Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Gav]

hi Gyula, ill tell you about where i live first. i live in the middle of the bush at the bottom of a gully, surrounded by mountains, my house is only 30m above sea level, we have 3-4 natural springs on our property which we tap into to fill our water tanks, we have no mobile phone reception or radio, we had to spend alot of money for a special antenna so we could get a decient tv reception and we have a satalite dish to recieve internet.
all i have done is use the ideas that i have gained from what i have read about teslas work and also others on the internet. first i used my metal roof as an antenna which was joined to a air cored ring coil and it was grounded to a copper tap, the system fed the energy back into itself continually, if i shorted it out so there was no energy in it, it gained the energy back very fast, after 5min it climbed to 30DCV and after 10min it was up to 45DCV and 80ACV, when i tryed to messure the amps it unloaded the energy into the meter and blew it up im not sure how high the simple system will climb to? ive dissconnected it from my roof as i think it is not safe to have that sort of power attached to the house and now i have a small 900mm x 1300mm sheet metal for an antenna
before this i eliminated any sort of leakage from mains power by doing tests with my garage roof and other metal objects
without the large metal surface (my roof) it does not hold the same amount of energy, now the system normally sits around 10DCV to 20DCV
my problem is that i dont have an electrical back ground, im just the sort of person that allways asks "why"? so i have done all this out of interest, i dont know how to make this usable and all i have done in the past is light up led lights (26 at once and all full brightness) and nearly had an electric motor running at 1 stage
i need to be able to use the energy with out triggering the system to fully discharge, if it is let to sit it will gain energy, ive now put that aside and im trying to learn everything i can about wireless transmittion so 1 day i will be able to tap into it wirelessly without disturbing its capasity.
i believe teslas personal systems were self runners, they did not have to create alot of energy so mains power would not be needed, even if he used a battery to give it its needed excitement it could be easily recharged by the system, wardenclyffe was designed to create huge amounts of energy so a large amount of energy was needed to create a continous amount of energy for the worlds use, and also to power what the tower was capable of that will be forever unknown
i believe the energy is allready in the air and earth, we just have to make it usable
Gav

[Ernst]

How come no one is building or using wind or water turbines, or solar panels, geothermals etc? These are the things Tesla was talking about. He speaks clearly of harnessing the energy of the sun. Why isn't anyone doing it?

But people ARE actually building these.
Speaking for myself; I have no running water near here, photo-voltaic cells are difficult to make, for geo thermal energy you'd have to dig quite deep. Wind energy could be harnassed here, but I do not find that interesting nor innovating.
Tesla mentioned these options. He did indeed and then he said:

A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS - POSSIBILITY OF A "SELF-ACTING" ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM - THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER.

Notice the last few words "The ideal way...". He is right, that IS the ideal way, and therefor it is a worthwile endeavour. I believe in persistence. Any problem can be solved as long as you don't give up and try something new every day. Some attempts will bring you closer to a solution, other attempts will show that you will have to continue in a different direction, but every attempt brings you closer to solving the problem. And as long as you do not give up the problem will get solved eventually.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Forgot....
I have put a new video on youtube
NewPowerSupply01 - YouTube
It is a bit of a low quality video, but it was just a quick test. You can't even see the sparks around the top-load. But they are there, trust me.

I have to remember to use a different camera next time. As it was only the new set up that I wanted to show, this video is good enough.

Immediately behind this coil you can see the start of my next project. But the camera moves to quick to really show it. I will add a better picture here from a few days ago.

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

but I do not find that interesting nor innovating.

You just hit the nail on the head

In "A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS - POSSIBILITY OF A "SELF-ACTING" ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM - THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER." he makes the principle clear. Stick a thermocouple on your motor that is wasting the heat, and turn the waste into usable power. Energy from the medium.

An example of poison: In a certain thread here it was said "put a fan on the motor to cool it down", while they are claiming to be doing the work of Nikola Tesla and developing higher efficiency motors, "free energy" they say. And yet they have just thrown the baby out with the bath water. The source of Tesla's free energy of which they claim to be utilising is a "problem", they want to get rid of it with fans, wasting more energy to run the fan which will produce more heat itself. The heat is the source of energy.

All this because they are searching for Tesla's "free energy". It's right under their noses, but they can't see it. It's not interesting enough, they're searching for magic.

If you want innovation then the task set forth by Tesla in that article is to plug every leak in the system, and where leaks are inevitable to capture and recycle it. You said it yourself earlier in this thread, efficiency. The engineering challenge is to devise "secondary" systems that are capable of plugging the leaks and to engineer it into the "primary" system, thus leading to highly efficient machines and systems. Until the matter of efficiency is addressed then the only driving factor for any sort of "advancement" is a finite reserve of the primary energy source i.e. panic, and the fact that people have to pay bills when they don't want to i.e. greed. But as long as it's free and there's enough so we don't have to be responsible for any of our actions then who cares how wasteful anything is?

