Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[gyula]

Hi Gav,

I have sent you a PM (Private Message) in this Forum, see the upper right corner of the home page of this forum.

Gyula

hi Gyula, ill tell you about where i live first. i live in the middle of the bush at the bottom of a gully, surrounded by mountains, my house is only 30m above sea level, we have 3-4 natural springs on our property which we tap into to fill our water tanks, we have no mobile phone reception or radio, we had to spend alot of money for a special antenna so we could get a decient tv reception and we have a satalite dish to recieve internet.
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Gav

[Ernst]

Ok then, dR-Green and Boguslaw, so in your opinion ANY resonant transformer is a magnifying transmitter.
If this assumption is wrong then please explain to me what would make a regular Tesla coil a magnifying transmitter. So, what is the key feature of a magnifying transmitter, in your opinion.
Questions:
- why would Tesla invent a new name ("magnifying transmitter") for something that already has a name ("resonant transformer")
- if a 3 coil (prim, sec, and extra) system, such as you are building, would be a magnifying transmitter then how do you explain this:

It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second, and can be used in the production of currents of tremendous volume and moderate pressure, or of smaller amperage and immense electromotive force.

How do you propose to get "a few cycles per second" out of your magnifying transmitter?
- Quoted from the same article:

Judging from my past experience, as much as 100,000,000 volts are perfectly practicable.

I dare you to come up with a 2 coil resonant transformer design that can produce 1/10 of this.
- Same article still:

The 'World-System' is based on the application of the following important inventions and discoveries:
1. The 'Tesla Transformer.' ....
2. The 'Magnifying Transmitter.' ....

Why would these two machines that are the same thing in your understanding be mentioned seperately?

Throughout this thread, I get the distinct impression that you, dR-Green and Boguslaw, are in a mode of mindless opposition to anything I write here. Your recent "choking coil" explanation is a very good example of this. You are an idiot if you really believe there is any sense in that explanation. Yet, reading your other posts you seem far more intelligent than that. So what is it? What am I to make of this?
I do not intend to waste much more energy on this.

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

You've already answered your own questions.

Tesla himself calls the 4th coil a choking coil in CS Notes. By that description, it's a low pass filter. That's one experimental method of getting a certain effect, it's not the only method. It all depends on the rest of the system and the desired frequency. CS Notes is one huge experiment. This 4th coil isn't a part of the final setup.

It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second, and can be used in the production of currents of tremendous volume and moderate pressure, or of smaller amperage and immense electromotive force.

The 'World-System' is based on the application of the following important inventions and discoveries:
1. The 'Tesla Transformer.' ....
2. The 'Magnifying Transmitter.'

The extra coil raises the potential even higher, but the thing works on the same principle either way. Note that you may transmit and receive a signal to and from any combination of these devices. You can have a 3 coil transmitter, 2 coil receiver etc.

Why would these two machines that are the same thing in your understanding be mentioned seperately?

I never said they're the same thing, like black is not white, yet both are "colours".

Why in the rare notes would there be pictured a flat spiral coil with no extra coil, if the principle of operation is so different? Why in Tesla's original earth wave diagram, the transmitter pictured is a spiral coil?

I'm not in a mode of mindless opposition, I'm simply trying to illustrate the fact that it's really quite simple, you are making it more difficult for yourself and WANTING to add more complications to a system that isn't understood in its most basic form. So I apologise that such needless hindrance bothers me when it comes to other people when I should know better, that's their choice to make. I will wish you good luck whatever you are trying to do

[Ernst]

Why in the rare notes would there be pictured a flat spiral coil with no extra coil, if the principle of operation is so different? Why in Tesla's original earth wave diagram, the transmitter pictured is a spiral coil?

The answer can be found if you ask yourself this question:
In what way is the working of a flat spiral coil different from that of a cylindrical coil?
Or
What thing can you do with a flat spiral coil that you can not do with a cylindrical coil?

If you can find the answer to that, I you into the world of Nikola Tesla.

You are navigating through my posts in a very clever way making it look like you are answering them while in fact you are ignoring key issues. So indeed, the term "mindless" opposition may be wrong. But you are using your genious to just oppose whatever I write and to circumvent facts that clearly prove my point.
Enjoy your experiments! I really admire some of your experiments!
I am sure they will increase your already good understanding of Eric Dollards work.

For this thread now, does anyone else have a good explanation for the 4th coil that I showed on page 9 of this thread.

Ernst.

[Gav]

not sure about the rest but it looks as if the pancake coil is used to keep the energy alternating, the energy is pushed through the coil "magnifying" it, then collected back into the system to do it all over again, each time the energy passes through the pancake the energy is magnifyed making the energy in the system gain constantly by magnifying its own energy?

[Hobby Eon]

In my opinion the 4th coil can be seen on the right and it is the counterpart of the extra coil.?
It looks a bit off frequency. And schematicly it looks a bit like this.

