Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[GSM]

Could a UVC tube within or near one end of a winding be used to induce (determine) the self and spatial resonant frequencies of that winding if the tube is trigger pulsed at RF via a tunable oscillator ?

(Warning - invisible UVC, including from flo tubes, can induce the release of electrons from human tissues as well, especially at eyes and sweat glands, and thus cause possible damage, plus isolated [Tesla] stinging effects.)

[dR-Green]

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Thanks, dR-Green!
Do you have a link?

Ernst.

The CRI begins here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post173671

But there's a lot of stuff before and after that. Also that's what this thread is related to

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ompendium.html

The basic information for making the coil is in the compendium thread (I mainly posted the stuff that I used for my particular setup) for convenience, but there's more stuff in the other thread as well relating to the CRI in particular and more.

[Ernst]

Could a UVC tube within or near one end of a winding be used to induce (determine) the self and spatial resonant frequencies of that winding if the tube is trigger pulsed at RF via a tunable oscillator ?

UVC covers a wide range of frequencies. The short wave end of this range ionises air which would definitly alter its electric properties. Perhaps even if it does not ionise air it would already alter its properties to some extend. This in turn would affect the coils capacitance and so also its resonance frequencies.

What do you have in mind?

Ernst.

[GSM]

UVC covers a wide range of frequencies. The short wave end of this range ionises air which would definitly alter its electric properties. Perhaps even if it does not ionise air it would already alter its properties to some extend. This in turn would affect the coils capacitance and so also its resonance frequencies.

What do you have in mind?

Ernst.

I believe the tubes encapsulate mercury vapour and that the radiation is of specific quantised frequencies only, with (from memory) wavelength equivalent ~0.25nm through thin glass. If the tube were pulsed, maybe it could cause ionised excitation (at high impedance) of a bare copper wire through electron emission at one end of the coil, with atmospheric (nominal insulator) charge re-balancing causing the coil to oscillate between pulses, and then resonate without any external contact, if the UVC tube was peak tuned at RF frequency.

Thanks for the question, for otherwise I would never have thought to explain.

Would make a good science trick if it worked - invisible resonance of a coil without any RF or alternating magnetic field.

Also the directional resonant field peak would be tunable/measurable via a nearby digital amateur radio.

Cheers ........... Graham

[Ernst]

I believe the tubes encapsulate mercury vapour and that the radiation is of specific quantised frequencies only, with (from memory) wavelength equivalent ~0.25nm through thin glass. If the tube were pulsed, maybe it could cause ionised excitation (at high impedance) of a bare copper wire through electron emission at one end of the coil, with atmospheric (nominal insulator) charge re-balancing causing the coil to oscillate between pulses, and then resonate without any external contact, if the UVC tube was peak tuned at RF frequency.

Answering from my memory, that would probably be 25 nm as the UV range ends at 10 nm.
That would indeed be a neat science trick! It may even work, but wouldn't it be more logical to irradiate a tin covered (small) top-load?
Back to Wardenclyffe... If Tesla used UV, I would bet on that it was pulsed. But this trick you are describing would render the 'free system' useless, wouldn't it? Also I doubt whether it would produce more power that it would take to flash those UV lights.
(or is there still more going on in your mind? )

I will remember to test this sometime.

Ernst

[GSM]

Hi Ernst,

I was only thinking about accurately establishing the spatial resonant frequency of a coil, and without need for any connection which does/will lower the recorded value.
I was not thinking of OU at all.

Oops, I should have written 'um' when using the 0. term.
Main mercury line for these tubes is 0.2537um = 253.7nm.

Cheers ...... Graham.

[dR-Green]

I was only thinking about accurately establishing the spatial resonant frequency of a coil, and without need for any connection which does/will lower the recorded value.