[Ernst]

You just hit the nail on the head
In "A DEPARTURE FROM KNOWN METHODS - POSSIBILITY OF A "SELF-ACTING" ENGINE OR MACHINE, INANIMATE, YET CAPABLE, LIKE A LIVING BEING, OF DERIVING ENERGY FROM THE MEDIUM - THE IDEAL WAY OF OBTAINING MOTIVE POWER." he makes the principle clear. Stick a thermocouple on your motor that is wasting the heat, and turn the waste into usable power. Energy from the medium.

I do not know why you seem to have such strong feelings against the idea that the magnifying transmitter may in some way tap into an energy source that we are unaware of.
I may be wrong, I do not know you, but it almost feels as a sort of religious fanatism:

The magnifying transmitter shall not produce OU !!!!

Is it wrong for anyone to believe that this might be the case and do research on that?
Just let me believe what I wish to, and do what I like. I am not hurting others. And even if I will never find what I had been looking for, I may still find other fascinating stuff.

Your interpretation of the 1900 article is quite different from mine. Sticking a thermocouple on your motor? How is that a departure from known methods? And where exactly is he suggesting that, in your opinion?

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

Sticking a thermocouple on your motor? How is that a departure from known methods? And where exactly is he suggesting that, in your opinion?

That's one simple and obvious example of the principle. You wanted innovation, and the challenge is to maximise efficiency. It's explained clearly in the article that energy is converted through work, and the bi-product i.e. wasted energy produced through doing this work can be converted for more work.

What you consider conventional today was not conventional 100 years ago. Evidently, utilising the wasted energy is a departure from known methods. It would also reduce energy bills. Slap on the hand from the energy companies for that idea.

You are doing what you want to anyway, what I say can't change that. There's also thousands more people doing the same thing and they will continue to do so. The priority as far as I'm concerned is understanding it and developing a working system. A "free energy" search is of no use. Why does everyone insist that it can produce free energy when there is no working system to speak of? That's the religious cult. "There IS free energy, we have absolutely no idea how the thing works, we haven't seen it, all the knowledge is suppressed by the evil governments and oil companies, but one thing we know for sure is that it produces free energy!"

Again there's a disconnection between the developer and the consumer, they are not thinking on the same wavelength. You can have as much free energy as you like if I let you plug all your devices into my house.

The difference between what I'm saying Tesla was on about, and what the fanatics insist he was talking about, is that one is immediately realisable, there is a scientific basis for the whole thing, and it's engineerable via some creative thinking, it's all right there waiting to be done. The other is some vague distant hope, a rumour that has come from youtube. In the meantime your electric bills have gone up because now you're doing experiments that cost money. Where is the free energy? I believe you to be a legitimate researcher with good intentions, and there are many others, but I suspect many have been duped either deliberately or unwittingly, as I've said before "the search" prevents realisable things from being done and becoming a reality and humanity benefiting now, it ensures that everything stays exactly as they are and thus is a distraction from basic facts. Those evil oil companies absolutely love the people's search for free energy, they never want you to stop. That is all.

[Ernst]

I think you are saying there are 2 sides to this story:
1 - by making our current machinery more efficient we can quite easily reduce our electricity bills. There is a quick win in this option. We know there are many ways to do so.
2 - there may be an alternative source of energy. One that is clean (green) and can provide us with unlimited energy. We have no idea how to get to this energy but a wise man once said:

Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic—and this we know it is, for certain—then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

And this is an obvious truth. There can be no doubt. So by trying to solve this puzzle, I, we, or someone after us will one day succeed. And that will give humanity the greatest possible gift. This may be a long term plan, it could very well be. But anyone, someone even that wasn't even looking for it, may also find it tomorrow, or in the next 5 minutes.
Option 1 gives you a quick result, but option 2 gives you the final solution.
They are both worth being researched. And the good thing is there are more of us.
So you can look into option 1 while I do option 2.
Time spend on research is never wasted.

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

There's more to option 1. It's also not only the immediate effect, but the way of thinking. People's way of thinking determines everything. It's the whole idea of not wasting anything, getting better at building technologies and utilising energy, building more advanced machines.

Time spend on research is never wasted.

I agree. Learning what doesn't work is equally as important as learning what does work and knowledge comes through both. The point is is it within the realms of reality. By that I don't mean things that are yet to be discovered, I mean complete fantasy things dreamt up by people who obviously have no idea of anything physical, I mean the youtube video makers who can say and create whatever they like in a video, but have no comprehension of the physical world where these things are supposed to be able to actually work. Gravity exists for example and we may one day be able to use it to power something, but the fanatics are searching for "something else". That's the difference between useless research. The wheelwork of nature has no limit, it includes the obvious and boring things like solar and wind, but there's an EXCLUSION of these things. The wheelwork of nature is ignored, in the name of harnessing it. And that doesn't honour Tesla in any way at all. He would be amazed with the technologies that are available to us today, and probably also appalled at the lack of real advancement, today's technology is just more complicated, but it's not more clever or ingenious in any way. And so we arrive back at people's way of thinking.

