Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Hobby Eon]

I thought i should react.

Hello some.
- about that analogy, the more balloons the less each gets. And where is
the overunity in that example ??
- Farmhand says in O.U.R.com that he doesn't believe in Tesla's overunity.
How did he get there since it is by recommendation only ?
- Why somebody else since he doesn't believe in this and spends all his time
here ? A normal person wouldn't.

So i throw another card in the game. The most skilled electronics engineer
that lived in Tesla's time was Farnsworth. He made a kind of diode patent
were he says a lot ..more then unity...very efficient... milliwatts in kw out..
etc. A hint ? Well he made three patents about the same sort of thing just
like Tesla did.
I don't aspect stablehands understand this with over 3500 posts.

[epwpixieq-1]

the Wheel Work of Nature

Sometime a picture is worth a 1000 words, in this particular case several hundreds Gigawatt of electrical vibrations. IF that measure, in some vague way, truly represents Nature's power - somehow I doubt it.

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All of this energy is Bolted in (and in some cases) out of the Ground.
These electrical vibrations do not disappear, they are in the Ground, and they continue to vibrate there (with some constant damping factor) as Earth is a (approximately) ball, and is a resonant cavity. May be this FLOW of Energy also make the earth rotate around its axis ( what a preposterous thought ).
In some ways I am tempted to think that we are forgetting about the forest and concentrating on the trees. While 100 - 120 years ago, the researchers where more acute to seen the forest.
Tesla was genius highly tuned to/gifted with seeing the Nature's Energy flow, and this is why he was able to methodically uncover/use whatever the others can not see/understand.

I hope you will appreciate it.

[TeslaSecrets]

@dr_Green & Farmhand

I thought for a couple days about what you two are saying and think I do understand what you two are saying and where your coming from.

My comment about radio was specifically about the Wardenclyffe station and not Tesla coils or Tesla transformers in general. I think this is where the misunderstanding arose. To say all Tesla coils are not radio transmitters would be disinfo, but I said no such thing.

I would like to clarify, yes a Tesla transformer/coil can be and is used for radio. I think we can all agree Tesla is now thought of as the father of radio and to say radio does not apply to his work would be disinformation. It was never my intention to make such a general statement. Understanding radio is important to understand Tesla's work, I absolutely agree.

What I was trying to get at by that post on Wardenclyffe, is there is much more going on with Wardenclyffe, then a simple radio, electromagnetic space wave, transmission system. It is far more complex than that.

We can use a Tesla air core transformer to transmit and receive radio, there is no argument from me here. The principles of radio do apply to Wardenclyffe, but just because there is this air core transformer in Wardenclyffe, we should not assume its sole and only purpose was for radio type transmission, as some seem to assume. Nor can we completely disregard the principles and concepts of radio, when analyzing this system.

A coil or transformer can be used in many different ways, radio being but one application. In a power transformer for example, radio emissions would be considered a loss. So if anything I am saying the sole purpose of Wardenclyffe was not radio transmission such as the local AM/FM tower is producing. Wardenclyffe and the local AM/FM towers have things in common, but just by comparing the design of each, you have to admit there are some major differences, the top capacitance being the main one.

I would say, if we could transmit entirely through the Earth, without any radio emission, you would not need a license, because such a system would not interfere in any way with the existing radio emissions. However, in practice there would always be some radio emission so the law would apply.

The diagram I linked, of the Earth transmission system, does not have anything to do with OU, and I did not say anything like this. The diagram simply points out a distribution system, which does not require running wires everywhere, in which the Earth is the wire. The drawing shows pressure gauges, not balloons, which have little draw on the source. If the amount of pressure taken by each gauge or "tap" is very small, orders of magnitude smaller than the stored energy, then these taps will have little effect on the whole.

