Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[Iamnuts]

How?

Speed of light. 3 squared =9
Times weight. 9 times 20=1.8 joules
TNT kiloton. 4.184
1.8. Divided by 4.184. = 430,210 kiloton.

[ricards]

OK I'm with yah, E=MC^2

can you fit that equation with the energy of a pressurized vessel?.
or maybe the potential energy of a pressurize bottle?.

the energy of a lightning..

the energy inside the hot core of our planet...

or simply the kinetic energy of a moving object..

[Iamnuts]

More to the point.

Better still, can you find 1500 watts in a dead battery???
John.

[ricards]

that is like saying can you find 1500 watts in a capacitor?.

I'm sorry I don't see the point..

[Iamnuts]

that is like saying can you find 1500 watts in a capacitor?.

I'm sorry I don't see the point..

What we're trying to figure out is where the 1500 watts comes from in a 3 battery system.
Turion mentioned. COP more than one.
Lightning gave me an idea, does a Van der Graaf generator have a COP more than
one or does the friction involved in the triboelectric effect make an energy balance?
Can electricity be manipulated in the same way as heat (heat pump)?
John.

[tachyoncatcher]

From Something

"Can electricity be manipulated in the same way as heat (heat pump)?
John."

Bingo! Does the excess heat come from nothing? Of course not. Neither does a COP greater than one. It just an expression of something we don't really have a good handle on yet. Like a heat pump pulls from ambient air, so does the systems that have COPs greater than one pull from ambient space. A better use of the innovative spirit on this forum would be to learn what that process/conversion is, so that regulation/consistency can be achieved. All this banter of what is and what isn't does nothing to forward the progress of finding the unknown. Sharing unexpected results is what moves innovation in a POSITIVE direction. Good or bad results. This way the same mistakes are not made over and over.

This is not a personal attack on anyone or compliment to those sharing. It is my opinion of what direction this forum has been allowed to go through the expression of insults and not disagreement. Is there more to the physics of electricity than what our current physics allow? Absolutely! We, no more have all the answers today, than our ancestors did 200 years ago. Those, 200 years from now will laugh, as we do about the presumptions of past, at our current "understanding". I think we should spend our energy on those unknowns, make them consistent, then figure out where it comes from. In that order. You are either looking for improvement through experimental discovery, or you are not. Which are you?

Cheers,

Randy

[ricards]

What we're trying to figure out is where the 1500 watts comes from in a 3 battery system.
Turion mentioned. COP more than one.
Lightning gave me an idea, does a Van der Graaf generator have a COP more than
one or does the friction involved in the triboelectric effect make an energy balance?
Can electricity be manipulated in the same way as heat (heat pump)?
John.

The poison in your mind is that "The Energy" must come from somewhere.. It must have a "Source".. like it is something "Consumable"..
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed according to conventional science and physics.. what makes you think it can only be used once?..
you just need to find how..

another poison in the mind is the Energy can only be "Transformed"...
think about this.. a diesel generator continuously will consume fuel EVEN if you do not use the generated Energy in it..
so it's efficiency by definition is ZERO.
some would argue it has been converted to kinetic energy.. so then where does the kinetic energy been transformed to if your still not using the generated energy?.. heat.. friction.. etc etc.. and would come up with all the reason possible just to FIT the THEORY.

cool stuff..

Instead of asking yourself where the 1500 watts is coming from, its better to ask why is it doing that?..

what brings you to this kind of forum anyway?..
where is your optimism?..

back in the old days they say LED can only be used as indicators..
well luckily someone did not listen and the reason why we are using LED lighting in homes now.

[bistander]

Diesel example

...
think about this.. a diesel generator continuously will consume fuel EVEN if you do not use the generated Energy in it..
so it's efficiency by definition is ZERO.
some would argue it has been converted to kinetic energy.. so then where does the kinetic energy been transformed to if your still not using the generated energy?.. heat.. friction.. etc etc.. and would come up with all the reason possible just to FIT the THEORY.

cool stuff..

