.

BM is just another lost cause. No matter how carefully you show him his heroes are wrong he will continue to worship at their feet. He has no technical knowledge of his own so he will follow whatever strikes him as being worth following no matter how ridiculous.

Later,
Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

That is exactly what this thread is for. To post objections and discussions about projects or ideas on this forum without disrupting the original thread. Vent away. I have been too busy lately to waste any more time trying to correct all the errors Allen keeps posting. He is either very lacking in the basic math fundamentals or is deliberately trying to provoke arguments. My own personal opinion is the later.

BM is just another lost cause. No matter how carefully you show him his heroes are wrong he will continue to worship at their feet. He has no technical knowledge of his own so he will follow whatever strikes him as being worth following no matter how ridiculous.

Later,
Carroll

@citfa,

You're a fraud! You said Teslas and Henries were like apples and eggs. How come Tinselkoala and Milehigh are no longer posting? You stated that you were getting me permanently banned from the Overunity site. Drop dead you stinking crank!

[bistander]

Units confusion

@citfa,

You're a fraud! You said Teslas and Henries were like apples and eggs. How come Tinselkoala and Milehigh are no longer posting? You stated that you were getting me permanently banned from the Overunity site. Drop dead you stinking crank!

The tesla is the unit of flux density and in SI base units is webers per square meter, abbreviation (Wb/m^2). The henry is the unit for inductance and in SI base units is webers per ampere, abbreviation (Wb/A). Clearly the unit henry is not the same as the unit tesla.

The A in the denominator of (Wb/A) is the abbreviation for amperes not used as a symbol for area in this context. I can only guess that is where Allen's confusion about equivalency arises.

Apples and eggs. I like that. Been trying to think of an appropriate analogy.

bi

[citfta]

@citfa,

You're a fraud! You said Teslas and Henries were like apples and eggs. How come Tinselkoala and Milehigh are no longer posting? You stated that you were getting me permanently banned from the Overunity site. Drop dead you stinking crank!

Tinselkoala and Milehigh are no longer posting because you are no longer posting foolishness they need to correct. Neither of them has been banned.

I stated that I had asked that you be banned. And I DID! As far as I know you have only been put on moderated status AGAIN because of your constant badgering of the respected members there. If you have actually been banned then all I can say is HOORAY! Maybe you and Zephir can go and start you own forum so that you can both harass and badger anyone you want without repercussions.

And my user name is citfta which you have never gotten right. If you weren't so entertaining I would ask Aaron to ban you from this site also. But you need some place to demonstrate your complete lack of electronic knowledge. Do you stay up all night thinking of ways to mix up electronic terms?

[Allen Burgess]

Tinselkoala and Milehigh are no longer posting because you are no longer posting foolishness they need to correct. Neither of them has been banned.

I stated that I had asked that you be banned. And I DID! As far as I know you have only been put on moderated status AGAIN because of your constant badgering of the respected members there. If you have actually been banned then all I can say is HOORAY! Maybe you and Zephir can go and start you own forum so that you can both harass and badger anyone you want without repercussions.

And my user name is citfta which you have never gotten right. If you weren't so entertaining I would ask Aaron to ban you from this site also. But you need some place to demonstrate your complete lack of electronic knowledge. Do you stay up all night thinking of ways to mix up electronic terms?

@Citfta,

You're not getting anywhere with your complaints. No one listens to you. The deal Stephan struck with those two monsters was that they agree to stop commenting in exchange for renewal of my moderated status. I'm still commenting here on Energetic forum as Allen Burgess while they're down, so I won! You're just some kind of phony ass kisser.

[citfta]

@Citfta,

You're not getting anywhere with your complaints. No one listens to you. The deal Stephan struck with those two monsters was that they agree to stop commenting in exchange for renewal of my moderated status. I'm still commenting here on Energetic forum as Allen Burgess while they're down, so I won! You're just some kind of phony ass kisser.

Absolutely false as anyone that knows you would already know. As usual you are making false statements with nothing to back you up. Just like all the rest of the ridiculous claims you make. Where's the proof!

[bistander]

Save

Pardon my use of this space, but I'd like to save Allen's post before he can edit it as he has done to other posts after my replies. I'll add some comments later. Thanks. bi

@bystander,

Tinman's measuring his Tesla serial bifilar pancake coil for Overunity and trying to gauge his real A.C. power with a complex RMS equation involving phase angle of current and voltage.

The bifilar coil is storing this electrical power in a magnetic field. Measuring the flux density of the field is a much simpler way of measuring for gain. You , Citfta and those other two turkeys over at O.U. argued with me that a Tesla is not an inverse Henry?

A simple measure of "Flux Density" in Tinman's bifilar is a much more accurate measure of "Real Power" than the measurement of A.C. power with the RMS equation that's too complex for Tinman to deal with.

You have ridiculously argued with me about the electrical power equivalency of flux density along with Citfta the entire time, falsely claiming that the Tesla, Henry and Watt hour are incongruous values such as apples and eggs?