Yes, a pressure gauge still will reduce the pressure being read by a small amount, but we still consider the gauge reading to be an accurate indication of the tank pressure. The small movement of a gauge needle may seem inadequate for power, but I suppose this depends entirely on the size of said needle, and the magnitude of the pressure we are dealing with in relation to the size of said needle. It is my belief the magnitude of the energy pumped into the system by Tesla, would always be many orders of magnitude greater, than any energy taken out of the system.

Using a feedback, or regenerative, or magnifying system we have the means to achieve just such incredibly high potentials. Not OU, just exponential multiplication of the original potential, to the point it almost "runs out of control".

Like the man who asks as payment, one penny the first day, and double that each day he works. 28 days later he is a millionaire. This is exponential multiplication and can be applied to potential with the proper equipment.

When Einstein formulated his famous equation m=E/c^2, he did not build the first nuke in his garage, yet the concept was still legit. The fact, I do not at present demonstrate these ideas, is not evidence I do not understand, if that is where you are getting Farmhand. I built my first Tesla coils many many years ago, did not photograph them, did not film them, the net as we know it did not exist at that time and I have been there done that. I posted images of my capacitor and spark gap on my site, but will not be reconstructing it in the near future. I am collecting components and so on, but it may be a year or two before I have what I need to do the project I currently have in mind.
When I do build said project, I will specifically film it and make sure your the first to see it.

It seems many are making the assumption that what Tesla was doing at Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs, can be scaled down and constructed in a "garage", which may or may not be the case. It is my opinion we would need a fairly large and high power setup, to really effect the Earth as Tesla was proposing, and this just may not be possible on a small scale. I think to properly evaluate Wardenclyffe, we would need something more substantial then some backyard project, likely a team of serious researches and a significant amount of resources, which for some reason I think would not receive funding under our current system.

I am of the opinion Tesla never did OU. Tesla simply tapped an, as of yet, not understood source of energy using an, as of yet, not understood method. The huge amounts of energy he was dealing with, depended on many different concepts, all combined together, and no one separate concept proves the whole. Tesla says many times, his final goal depended on many experiments he performed over many many years, each proving various parts of the overall project, but each individually was a separate concept.

Wardenclyffe was to be the final conglomeration of all these separate concepts into a complete system. We must understand how all these separate concepts were combined, as no one concept provides the answer.

I hope this clarifies some of my views on this subject for you.

[dR-Green]

It seems many are making the assumption that what Tesla was doing at Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs, can be scaled down and constructed in a "garage", which may or may not be the case. It is my opinion we would need a fairly large and high power setup, to really effect the Earth as Tesla was proposing, and this just may not be possible on a small scale. I think to properly evaluate Wardenclyffe, we would need something more substantial then some backyard project, likely a team of serious researches and a significant amount of resources, which for some reason I think would not receive funding under our current system.

Well, what would you intend to do with a big scale version anyway? Would you be prepared to pay the electric bill to run it so someone on the other side of the planet can do "something" with it at your expense? There would be no sense in it, especially as a first experimental unit, and even more so if people are not organised to cooperate. It makes no difference if it works over 500 miles if there is no one 500 miles away to receive it and tell you what happened, or they only want energy for free etc.

What I was trying to get at by that post on Wardenclyffe, is there is much more going on with Wardenclyffe, then a simple radio, electromagnetic space wave, transmission system. It is far more complex than that.

I think the problem here is a matter of definition/language. By "radio" I mean transmission/reception of intelligible signals, not air or earth transmission. Also the coils operate at "radio frequency". You can transmit a sine wave and receive energy. You can then modulate the carrier signal and you have "radio". Note Tesla envisioned being able to listen to important messages with his system through a device that you carry around in your pocket, I.E. a crystal radio. All from the same system.

I would say, if we could transmit entirely through the Earth, without any radio emission, you would not need a license, because such a system would not interfere in any way with the existing radio emissions.

