Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Ernst]

When i posted i knew that SHILL ""dr green"" wouild react ! I knew it. I can smell a shill from miles.
So multiply anything he says/said by -1 and you have the right answers. But enough of this ugly liar who lives in a trailer.

Why doesn't (shill) Green talk about Moray ?
All his shill activities work counter productive.

Didn't you just say "enough of this"?
Then let me say that again.
Talking about "counter productive" ??? What on earth do you think you will accomplish with cluttering up threads with name-calling? If anyone wishes to resort to such immature behaviour then please start a separate thread for that so that HERE we can focus on Wardenclyffe.
I can fully understand anybody's frustration if either you can not get your idea accros or if someone refuses to agree with your ideas. But that is just how it is and actually it that, which gives a forum like this its power.
If we would all share the same thoughts, then all your lifes are useless and I can do all the thinking for all of us.
Please play on the ball, not on eachother!

And actually Hobby-Eon, I do not see where your frustration is coming from. Didn't you say "Don't kill the dipole", and then dr-Green showed you that you are right?
Whatever it is, just drop it!



Ernst.

[dR-Green]

Didn't you say "Don't kill the dipole", and then dr-Green showed you that you are right?

I don't think I did. If the analogy in the diagram is accurate, and the sphere is filled with liquid or gas, then the pressure gauges will respond in direct proportion to the hand pump. When you push it in, it will compress the liquid or gas, the gauges will go up, and they will stay up until you let the hand pump back out again. Where is the dipole? The gauges are measuring pressure, not flow from a high to low potential.

[TeslaSecrets]

To resonate with 7-12 Hz you would need a helluva big coil and capacitor.
Far bigger than Wardenclyffe's was. Tesla must have been using an upper harmonic.

Another coincidental relationship between the pyramid and Wardenclyffe, is the networks of tunnels and water underneath. Egyptians were familiar with hydraulics and tunneling through stone.

Wardenclyffe was to be powered from the Grid or a generator, transmitting said power to great distance without wires. Using the spherical shape of the Earth, he could magnify this power, over time, but not necessarily gain any "free power".

There was mention of Colorado Springs running for some time after the power was disconnected. This is not necessarily an indication of "free energy" because it could simply just be stored pressure being released back over time. He pumped up the Earth, then once power was disconnected, the Earth simply maintained the vibrations for some time afterwards.

I believe the power source for Tesla's car operated in a different fashion then Wardenclyffe. This device seems more akin to the work of Moray. These devices involve the "high frequency" energy as the source for their power.

Attacks on character, show lack of character.

[dR-Green]

Refering to the possibility of a self-acting machine. If you read on from there, you will see that Tesla devoted a lot of (if not all) his 'spare' time to 'perfecting this idea'. Checking the time line described, the CSN and the 'rare notes' I have come to believe that Wardenclyffe was the project that he is describing here as his life work.

But how does the self-acting machine relate to Wardenclyffe? In the same article Tesla says this:

But my conclusions showed that if an engine of a peculiar kind could be brought to a high degree of perfection, the plan I had conceived was realizable, and I resolved to proceed with the development of such an engine, the primary object of which was to secure the greatest economy of transformation of heat into mechanical energy.

Where does the heat come from?

By combining this engine with a dynamo of special design I produced a highly efficient electrical generator, invaluable in measurements and determinations of physical quantities on account of the unvarying rate of oscillation obtainable by its means.

By this description, one could say that the modern (practical) equivalent is a crystal oscillator, or a signal generator.

By the use of such machinery as I am perfecting, its cost will probably be greatly lessened, but even then its commercial success will be questionable. When, used as a refrigerant it is uneconomical, as its temperature is unnecessarily low. It is as expensive to maintain a body at a very low temperature as it is to keep it very hot; it takes coal to keep air cold.

Later in the article:

We are thus enabled to get a continuous supply of electrical energy by merely supporting a wire at a height, but, unfortunately, the amount of electricity which can be so obtained is small.

Supposing that you take this principle, a length of wire at a height connected to earth on the lower end, you get a continuous supply of electrical energy. Why is this, what is the physics behind it? Would it still work if the wire was charged to a few hundred thousand volts at the top?

I don't see any way that any of these ideas are compatible, on the scales that other people claim, but they certainly work individually for their given applications. As for what it all comes down to:

I worked for a long time fully convinced that the practical realization of this method of obtaining energy from the sun would be of incalculable industrial value, but the continued study of the subject revealed the fact that while it will be commercially profitable if my expectations are well founded, it will not be so to an extraordinary degree.