[quantumuppercut]

For me, I wonder why I couldn't just pursuit the path of making things more efficient. But then, there are saturated with man power in that direction. Besides, I don't feel the challenge and interest. Overall, the more efficient path for me is discovery and pioneer. I can't speak for anyone else but if their decision is to come over here rather than science forum, they must have their own reason. Not everyone can learn the easy way.

"Worlds are built upon dreams and imaginations. If we ignore dreams and imaginations, we have ignored truth." -QU

[boguslaw]

The secret is incredible simple : reactive power. And yes , it is converted into heat if no used

[boguslaw]

I think you are saying there are 2 sides to this story:
1 - by making our current machinery more efficient we can quite easily reduce our electricity bills. There is a quick win in this option. We know there are many ways to do so.
2 - there may be an alternative source of energy. One that is clean (green) and can provide us with unlimited energy. We have no idea how to get to this energy but a wise man once said:

And this is an obvious truth. There can be no doubt. So by trying to solve this puzzle, I, we, or someone after us will one day succeed. And that will give humanity the greatest possible gift. This may be a long term plan, it could very well be. But anyone, someone even that wasn't even looking for it, may also find it tomorrow, or in the next 5 minutes.
Option 1 gives you a quick result, but option 2 gives you the final solution.
They are both worth being researched. And the good thing is there are more of us.
So you can look into option 1 while I do option 2.
Time spend on research is never wasted.

Ernst.

Ha ha ha it was solved by Tesla 120 years ago

[Ernst]

OK, I think we can summarise this as follows:
- dR-Green believes in existing/known energy sources and that we must try to use this energy in the most efficient way.
- dR-Green believes that the search for alternative energy sources is foolishness.
- boguslaw believes in reactive power, heat and laughing.
- I believe that there must be an alternative energy source, simply because I do not believe mankind is so incredibly ingenious that we have found all possible sources.
- I believe that Nikola Tesla has found an other source and tried to make that available to us in his Wardenclyffe project.

I have noticed that we just keep on repeating the same arguments which suggests that we have said all there is to say and we will not convince eachother of our views.
Continuing this discussion in this way seems a waste of time, resources and indeed energy.

Any suggestions on how to make this conversation more efficient and/or fruitfull?

Ernst.

[Farmhand]

These are just my opinions, going by what I've read of Tesla.

I honestly think that if Nikola Tesla were to theoretically come back to life today
and he saw a 100 Watt solar panel he would have a huge smile on his face
and say there is a very good radiant energy receiver. Then he would probably
find out how it worked (pretty quickly) and set about both using it and trying
to improve on it.

I think he would be well pleased with the solar panel, but he would also
immediately recognize it's flaws, low light and night time. For solar panels
these flaws are inherent even if they could be made 100 % efficient.

He would also see that huge amounts of energy is being wasted in the
broadcast of radio for general use. I doubt he would ignore all the waste and
start looking for free energy so more could be wasted. But look for more he would.

I bet he would be super pissed at the misuse of His Name to promote many of
the commercial devices, and fakes around ect. But I think he would be at least very
proud of the interest in his devices, and especially impressed by all the Tesla
coils of all kinds. After all how many people do exciting experiments with
Edison stuff or Einstein stuff. Tesla was the experimenters man he was all
about experiment and for the most part sharing them. I think he would want
us to do what we are doing, researching, experimenting and arguing = science.

[quantumuppercut]

Here are some fun questions about the tower.

-Was the tower for sending energy around the world or is it capable of doing so?
Seems like his calculation show it is capable of sending energy around the world. It might not be able to but he seems to thinks it does.

-Where could he gets the energy to do so?
Niagara Fall may be enough at the time.
-Who is going to pay for the energy?
It may be true that you can't meter energy from the tower, but sure the energy routing to the tower is metered. I don't think neither Tesla or Morgan can handle the electricity bill even if they want to help the poor.

It's silly if Tesla thinks he just build the tower and ask for charity from Morgan or wealthy people. It just wouldn't work and he should already knows that.

[boguslaw]

Let's play a guitar. You plunk the strings and sound is radiated, string is vibrating. Now you can modulate the sound by tapping string here and there by fingers.

So ...... ? It is not true that you cannot do what Tesla planned. You can accumulate energy and release in very short interval COMPLEX WAVE of big activity , kicking Earth core into vibrations , producing standing waves and MODULATE THEM. All can be easily proved using guitar or bells or other musical instrument. That way not only energy but also information and in privacy mode (complex) can be send.