Abstract

A proposal is made for radio amateurs in the UK to have access to frequencies between 501-504 kHz or 508-515 KHz at a transmit level of 10W ERIP, in order to extend their experimental work, and thus understanding of low frequency propagation mechanisms, from work complementary to 73kHz, 136kHz and 1810kHz. The two frequency bands options are proposed, as they are no longer used for maritime telegraphy in the Western hemisphere, their usage for non-directional aeronautical beacons (NDB) is being phased out. It is understood that it is unlikely, in the near future, that the channels will be re-allocated to another service.

Experimentation rationale

A frequency allocation around 500kHz will offer a number of unique opportunities and capabilities to the amateur service. This will include ultra-reliable regional ground-wave communication, and secondly, further significant opportunity for extending the traditional merits of amateur radio – operating skill, self-learning and social interaction – and also the broad benefit to the national science and engineering skill and knowledge base.

Rationale for 500kHz

Ground-wave (also called surface-wave) propagation at low and medium frequencies can provide reliable communication over medium and large ranges. The ground-wave signal propagates along the surface of the earth. Such communication is omni-directional and continuous and is therefore well suited to nodal or network type of communication. Since the ground-wave signal is not dependent upon the ionosphere, communications based upon ground waves are not interrupted by solar events (sunspots, solar storms, coronal mass ejection [CME]) or a high-altitude nuclear detonation that disturb the atmosphere. A recent burst of solar activity (November 2003) produced significant aurora and disrupted HF ionospheric communication for days.

The optimum frequency for ground-wave communication depends upon the aerial efficiency, ground-wave propagation loss, atmospheric noise and of course man-made noise local to the receive station. Given typical capabilities of radio amateurs, where aerials are far smaller than comparative commercial installations, the best S/S+N per watt of transmitter output occurs in the range 400 to 600kHz[5]. A frequency of 500kHz would therefore be ideal for low-information rate emergency communications, which was its rationale for being used for so many years as the maritime distress frequency. An aim for the initial experiments would be to confirm that within a 1Hz receive bandwidth and 10W ERIP from the transmit aerial, the estimated ground-wave coverage of 300km can be realised for S/S+N of 20dB.

RSGB proposal for experimental amateur radio access to 500kHz - Spectrum Forum - Radio Society of Great Britain

Also, you can receive the signal from regular commercial AM radio stations through the earth. You might be "less" detectable to the authorities driving down your street trying to pinpoint your location, but you would certainly be causing interference to others if these things aren't taken into consideration. The main purpose of an amateur radio license is to be aware of these things and to be aware of the frequency allocations etc. A foundation license is free, which will allow you to transmit up to 10 watts on the amateur/experimental bands, which according to the radio authorities is sufficient for 300km coverage using whatever commercially available equipment the average amateur uses.

[Ernst]

It seems many are making the assumption that what Tesla was doing at Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs, can be scaled down and constructed in a "garage", which may or may not be the case.

I consider it highly likely that what Tesla was doing at Wardenclyffe and Colorado Springs, can NOT be scaled down and constructed in a "garage". My "Garage Wardenclyffe" project is only a "proof of concept", intended to verify the working principles only.
At some point during the (real) Wardenclyffe project Tesla decided to use Earth resonance to transmit energy/signals. That may already be outside of my possibilities.

You can use a 3 coil transformer to raise 220 V to 200-400 KV (I could not at that time measure the exact output), as I have already demonstrated a few years ago. To me that was a proof of concept for the working principles of an "extra coil", scaled down to a 75 cm high model.