Power the transmitter with a solar panel, wind turbine, water turbine, the temperature difference in your compost, whatever. You are harnessing the energy of the sun, just as Tesla said. It's all free energy providing that you own the device that converts it. As it stands, in my opinion everyone is off on a wild goose chase not utilising any free energy that's right under our noses, with individuals calling people a shill for pointing it out. They should also be calling Tesla a shill:

It is possible, and even probable, that there will be, in time, other resources of energy opened up, of which we have no knowledge now.

This Schumann-story is in my opinion a disinformants work.

I wasn't advocating that, I mean theoretically in the most general terms

If you go through the designs and the CSN (which is in my opinion closely related to this project) you will find that the former was probably between 100 KHz and 200 KHz (to be on the safe side ). The latter Tesla specificly says can be any frequency, but looking at the design it looks pretty obvious that this frequency was considerably lower than 100 KHz. Tesla does mention a frequency of around 30 KHz as 'most suitable' for power distribution in this manner. The design however suggests a frequence still lower, more likely in the 1-1000 Hz range.

The Magnifying Transmitter operated at 45 kc.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post202262

[TeslaSecrets]

Like it or not the Schumann Resonance is based on the surface diameter of the Earth. Using a value for the Earth's average diameter from here:
Diameter of Earth
( random choice )
We have the average diameter of the Earth at 12,742 km = 12,742,000 meters
Circumference = PI * D so we get 40030173 meters around the Earth.
Plugged into wave equation:
Frequency = 2.99792 E 8 / 40030173 gives about 7.5 Hertz

10-12 Hz puts the wave inside the Earth, somewhere deep under the surface.

[Ernst]

@dR-Green,
You said:

I don't think I did.

I think you did. When you create a high pressure, you put more gass in a certain space. This gass comes from somewhere where consequently a low pressure is formed. Looking at the MT, first current (charge) is drawn from the Earth and stored in the elevated capacitor. ==> Low preasure Earth, high pressure cap. Then this process is reversed creating the opposite charge distribution. So there is your dipole Earth is one pole, the cap is the other.

The Magnifying Transmitter operated at 45 kc.

Yes, the one in Colorado Springs may have been, but that does not necessarily mean that Wardenclyffe was too. And then, this is only the 'free system' or power supply. With the potential generated another system was set in motion. See 'rare notes'.
All the other points that you mention, I believe I have covered in the first 2 posts opening this thread.

@TeslaSecrets,

To resonate with 7-12 Hz you would need a helluva big coil and capacitor.

Not necessarily. Please read this.
You just need to be able to generate this frequency and as I said before that can be done. (my second last post before this one)
You are correct about the relationship between the Schumann frequency and the Earth circumferance. Now please, calculate for me how long it would take for a pulse travelling at light speed, to travel through the Earth (through its center) to the opposite side and back.

Ernst.

[Raui]

TeslaSecrets,
I don't think you're quite on the mark saying that the wave is deep within the earth. Now I could be wrong but I think you're assuming that the wave Tesla uses travels around the globe like the energy for Schumann resonance does. The resonant frequency Tesla cites as being around 12 Hz is for an entirely different resonant mode to Schumann Resonance. Schumann Resonance is based on energy travelling around the Earth. Tesla repetitively stated that the current travels through the Earth, not around like normal electromagnetic radiation. The resonant frequency would be the inverse of the period for the energy to travel to one end of the earth and then back again or 2 * diameter of Earth or:

f=c/2d

Where;
c is speed of light
d is the diameter of earth (12,735,000 m)

Gives f = 11.77Hz


EDIT: Didn't see your post Ernst, this gives you the number you wanted above. 11.77 s^-1 = 0.085 seconds

Raui

[dR-Green]

I think you did. When you create a high pressure, you put more gass in a certain space. This gass comes from somewhere where consequently a low pressure is formed. Looking at the MT, first current (charge) is drawn from the Earth and stored in the elevated capacitor. ==> Low preasure Earth, high pressure cap. Then this process is reversed creating the opposite charge distribution. So there is your dipole Earth is one pole, the cap is the other.

But where is the dipole in the transmission line, between power supply and load? It's a monopolar transmission system. One sphere, the pump goes in or out, the pressure gauges respond, they don't need another reference point, or two poles. Hobby Eon said it as if it was a revelation, but if it's a revelation that you shouldn't short out the TMT or any "Tesla coil" and "kill the dipole" by connecting a load across it (connecting a pipe from the bottom of the pump back up to the top) then I don't know what to say.