[boguslaw]

Ernst

Your finding is a correct one. The first part constituting Tesla transformer were described in 1896 year patent , the magnifying transmitter seems to be the lonely coil attached to elevated capacitance and to ground which sorely purpose is to shake the Earth core. The pancake coil between them surprises me if connected with that purpose it should have a significant importance, but what ? I'm fully aware of the magnetic abilities of pancake coil and others but I have not yet found the complete answer how Tesla used it to wireless transfer of energy...except what he described in his own words : "freely vibrating secondary circuit" . That is for me however the essence of Tesla transformer, the rest (high inductance, low resistance) is to allow very long time of vibration and definitely the matching to Earth size.


Btw.....
If you Ernst think that I'm here for enjoyment of because somebody is paying me for throwing disinformations , then you are completely wrong about my intentions....I'm here to learn, because time is short when nobody would have electricity if we didn't decode the message. Unfortunately I'm also here because I can't push my research further due to lack of everything.
Note (may sound a bit strange ,sorry, it is for historical purpose) : roughly two years ago I built what I called "condensing coil" , with intention of patenting it ,but because of high frequency required to test it I postponed all experiments on it to near or far future. I simply cannot drive it (still something is missing , being the proper bias,my current knowledge or tools).
If this is what Tesla wanted to encode in his pictures then we are close....but it is not related to wireless energy transfer !

[Hobby Eon]

Can anybody see a difference in the workings of L4 if it is a quarter or a half wave long ?
I don't believe that it is some fase relation since that is not practical with these size of coils.

Offcourse i have seen that strange 2c effect. Weird indeed. Since i knew that
a dipole that was too high in resonance could be tuned down by adding coils
at the feeding points. But it appears if one overdoes this the resonate frequency starts to raise ??
I must accept this since i observe this.

[Hobby Eon]

Another strange effect

What most people don't know is that you can tap off electricity capacitively from a second Tesla coil. Tested by me.
I think even Tesla didn't know this.

[TeslaSecrets]

@dR-Green

How come no one is building or using wind or water turbines, or solar panels, geothermals etc? These are the things Tesla was talking about. He speaks clearly of harnessing the energy of the sun. Why isn't anyone doing it?

Seems to me these are the same old words and systems I always here about for harnessing energy from the Sun. These concepts for harnessing solar energy are incredibly inefficient means to harness this energy. These ideas of wind and water turbines, solar panels and geothermals are constantly hyped and repeated over and over in the textbooks, media and education system. In fact it is the oil companies and current energy producers investing bags of money into these technologies and there dissemination.

You say:

the oil companies are the ones promoting "Tesla's free energy"

Yet it appears to me the oil companies are the ones promoting "wind and water turbines, solar panels and geothermals" because they know these sources are simple woefully inefficient and completely inadequate compared to oil and gas technology. So long as people think these are the only ways to harness solar energy, then the oil industry is safe. So long as peoples concepts of solar energy are confined to the current concepts, then oil is the only way to go.

When Tesla talks about harnessing the energy from the Sun, he has a far greater vision in mind than inefficient "wind and water turbines, solar panels and geothermals" although he completely understood and utilized the current sources of power available to him. If you look back in this forum topic, you will see I do not use nor like these terms OU or Free Energy and point out Tesla always discusses the source of this Energy( so it is not free ), as either Solar or from the ambient medium, which is solar influenced no doubt.

Again, I am repeating a post on this forum already written, Tesla discusses the Solar Energy as a thermodynamic gradient between outer space and the Earth, which with proper equipment we can harness as easily as a gigantic Thermopile stretching from Earth to Space could. This is tapping the solar energy in a much more direct and efficient manner. "Wind and water turbines, solar panels and geothermals" are all using solar energy, but in a indirect or roundabout way, whereas Tesla discovered a much more direct means. This thermal gradient is responsible for rain and wind, which powers the turbines, and the geothermal energy. When we realize there is likewise an electrical gradient between space and Earth, then we see the mechanism for the transfer of heat and light to the Earth from the Sun. So we can learn a much broader concept of Solar Energy, which threatens the oil industry.

"Now, but only now, we know that the force which moves electrons in their ellipses about the nuclei of atoms is the same force which moves our Earth in its annual course about the sun and is the same force which brings to us the rays of light and heat which make life possible on this planet"-Albert Einstein

To what force is Albert Einstein referring to here? If you read this quote carefully, you must realize it is not any force, of which we are currently aware because neither gravity nor electromagnetic forces, can explain all of these actions Einstein mentions. Gravity is considered responsible for planetary motion, but not electron orbits nor transfer of rays of light and heat. Although we consider electromagnetic forces to be responsible for electron orbits and transfer of rays of light and heat, we do not consider electromagnetic forces as the reason for planetary orbits.