My "Garage Wardenclyffe" project should show the possibility of
- voltage multiplication by a feed back loop
- transmission of energy through the earth (any small amount would do)
- energy conversion from an until now unused source into (usable) electricity

The results so far are disappointing, but do show interesting points for further research.
- voltage multiplication.
a factor of 1.25 has been achieved. But I have found a very reasonable explanation for this poor result: If you have a 3/4 wavelength coil at resonance you will see that when in the lower and top 1/3 of the coil the current runs clockwise, the current runs counter clockwise in the middle 1/3 (and vice versa). In other words, the magnetic field of the middle 1/3 is always counteracting on the rest of this coil. That is, unless you wind the coil in three parts with the middle part in opposite direction .
So that will be my next attempt...
- transmission.
Using separate ground pins only very small distances (< 20 m) have been reached. Best results have been obtained when losses on the topload were minimized, even at the expense of full resonance.
- new source of energy.
Minor unexplaned effects have been noticed but at power levels way below the input power. Tesla's writings clearly indicate that rather high tensions are required, which have not been attained yet.

So much for this projects updates...

Ernst

[Farmhand]

Hello some.
- about that analogy, the more balloons the less each gets. And where is
the overunity in that example ??
- Farmhand says in O.U.R.com that he doesn't believe in Tesla's overunity.
How did he get there since it is by recommendation only ?
- Why somebody else since he doesn't believe in this and spends all his time
here ? A normal person wouldn't.

So i throw another card in the game. The most skilled electronics engineer
that lived in Tesla's time was Farnsworth. He made a kind of diode patent
were he says a lot ..more then unity...very efficient... milliwatts in kw out..
etc. A hint ? Well he made three patents about the same sort of thing just
like Tesla did.
I don't aspect stablehands understand this with over 3500 posts.

I don't get offended by people who can't even spell.
I don't spend all my time here.
I never said in a blanket statement that I don't believe in Tesla over unity, I
just don't think the transmission systems were intended to be free energy
machines and see no evidence to support it.

Go hard hobby horse or you might end up stabled ?

Why take jibes at me personally ? Got a chip on your shoulder ? It seems to
me you have a personal problem with me, what is it ? Since you don't even
know me , speak up, start a thread to defame me why don't you ?
Get over yourself, how many forum accounts do you have on this site ?
Be honest now. Your writing style is familiar.

I couldn't care less about the number of posts people make. The main thing it
shows is how long a person keeps the same name, how interested they are in
these things and how much free time they have.

My forum name is Farmhand if you continue to call me by other names for fun
then I will return the favor Hobbyhorse, who's riding you ?

I think your post was hilarious. Give us more. But don't mix insults and
innuendo in with other stuff in the same post. Make separate post with the
insults and innuendo, so there is no pretending what the purpose of the post
is.

Don't tread lightly or hold back, tell me what you think of me, what you think
of me must be very important to subject at hand.

Best regards

[Ernst]

Farmhand,
Please take this elsewhere, or better yet, wait until hobby becomes a pro.
Can this not be settled in PM's? Or is this a show off?
Don't get tempted into childish games, and think what would people who come here like to read?
All kind of personal insults or valuable info on "renewable energy"?
Should we suggest a seperate forum with a thread for every user to insult others or to be insulted? Then open a thread for me there, I would not even look.

Let's try to keep some value in this place.

Ernst.

[Farmhand]

No problem for me Ernst I was just defending myself in the relevant thread.
I did suggest Hobby start a thread for it. I would prefer to discuss the topic as
well. I can't be expected to start a thread for every time I feel I need to defend
myself. And if people are going to take issue with me personally I will respond in
the same thread. So if Hobby didn't get personal it wouldn't have been
necessary. To me PM's are for private discussion and I will not be responding
privately to such things aired in public.

Cheers

[Ernst]

Do you see then that there are two problems?
One with the hobbit (who is probably on meth) and one with you.
You feel the need to defend yourself.
Don't you see you are attacked by a baby?
You are not seriously going to defend yourself against a baby, are you?
You loose more than you can possibly gain from such action.

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

@dR_Green

Well, what would you intend to do with a big scale version anyway? Would you be prepared to pay the electric bill to run it so someone on the other side of the planet can do "something" with it at your expense? There would be no sense in it, especially as a first experimental unit, and even more so if people are not organised to cooperate. It makes no difference if it works over 500 miles if there is no one 500 miles away to receive it and tell you what happened, or they only want energy for free etc.