Look here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ompendium.html

[Ernst]

Mmm... I was just about to ask how would you verify that you have established resonance?
Then dR-Green reminded me to measure the uA/beercan.
Although UV at 235 nm does not ionise air, it does have some effect on its electrical properties. I remember reading about UV laser triggered spark gap (see here). They used a 266 nm laser and in their report they only mention the free electron effect. Elsewhere I read about some other effect that this laser has on air which results in a break down of the insulating properties. But now I can not find it.
Anyway, a pulsed UV laser (easier to use than a desinfection tube, I guess. But harder to get) and a beercan is what you need to establish a coils free resonance frequency.

Ernst.

[GSM]

Mmm... I was just about to ask how would you verify that you have established resonance?
Then dR-Green reminded me to measure the uA/beercan.
Although UV at 235 nm does not ionise air, it does have some effect on its electrical properties. I remember reading about UV laser triggered spark gap (see here). They used a 266 nm laser and in their report they only mention the free electron effect. Elsewhere I read about some other effect that this laser has on air which results in a break down of the insulating properties. But now I can not find it.
Anyway, a pulsed UV laser (easier to use than a desinfection tube, I guess. But harder to get) and a beercan is what you need to establish a coils free resonance frequency.

Ernst.

Hi Ernst.

Resonance ?
A single turn of wire say 5x coil diameter, and connected to a signal analyser or digital amateur radio.

Yes air will be ionised too, but there are many more electrons associated with metal to be ejected, and even if air beside the winding end is ionised this too will be neutralised and the effect on the coil would still be differential.

The main disadvantage I would see, is that whilst coil oscillation could be super-luminal, ionic recombinations are seriously sub-luminal, though at least there would still not actually be anything physical connected to the coil. Hence a practical approach could be made to more closely achieve theoretical root.pi/2 determination, even though any real world coil application (or antenna, or metal mass) is most unlikely to be without connection via at least one terminal as per superluminal radiators into luminal transducers - unless - such a coil(s) might be used as field intensifiers or focussing devices etc ?

Also any coil energised in this way would need to have its axis horizontal and say 2 metres above ground, for if when energised in the vertical axis the measured frequency would be lower due to ground interaction.
(Was this not something which Tesla did ? Mount a coil way high in the air for some measurements ?)

Just musing, and it might as well go down here.

Cheers ......... Graham.

[sorveltaja]

This thread got me to look at Tesla's patents more closely, after reading, how Ernst wondered, what's behind Tesla's 'fountain' -patent.

I share the same feeling, when looking at that very patent (1113716), and also the 'ship's log' -patent (1314718).

At first, It just didn't make any sense(at least for me), why Tesla, being scientist at a very high level, if not the highest, patented those.

But, how about combining the images of those patents, and looking, how they can be aligned to each other?

Just an example:


Pure coincidence, I guess.

[Ernst]

@ sorveltaja,
Why didn't I think of that !!!!!!!!!!
Great! Really! This is certainly something that we must try. dR-Green got me a few hours of reading through forum threads (and downloading some books/docs that I did not have).
Now I also have to go through all patents again. You guys sure know how to keep me off the streets!
Those patents that you combined, do you see any clue on what the purpose might be?

@ GSM,
I think it is a good thing to just theorise a bit sometime. You never know, you may some time hit on something really valuable!
Btw, Tesla did in Colorado Springs perform measurements on elevated coils but his main focus seemed to be on elevated capacitance (metal spheres).

I would like to start on the garage Wardenclyffe project, starting with the power supply.
What is needed is a HF spark gap. As the rise and fall times of a spark gap are in the 2 ns region (from what I read on this subject from other researchers) we have a theoretical max frequency of about 250 MHz (probably even higher). The good thing is I do not have to get anywhere near there. For most practical sizes I think we will be in the 100KHz-1MHz region. Another good thing is that when using such high frequencies the gap remains hot and this makes the discharges come at very regular intervals.