Instead of asking yourself where the 1500 watts is coming from, its better to ask why is it doing that?..
...

Hi ricards,

Good example. The diesel fuel is altered changing its molecular structure releasing heat, or as some would say, converting stored chemical energy into thermal energy. This thermal energy is converted into mechanical energy by the engine. The engine is only about 20-30% efficient, meaning for every kilowatt of mechanical power transferred by the shaft to the load, 3 or 4 kilowatts of power is wasted in the form of heat and managed by the radiator/coolant system. The shaft power is transmitted to the electric generator where it converts that mechanical power to electric power and used to drive the electric load and do useful work.

When you disconnect the electric load, no useful work is being done and output power in the efficiency equation becomes zero, so efficiency, output power divided by input power, is equal to zero. If the diesel engine continues to run, it continues to consume fuel converting it into heat. The shaft continues to rotate but without a resisting torque. So all the energy derived from the fuel and converted to heat is wasted, hence zero efficiency, or no useful work done. Less fuel is likely to be consumed at no load and most gen sets will slow down to idle when at no load reducing fuel consumption further, but what ever RPM, still zero efficient.

You mentioned kinetic energy. That only comes into play with a change in speed.

And I ask if the 1500 watts is real.

Regards,

bi

[Iamnuts]

Fact.

Virtually all the energy in our world comes from the Sun.
Food, oil, wind and hydro, it's from the sun.
There is a bit of nuclear and a tiny bit from the ground and that's it.
Apart from a 3BGS can anyone think of anything else?
John.

[Iamnuts]

Little gem.

Originally Posted by bistander View Post
It's just an example. But here you have have a big name FE researcher making a presentation at a major FE conference and can't even get it to work. How pathetic is that? Oh, and then sell video books on how to do it. Like "send me money and I'll tell you how to fail". Sound familiar?

[Ufopolitics]

Hi ricards,

Good example. The diesel fuel is altered changing its molecular structure releasing heat, or as some would say, converting stored chemical energy into thermal energy. This thermal energy is converted into mechanical energy by the engine.

Regards,

bi

Hello Bistander,

Sorry but your above statement "sounds" so clean...I mean, fuel is "altering its molecular structure..."...and am sorry but it is NOT ONLY ABOUT HEAT or just thermal release!!

When the farting machine BURNS FUEL it EXHAUST THAT BLACK LETHAL
GASES...which they have the audacity to call it "green gases"....how cool is that?

Point is...is not only heat -what this "conversion" is all about- but lethal gases expelled into the air, black, toxic gases that kills any human who inhale it for minutes without proper ventilation...best scenario by inhalation would be a respiratory failure which could be terminal or chronic disease.

I believe is now much better described the Diesel Engine Operation...

Regards



Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Green gas?

Hello Bistander,

Sorry but your above statement "sounds" so clean...I mean, fuel is "altering its molecular structure..."...and am sorry but it is NOT ONLY ABOUT HEAT or just thermal release!!

When the farting machine BURNS FUEL it EXHAUST THAT BLACK LETHAL
GASES...which they have the audacity to call it "green gases"....how cool is that?

Point is...is not only heat -what this "conversion" is all about- but lethal gases expelled into the air, black, toxic gases that kills any human who inhale it for minutes without proper ventilation...best scenario by inhalation would be a respiratory failure which could be terminal or chronic disease.

I believe is now much better described the Diesel Engine Operation...

Regards



Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

I don't disagree. Never said otherwise. I hate to be around diesel or any fuel burning. And hate what those by-products do to our environment.

I think they refer to greenhouse gases not green gases.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

Virtually all the energy in our world comes from the Sun.
Food, oil, wind and hydro, it's from the sun.
There is a bit of nuclear and a tiny bit from the ground and that's it.
Apart from a 3BGS can anyone think of anything else?
John.

perhaps it would be fair to ask..
do you have proof that virtually all the energy is from the sun?..

or did you just believe what you've been told?..

that's not a fact until proven.. still only a theory..