This sounds exactly like something JP Morgan would have said to Tesla when he discovered what he was proposing with Wardenclyffe. This is viewing the concept of Wardenclyffe from an economic or business perspective and shows a lack of understanding of how Wardenclyffe operated and the noble goal Tesla had in mind by giving the world freely available, un-metered power. Heaven forbid some third world country or person would have free power available to them. Your argument shows you think more about serving yourself, then serving others.

Using Wardenclyffe, power would have been available to anyone, anywhere, to do with as they wished. Deserts could be developed etc etc. But no, you just could not charge for this power, hence Warenclyffe was destroyed and the very idea is frowned upon and ridiculed today. I for one do believe such a system, if it had been developed to its full potential, could have greatly increased the production and overall state of humanity. Instead, this idea, of a global power transmission system, was suppressed for the gain of a small number of individuals such as Mr. Morgan and friends, in favor of our current wired, metered, power transmission grid.

Could you make millions selling the power with this sytem, no. Could this system improve the conditions of humanity as a whole, absolutely.

The "Ground Wave" system you reference, is only a type of low frequency, electromagnetic wave propagation system, which does fit within the definition of radio. Using similar transmitting aerials and systems as all other radio systems.

Ground Wave Propagation :: Radio-Electronics.Com

However, this is not how Wardenclyffe was designed to operate. Wardenclyffe was not a "ground wave radio transmitter" or a "sky wave radio transmitter". Tesla states Wardenclyffe was a World system, and did not have a limited range as does this "ground wave" propagation mode you referenced. Wardenclyffe operated on a completely different concept, much closer to a wired transmission system, in which the Earth itself is the wire, or a gigantic conducting sphere. As much power as possible was sent into the Earth from Wardenclyffe and very little energy was radiated as electromagnetic radiation, either into the sky or along the surface as a "ground wave".

I see this concept may be beyond your grasp dR-Green. Its not in any textbook, because Mr. Morgan and friends made very sure it never appeared in any textbook to maintain their monopoly.

@Ernst

I in no way am implying "garage" projects are of no value. To reproduce some of the characteristics of Wardenclyffe( like unlimited range ) would require a large apparatus, but one could still discover many of the principle on a small scale. It is entirely possible to produce the same type of regenerative, multiplicative, magnifying, feedback on a small scale, as what was used in Wardenclyffe. Its just to ring the Earth as Tesla proposed requires a certain minimum potential and power.

[dR-Green]

That is something someone who would be paying the bill would say, when it's received by ungrateful people who only want "more for nothing".

They expect you to pay for the copper wire for example, so you can provide them with free energy. At what point do they play the game and give away the copper wire and the materials at no cost, since they are the retailers and the suppliers, in order to bring this beneficial situation for all about? They don't play that game. They want the money they have, and they want more of it. More free stuff, more money. They don't care how much it costs you to give it to them, they don't care if you have nothing as a result, as long as the machine is operational and it supplies them with free stuff that's all that matters.

You blame J P Morgan. What of the masses? Where was their investment? If they had funded it then do you think the same problems would exist?

Heaven forbid that humans choose to cooperate towards a common goal that would benefit all.

I don't see how developing a transmission system is "serving oneself". What's the point of it? The radio station operator isn't serving himself by getting on the air beyond the enjoyment of doing it. It's for the benefit of anyone who would choose to listen. There's no point being on the air and transmitting if there is no one to receive it, just talk into the mic and pretend if that's the case.

It would make no difference to the masses of people whether their power supply is wired or wireless, they couldn't care less. Their TV works, they have a steady supply of beer. What more do they need? There is millions or billions of funding invested in the existing infrastructure, paid for by the people who pay the bills. If you think everyone will accept a new system and be ready to tear down what brings them TV with open arms then I don't think you have thought it through.

The ground wave reference was in response to your thinking that you don't need a radio license.