[bistander]

More Allen

Quote from Tinselkoala,

"Repeating the above calculations and taking the scope's reported RMS values and phase shift as "exact", along with a more precise measurement of the DC coil resistance as 10.4 ohms, I get

Total Input Power = 0.011846 W or 11.85 mW.
Total dissipated power in R1+R2+Rcoil = 0.01178 W or 11.78 mW.

Rounding to three significant digits we have 11.8 mW in = 11.8 mW out".

What about any power stored by the bifilar coil in the form of "Magnetic Flux"?

That would be reactive power in units of (var, volt amperes reactive). If you care to learn more about AC power, see:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power

[mikrovolt]

On the subject of measuring pancake coils at resonance.
My opinion after watching methods used by TinselKoala's compared to rwg video.
The method used by rwg would be preferred. The current probes could be used
in the lower frequencies such as music.

Meanwhile the analog simulation has made considerable progress.
Relax, Aaron will not remove someone unless they cause real trouble.

[bistander]

Allen's grudge

Boggles my mind. No idea why I am grouped with Allen's adversaries from some other forum of which I am not nor ever been a member and seldom visit. But he has included me in this explanation. I am attempting to avoid participating on the thread where he posted it. It does seem off-topic for that thread but the OP BM doesn't appear to object. Here it is along with another of his posts of about 2 hours earlier that day.

I've been out foxing four know it all "Flat Nose Maze Mice" since Easter. Inductance is a limited area like Trigonometry. Current density is current intensity. Ampere worked his equivalency theory out with Gauss, then Maxwell refined it to include current displacement (A.C.) RMS cosine values, simplified by Heaviside; then Biot-Savart plate charge "Charge equals Flux" in capacitors, then Lorentz and the electron in a magnetic field in free space then Einstein.

I challenged these heavey weights first on he Overunity site, then back here on Energetic Forum, not as a nice guy, but to repay them for insulting me over a discharge curve comparison. None of them; bistander, Milehigh Tinselkoala nor Citfta can read or understand the algebraic expressions commonly used in our inductance formulas. They're all completely ignorant in the field of Physics. All these men were Physicists: Oersted, Ampere, Gauss, Maxwell, Heaviside, Biot-Savart, Lorentz, Joseph Henry, Nicola Tesla and Albert Einstein etc. These electronics "Scope Gadgeteers" never signed up for one Physics course between the lot. Physicists have no need for Oscilloscopes.

I set out to make that group of "Thamsanka Wizards" look like a pack of chumps. I have a Milehigh decal painted on my cowling at this time.

None of them; bistander, Milehigh Tinselkoala nor Citfta can read or understand the algebraic expressions commonly used in our inductance formulas.

I can't speak for the other three gentlemen, two of whom I don't know and have never communicated with, citfta and I have exchanged a few messages, but I do understand the math associated with inductance formulas quite well.

These electronics "Scope Gadgeteers" never signed up for one Physics course between the lot.

Not speaking for the other three, but I have done well in college level physics courses even teaching same at university senior engineering level.

"Charge equals Flux"

I wonder why Allen put this in quotes. It has occurred to me that it may be a prime source to his confusion when he continues to maintain the electric charge is magnetic flux. He needs to realize that D is not B.

but to repay them for insulting me over a discharge curve comparison

I never insulted Allen over a discharge curve. I may have told him he was mistaken, but not an insult. I don't think I have insulted him at all. Not my style. I just try to stick to the facts. This is my first contact with Allen and you can see that I was polite and tried my best to be helpful.

Hi Allen,

Your terminology is confusing. "BEMF current"? What is it? A voltage? Or a current? Can't be both.

The behavior of voltage across the inductor and current through the inductor is well established during the storing of energy (building the magnetic field) and during the decaying of the energy (collapsing magnetic field).



As you can see, IL (current through the inductor) is in the same direction for both the storage and the decay phase. VL (voltage across the inductor)is opposite polarity for the decay phase.

Hope that helps,

bi

That's right! Bistander can't understand that. That power would consolidate into high volt high amp pulse that would sustain the Tesla field for perhaps a second and need to be repeated serially to maintain it. A second look at the equations will reveal a proportion of WH/Sec.

Ampere's force law is Ampere per second to gauss

So Allen, assuming you read this, if you have a superior grasp on the subject, please identify the specific equation which you reference here:

A second look at the equations will reveal a proportion of WH/Sec.

And then clarify your units of WH/Sec. Is that watt hours per second or watt henries per second? And what do you mean by "reveal a proportion"? Is that a ratio? Of what to what?

Ampere's force law is Ampere per second to gauss

Please show me where it is stated in Ampere's force law that Ampere per second relates to gauss.

Not that I expect any answers from Allen. Whenever our discussions or arguments get to the point where he needs to provide proof, he has chosen to go hide in some flying saucer thread or such. He is big on insults and claims but short on logic and proof.

Later,

bi

[SlickDick]

Not that I expect any answers from Allen. Whenever our discussions or arguments get to the point where he needs to provide proof, he has chosen to go hide in some flying saucer thread or such. He is big on insults and claims but short on logic and proof.

Later,

bi

Then why the effort? I mean, I understand where you coming from... Still... why?