[ricards]

Hi ricards,

Good example. The diesel fuel is altered changing its molecular structure releasing heat, or as some would say, converting stored chemical energy into thermal energy. This thermal energy is converted into mechanical energy by the engine. The engine is only about 20-30% efficient, meaning for every kilowatt of mechanical power transferred by the shaft to the load, 3 or 4 kilowatts of power is wasted in the form of heat and managed by the radiator/coolant system. The shaft power is transmitted to the electric generator where it converts that mechanical power to electric power and used to drive the electric load and do useful work.

When you disconnect the electric load, no useful work is being done and output power in the efficiency equation becomes zero, so efficiency, output power divided by input power, is equal to zero. If the diesel engine continues to run, it continues to consume fuel converting it into heat. The shaft continues to rotate but without a resisting torque. So all the energy derived from the fuel and converted to heat is wasted, hence zero efficiency, or no useful work done. Less fuel is likely to be consumed at no load and most gen sets will slow down to idle when at no load reducing fuel consumption further, but what ever RPM, still zero efficient.

You mentioned kinetic energy. That only comes into play with a change in speed.

And I ask if the 1500 watts is real.

Regards,

bi

Bi,

are you sure you're not forgetting something?...
It's the very important part of the generator..

Can you really "Convert" or "Transform" the Mechanical Energy to Electrical Energy without magnetism?..

without magnetism.. where is the "Transformation of Energy" from mechanical to electrical?..

didn't you notice?.
there really is no DIRECT relation or conversion of mechanical energy to electrical?.. you need magnetism to do it..


the matter to energy conversion really is looking like an escape route to back-up the accepted laws of thermodynamics..

where does all the "Wasted" heat goes?.. if the sun is also heating us up.. oh I know.. "Global Warming".. GREAT!..

I'm not against any of that.. I'm just not contented with the way things are explained..

I'm more willing in believing the excess energy and investigate it by experiment than believe what I'm told.
so far.. It really looks like the excess energy is real. but not because it was created.. just not accounted for.
Energy doesn't really look like a FIXED Quantity..
more like only the "Quantity" something that you can quantify.. but really not a something...

[bistander]

Energy and stuff

Bi,

are you sure you're not forgetting something?...

No, I didn't.

It's the very important part of the generator..

Of course the electric generator uses magnetism.

Can you really "Convert" or "Transform" the Mechanical Energy to Electrical Energy without magnetism?..

In fact you can.

without magnetism.. where is the "Transformation of Energy" from mechanical to electrical?..

Pretty much every electric generator you could possibly use a diesel engine to power uses magnetism. It's a assumed fact. Didn't think I needed to mention it.

didn't you notice?.

You're kidding.

there really is no DIRECT relation or conversion of mechanical energy to electrical?.. you need magnetism to do it..

Magnetism is most common. But piezoelectric is another way. Or thermocouple will convert heat directly to electricity.

the matter to energy conversion really is looking like an escape route to back-up the accepted laws of thermodynamics..

I don't follow. Pretty much every joule can be accounted for using conventional physics in the diesel electric example.

where does all the "Wasted" heat goes?..

Obviously into the environment.

if the sun is also heating us up.. oh I know.. "Global Warming".. GREAT!..

I'm not against any of that.. I'm just not contented with the way things are explained..

Sorry about that. I was just trying to help.

I'm more willing in believing the excess energy and investigate it by experiment than believe what I'm told.
so far.. It really looks like the excess energy is real. but not because it was created.. just not accounted for.
Energy doesn't really look like a FIXED Quantity..
more like only the "Quantity" something that you can quantify.. but really not a something...

OK. Whatever. I don't understand "excess energy". Like too much fun? Or extra money? Or she's too good lookin'? I think there's adequate energy. Man just needs to manage it better.... A lot friggin' better.

Regards,

bi