Also, metering it would be a very easy task. You simply put the meter between the power supply and the load. Local areas would still need to be wired exactly as they are now, existing meters could remain in place. The wireless transmission system is intended for large distances where cables would not be "practical" (unless the bill payers fund it), not every house is supposed to have a receiver in the garden, the cost would be phenomenal and it would be a waste of natural resources, worse than the existing transmission system. The "you can't meter it" argument is nonsense, a pitiful excuse coined by conspiracists or perhaps even conspirators who wish to shift the blame and distract from the truth. If the Tesla "fans" put their money where their mouth is then development could begin tomorrow. But that's not going to happen, is it. What's the excuse this time?

P.S. One doesn't need a textbook to tell them what they would observe in the universe when they are themselves able to directly observe the universe.

P.P.S. On misguided conceptions of selfishness, what benefit would a homeless person be to a charity that accepts money? He is forced to be selfish so that he has something to give away to begin with. But human society frowns upon being selfish, the homeless person must remain homeless until someone else saves him, that is acceptable. To do it himself is unacceptable, that makes him a selfish and unpleasant person, we're not supposed to like or encourage people like that.

As I said, would you be prepared to pay the electric bill to run the whole system? You would have to unless you devise some method of generating the power yourself. A power station would equally be costly. Whoever owns it is free to do with it as they wish. Now if there is any problem here then there is an obvious solution - be the owner. Simple enough. You attack me for contemplating such things, why do you not attack the masses for not volunteering, since they are the ones who would benefit? Why don't you give your own money away so that you may benefit yourself? Why do you expect someone else to do it on behalf of the entire population? Do you think that's fair? I'd like to see anyone try to justify that. Why is the focus on the individual rather than the herd? The herd could easily fund the entire thing, why do you pick on an individual? If you want to talk about serving self, you are talking to the wrong person.

[Ernst]

If the Tesla "fans" put their money where their mouth is then development could begin tomorrow. But that's not going to happen, is it. What's the excuse this time?

True. And a happy perspective. If the masses do not get "Tesla-tired" from people who misuse Tesla's name on "indiegogo" in order to get funds for their plans. As soon as I can proof the system works, I'll try to move the masses.

You blame J P Morgan. What of the masses? Where was their investment?

True also, but times were very different then. How many people you think knew about Tesla and his plans at that time?

Their TV works, they have a steady supply of beer. What more do they need?

2/3 of the world population has to struggle for survival. They do not have a steady supply of beer, they hardly have enough food. About 1/3 of the world population matches your description and about 1/1000000 of the world population has enough money to feed the struggling 2/3. You call that fair? What have they done to deserve this kind of luxery?
The Rothschilds, for example, financed wars. Millions have been killed so they can have their luxery. I think it is no more than reasonable to ask them now to do something good in return.

not every house is supposed to have a receiver in the garden

Didn't Tesla say that a device as small as a watch could pick up the signals from his world system? And that to light a household only a very small amount of enery is required?
I think a receiver will pay back its investment.

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

True. And a happy perspective. If the masses do not get "Tesla-tired" from people who misuse Tesla's name on "indiegogo" in order to get funds for their plans.

There's only one person I'd trust to get the job done properly.

True also, but times were very different then. How many people you think knew about Tesla and his plans at that time?

It's hard to say because we have the internet. It's also very hard to say because I'm not convinced that even 1% of the Tesla fans today even have an accurate idea of his plans, so "awareness" in that respect is useless either way. The Tesla fans of today are aware that he had plans to supply the population with free electricity, that's all that matters to them. If not for that then "Tesla who?" He was certainly a celebrity in his time.

2/3 of the world population has to struggle for survival. They do not have a steady supply of beer, they hardly have enough food. About 1/3 of the world population matches your description and about 1/1000000 of the world population has enough money to feed the struggling 2/3. You call that fair? What have they done to deserve this kind of luxery?
The Rothschilds, for example, financed wars. Millions have been killed so they can have their luxery. I think it is more than reasonable to ask them now to do something good in return.