So what force is Einstein talking about?

This is the same force Tesla harnessed for power.

[dR-Green]

These concepts for harnessing solar energy are incredibly inefficient means to harness this energy.

Please. I don't care how inefficient it is. The important thing is the concept. The inefficiency is a consequence of idiot humans. It will never get more efficient by complaining it's not good enough. Besides, why is the efficiency of the generating side so important to you? The loads are just as inefficient as they always were, so what difference does it make? Not to mention NASA are keeping the efficient stuff for themselves, that's democracy. The technology exists, the rest of the population don't have it because of their idiotic belief systems. The imaginary lines on the map are more of a hindrance than any technological issues.

[edit] Anyway, I'm sure Ernst won't appreciate continuing this discussion here, and I have no interest in continuing it either.

[Ernst]

I was about to give up on this forum, simply because it seems highly inefficient; the amount of energy that I put into it seems to remain unrewarded.
But I see some sense returning,... I think,... I hope.
For indeed time is short. Probably even a lot shorter than most of you suspect.

@ Boguslaw,

Your finding is a correct one. The first part constituting Tesla transformer were described in 1896 year patent , the magnifying transmitter seems to be the lonely coil attached to elevated capacitance and to ground which sorely purpose is to shake the Earth core. The pancake coil between them surprises me if connected with that purpose it should have a significant importance, but what ?

Aren't you refering to Hobby Eons pictures here?

I'm fully aware of the magnetic abilities of pancake coil

I was talking about the electric effects taking place in a pancake coil, but if you are refering to Hobby's contribution, that of course is irrelevant.

If you Ernst think that I'm here for enjoyment of because somebody is paying me for throwing disinformations ,

It certainly looked like you were teaming up with someone for the sole purpose of discrediting every statement I made. As if you were having some childish pleasure in it.

then you are completely wrong about my intentions....I'm here to learn, because time is short when nobody would have electricity if we didn't decode the message.

Glad to read you are more mature than that.

Unfortunately I'm also here because I can't push my research further due to lack of everything.
Note (may sound a bit strange ,sorry, it is for historical purpose) : roughly two years ago I built what I called "condensing coil" , with intention of patenting it ,but because of high frequency required to test it I postponed all experiments on it to near or far future. I simply cannot drive it (still something is missing , being the proper bias,my current knowledge or tools).

How high a frequency are you talking about? Any other obstacles?

If this is what Tesla wanted to encode in his pictures then we are close....but it is not related to wireless energy transfer !

Indeed it is not. That is what I have been saying from my very first post here.
Now read this quote from Nikola Tesla in 1904:

Progress though of necessity slow was steady and sure, for the objects aimed at were in a direction of my constant study and exercise. It is, therefore, not astonishing that before the end of 1899 I completed the task undertaken and reached the results which I have announced in my article in the Century Magazine of June, 1900, every word of which was carefully weighed.

Interesting? Why would every word be carefully weighed?
Slightly further in the same article we read:

It constitutes, I believe, in its principle of operation, means employed and capacities of application, a radical and fruitful departure from what has been done heretofore.

Where have we read similar (carefully weighed) words before? Something perhaps like:

A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS

The next year he writes:

However paradoxical, it is true, that by the use of this invention, power for all industrial purposes can be transmitted to distances of many hundreds of miles, not only without any loss, but with appreciable gain of energy.

And:

It is, essentially, a freely vibrating secondary circuit of definite length,...

Does this not ring a bell?
Haven't we read something similar before?
Like for instance:

A characteristic feature of the engine was that the work-performing piston was not connected with anything else, but was perfectly free to vibrate at an enormous rate.

Think! think! and not just about how to discredit my statements and make a complete and utter fool of yourself!

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Forgot this one from 1919:

In order to advance further along this line I had to go into the open, and in the spring of 1899, having completed preparations for the erection of a wireless plant, I went to Colorado where I remained for more than one year. Here I introduced other improvements and refinements which made it possible to generate currents of any tension that may be desired. Those who are interested will find some information in regard to the experiments I conducted there in my article, "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy" in the Century Magazine of June, 1900, to which I have referred on a previous occasion.

When it comes to the Magnifying Transmitter, he refers to Colorado Springs (of which period we have his notebook) AND to the 1900 Century Magazine article.

Ernst.

[techzombie]

Hobby Enron and Tesla Secrets are shill disinfo agents. just don't respond to them. For pitys sake even I see this.

[Ernst]

@ techzombie,
If you do not have anything "on-topic" to say, then please do not say anything at all. Saves all of us reading through garbage. If you want to say something about what they write, then say it, if you want to say something about what you think they are, start a separate thread.
Thanks in advance!

Something more on-topic then:
New video
Strike ring raised; seems slightly out of tune now.
Spark gap reduced to about 1/3.
Output about 60 KV.

Ernst.