Yes, the one in Colorado Springs may have been, but that does not necessarily mean that Wardenclyffe was too. And then, this is only the 'free system' or power supply. With the potential generated another system was set in motion. See 'rare notes'.

Yes, Wardenclyffe is a different design. The given frequency is of both the secondary and the power supply in CS.

6) SECONDARY COIL DIMENSIONS AND CONSTANTS

Diameter: 15 meters
Height: 1 meter
Number of Turns: 17 numeric
Mean Length of Turn: 47 meters
Total Length of Turns: 800 meters
Luminal Wavelength: 3200 meters
Self Capacitance: 1500 picoFarad
Self Inductance: 10 milliHenry
Luminal Frequency: 94 Kc/sec
Free Space Frequency: 64 Kc/sec
Actual Frequency: 43 Kc/sec
Free Space Propagation: 68%
Actual Propagation: 46%
Transmission Impedance: 2500 Ohm
Dielectric Burden: 330 picoFarads

[GSM]

Through the Earth ?????

Suppose the circa 12Hz Schumann frequency relates to circumferential Radiant energy from Solar-polar emanations;

f = ('c' x Pi/2) / (Pi x d) ?

Such calculation would need to take account of atmospheric ionisation height and layer angle at the polar regions.

Cheers ........... Graham.

[Ernst]

@ dR-Green,

It's a monopolar transmission system.

Correct, so it is impossible to kill the dipole.

Just to make sure we are talking about the same things here. Please look at the 'rare notes' figure 7. That is the Wardenclyffe schematic on the left. The coils on the far left are only the power supply of the whole system. This power supply has its HV-end in some way connected to the second coil on the left.
The system on the right is the receiver. Read the included letter on page 1 from May 29 1901 which gives a brief explanation of this system.

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

You may all be correct about the wave being transmitted across the diameter of the Earth. Very Interesting.

As for this paper :
Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver

I understand what this author is saying, and believe this applies to some situations, but not all. His argument seems somewhat circular. He proposes the atom resonates with the em energy, and so has a much larger field, which can receive the longer wave. But how is the atom originally receiving any em energy to grow in size, if it has not yet received any energy, and thus has not grown in field size, and thus cannot receive the em to begin with?

This paper is just a technical run around in my eyes.

He declares in this paper :

After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave.

Which has been proven incorrect in special circumstances:

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics
Phys. Rev. Lett. 79, 1626 (1997): Positron Production in Multiphoton Light-by-Light Scattering

Einstein too predicted scattering of light by light.

There is more going on here than what this paper implies.

[TeslaSecrets]

If we had a small hollow rubber sphere, say 1 cm in diameter, and could pulse it with pulses of pressurized air, so as to increase and decrease its volume, it would send these pressure waves out around it.

There is no reason we could not pulse the sphere at 1 Hertz, even though its size is only 1 cm.

[Ernst]

@TeslaSecrets,
About this paper on receiving frequencies lower than the natural resonance frequency.
An atom does already radiate an alternating EM field, because there are electrons circling around. The orbit radius determines the frequency and thus every type of atom has its specific frequencies.

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

@Ernst

An atom does already radiate an alternating EM field, because there are electrons circling around. The orbit radius determines the frequency and thus every type of atom has its specific frequencies.

Yes but according to this paper the ac field of the atom extends into space, to capture the wavelengths longer than the atoms diameter. As you said the preexisting ac field, would be the same size as the atoms diameter, BUT could not extend into space unless the atom received external energy. Atoms cannot radiate a field, without getting that energy from somewhere. If atoms were constantly radiating energy, they would collapse. The orbit frequency does not match the long wavelength we are trying to receive, so this near field would be a different frequency then the long wavelength and cannot resonate anyways.

If what this paper is saying is true, then the atom would have to gain energy at its resonant frequency first, receiving a higher frequency wave, in order to receive the lower frequency wave, but atom cannot resonate at 2 totally different frequencies. This really is changing a single step process, into multiple steps. It is a run around, which makes the idea seem far more complex than it is.

In the small hollow rubber sphere example, it is not the size of the sphere which determines its resonant frequency of expansion and contraction. In this case the frequency is determined by the elasticity of the rubber and the pressure inside. I see no reason why atoms could not operate in this fashion, and thus we can see easily how small objects can have long wavelengths, because the size isn't the contributing factor to the the wavelength. This solution is simpler. Only problem is we do not think of atoms this way yet.

[Hobby Eon]

When describing details of the Wardenclyffe schematic we see the extra coil which function it is to transform hi-impedance to low-impedance. Could we make something that feeds a low impedance directly and still works o.u. ?
I think of the Gray tube here but not its schematics.