It is obvious that these frequencies can not be obtained by mechanical means, so we will have a stationary gap. But we do need quenching. For this I have been experimenting with the strongest neodium magnets that I could get and stumbled on some things that I am unfamiliar with. Once I find a good place to store some pics on internet I will provide links to them here.
First test:
Set up.
Two MOTs in series, rectified and charging their microwave oven capacitor. The spark gap in parallel with the capacitors (which are in series). The spark gap consisted of two platinum electrodes (1 cm long, 1mm round) held in copper connectors. About 2 mm between the electrodes.
Directly below the electrodes there was a glass sheet to protect the magnet (slightly over 1 Tesla surface strength). The distance between the electrodes and the magnet was about 5mm (2mm glass, 3 mm air).
Result.
The magnet pushed the spark away from the electrodes and held it steady in a half circulair shape between the copper connectors (at about 15 mm distance from each other).
In less than 1 minute both (!) MOTs died.
It then became visible that the spark had scooped out a piece of glass as if it (=the spark) was a hollow tube cutting through the glass without breaking it. Closer examination showed that this 'tube' was made up of rings.
I can not explain any of this. I just documented it and went looking for new MOTs..

Ok, I will get back after I find a place to put my pictures so I can show them here.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Ok, let's see if this works.
The first spark gap and what it did to the glass:
drawing:
photo:
Mmm, I thought the image itself would get copied here.
Oh well, a link will do. Drawn in red are the copper connectors, blue the platinum electrodes, black where the spark was kept stationary (I have drawn some white lines to indicate how this appearantly was made up of rings. I have only drawn a few lines but this pattern was visible over the full spark length) , the grey-ish square below the electrodes is the magnet.
The second drawing shows the sizes (in mm) of the channel that was scooped out of the glass. The scooped out glass broke in two pieces, the glass itself did not break. (on the picture you'll see that now it is broken, but that happened long after the test)

Before trying to get new MOTs I thought perhaps some more power would be in order. I got an old 22KW welding transformer and did this:

wrapped it up filled it with mineral oil and then it looked like this:

giving about 2500 V until the insulation between the core and the secondarys broke....
I made new secondaries, now for 20 KV with 2mm acryllic sheet between the windings and the core:

This one did pretty well for about a month until I heared a strange bubbling sound. I took the lid off and saw fireworks around the core (in the oil). I did not investigate it any further and decided that I was not put on this planet to build transformers.

Back to the MOT's (later this year I will try to get a NST 15KV/30 mA, but first I want to see this work)
I build this:

(until the spark gap, which is pre-heated by an old welding iron and magnetically quenched between 2 neodium magnets)
Everything holds pretty well but the resistor (50 cm glass tube filled with a very diluted Sodium Thiosulphate solution) starts boiling in about 10 s.
The spark gap does very well for short bursts of HF pulses but in continuous mode the cover plate starts burning (acryllic sheet).
I am building a new one using gypsum.
I could of course turn to a GU5B (russian triode tube) but if possible I would prefer a spark gap.

I'm sure there must be lot's of room for improvement here.
Shoot!

Ernst.

[GSM]

Hi Ernst,

I don't know how to see your photos.
All I see is a g'OO'gle page and video.
(I find g'OO'gle gets in the way.)

Before seeing I am thinking electrostriction, to which glass is susceptible.

Theory - mmmm ?
There are Fundamentals, and then there is 'science' !

(Only thing is, Fundamentals are hardly ever discussed
nor empirical findings interpreted at fundamental level,
because 'science' has interposed reason with assumptions, rules and false identities.)



Cheers .......... Graham.

[Ernst]

Strange!
I can see it.
But after clicking on the first link, I end up here.
second link gets me here.

Do those links work for you?

Ernst.

[GSM]

I was only thinking about accurately establishing the spatial resonant frequency of a coil, and without need for any connection which does/will lower the recorded value.

Actually this could likely be achieved by suspending a coil in free air by threads, and energising via a long fine needle-point from an ionising HV generator.
(Though maybe this thought of and done before.)

Cheers ........... Graham