You are overlooking one thing - why are they struggling for survival? They choose to use money, they choose to need money, therefore it's through choice that a majority can be in poverty. Why choose to need what you don't have?

What some have done and others have not, is realise how this whole game works and they can flow through it quite easily. The others think they are victims of the system which they themselves created. Certain individuals may have financed wars, but the people chose to go and fight those wars. You may say "ah but they were forced by the government". Who empowered the government? How does a small group of politicians/bankers have the power to send a million people to their deaths?

Either there is democracy, or there is not. They can't have it both ways, if they refuse to face reality then they must deal with the consequences, there are no victims, only within the fantasy world of passing the blame to someone else. The voting masses are equally responsible for the whole mess. If you vote a leader into power and he makes a mess of it, it's your responsibility. You should have done it yourself if you wanted it done your way. Or step up and boot the lot out of office. What we say goes whether they like it or not.

Therefore it can be seen that poverty, hunger, wars etc are all acceptable, they are tolerated by the masses, they are allowed to exist, it's a part of the society that we collectively create as two sides of a coin. If you want to get rid of one side then you must get rid of the coin altogether.

It's a huge can of worms which is why I refused to get into a philosophical discussion before. EVERYONE is going to have to wake up and play ball if they want this mess sorted out, calling upon some "leader" to save them all is the cause of it all to begin with.

Didn't Tesla say that a device as small as a watch could pick up the signals from his world system? And that to light a household only a very small amount of enery is required?

Yes, "signals". You can make a crystal radio the size of a watch and pick up the signals. You can plug bulbs directly into the earth/transmission medium and have them light, no receiver required. But that's no good for more demanding loads.

I should correct myself then, you couldn't put a meter on lighting in a practical way since all you'd need is a bulb and the earth. But since this is a very small amount of energy, we can safely assume that this is not the primary basis upon which J P Morgan pulled his funding. Unless he had foreseen the wastefulness of humans, given that the driving factor for saving energy is to save money. Take away the money factor and there is no control or limit over any consumption. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only thing that really prevents complete destruction of the planet and consumption of ALL natural resources in a brief instant is the fact that it costs money to do so. Did I say that money is a bad thing? I've changed my mind.

[Ernst]

There's only one person I'd trust to get the job done properly.

I know. And he is a capable man. But he too is misusing Tesla's name(s).
For example: "Wardenclyffe, but better" is NOT "Wardenclyffe, according to Tesla".
And as "Wardenclyffe" was a project by Tesla, I would say "Wardenclyffe, but better" is NOT "Wardenclyffe" at all.

You are overlooking one thing - why are they struggling for survival? They choose to use money, they choose to need money, therefore it's through choice that a majority can be in poverty. Why choose to need what you don't have?

I would love to see you explain this in Ethiopia.

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

I know. And he is a capable man. But he too is misusing Tesla's name(s).
For example: "Wardenclyffe, but better" is NOT "Wardenclyffe, according to Tesla".
And as "Wardenclyffe" was a project by Tesla, I would say "Wardenclyffe, but better" is NOT "Wardenclyffe" at all.

Eric isn't the one who wrote that.

I would love to see you explain this in Ethiopia.

Ah, then what is the solution? Send them £2 per month like the adverts on TV say? It hasn't solved the problem yet. It's not money they need. It's food and water. Why do they not have food and water? Do they not have legs on which to walk to an area that has such resources, as the entire animal kingdom does? It's a fundamental fact of life and evolution. Life exists in an environment that sustains it. If there are no resources to sustain life then you need to get the hell out and go somewhere else. What prevents this?

Giving them pity doesn't help, it only serves to sustain the situation. They are still in the same place now as they were 10 years ago, nothing has changed, and nothing is likely to change through repeating exactly the same that has been done for the last 10 years.

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.