Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Ernst]

@boguslaw,
I feel I have to agree with your last post here. But what is Einsteins trick? He must be wrong, but where is his error? Walter Russell's work seems to be more helpfull when you really want to understand nature.
As I pointed out in an earlier post here (in this thread) the search for elementary particles is completely deranged. It is like putting two grains of sand on top of eachother and then fire a menhir at it and study the debris, assuming that everything must have originated from either of the two grains.
The whole thing is complete ludacris, yet there are very learned serious people seriously scratching their very learned heads over this. They need a jolt of hadrons themselves.

@TeslaSecrets and madhatter,
I thought the Townsend battery is based on an electret generating an electric field. Then, with an electric field there must be ways to capture energy from the surroundings. This is, I think, what Tesla had in mind with Wardenclyffe. This may also be the cause of the "flickering tube" after it has been subjected to a strong electric field.
I am not sure on this last one, it is just that I have not yet found a better explanation.

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

Its not just a supercap, unless a supercap exhibits the following:

clearly-evident diurnal cycles and occasional strong pulses of short duration - Townsend Brown

Mr. Brown noted he could basically use his simple battery device, to find the rough position of the moon and sun in the sky, and this is why he concluded:

the source is extraterrestrial, coming to the Earth from Cosmic space - Townsend Brown

@Ernst

I thought the Townsend battery is based on an electret generating an electric field. Then, with an electric field there must be ways to capture energy from the surroundings. This is, I think, what Tesla had in mind with Wardenclyffe

Yes, I think of it like this too Ernst. It seems we need some electric energy, to access the "cosmic" energy.

I think this could be very similar to the concept used in Magnetic Resonance Imaging( MRI ). Without going into tremendous detail about MRI, realize MRI uses a strong magnetic field to "align the atoms" before it can work its magic. I see no reason why we could not "align atoms" or "align the whirls" using a strong electrostatic field, rather than a strong magnetic field. In most cases our magnetic field is created using electric field anyway. Likely a very similar effect to MRI is involved in this battery.

Perhaps space, is usually fairly disordered, but with powerful fields we can "align space" or otherwise effect space in some manner which alters the properties of space itself, so that we can establish some kind of "connection" to space.

Similar to water. We know water offers less resistance to slow moving bodies, you can pass your hand fairly easily through water if its moving slowly. However, there is a critical velocity, above which water offer tremendous resistance. If you slap your hand down as fast as you can upon some water, you feel the resistance. Thus we see cavitation in high speed props. To a fast moving object, water can appear like concrete. In fact, we use high velocity water jets, to cut solid steel. I think this is an important concept to understand Space as well.

Tesla did many experiments with high pressure water jets. He remarks about one such jet of water he produced, in which he could strike the jet with a large heavy crowbar of steel, and the crowbar would react to the jet of water, as if hitting another bar of steel. He remarks he could strike this jet with all his might, and not penetrate through it in the slightest, as if it were a solid object.

I believe Walter Russell makes a remark about " a spider web being able to cut steel if we could spin it fast enough "

It seems the motion of the medium is very important to the "nature" of the medium.

[TeslaSecrets]

Consider this pump, whose theoretical design came from Einstein's work I might add.

http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/hrindp.jpg

It is a Helical Rotor Electromagnetic pump. It creates a pumping force using a rotating electromagnetic field, in a helical shape. Realize this field, acts exactly like a physical impeller. It was proven such a field pump, was capable of cavitation. If you were to put your hand into such a pump, it would result in the same injuries, as if you put your hand in a physical impeller. ( IE no more hand ) Except there is no real physical impeller in this pump, only fields.

It has been proven in other cases, fields are capable of creating apparent solidity.

2000 Watt Cyclotron, built 1948, N.Y. State gives proof of the actuality of "solidity" in force-fields however, is not recognized yet, or thought of yet as a tool."

David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall" (1996)

[Ernst]

@ TeslaSecrets,
The picture that you linked to, shows a pump with a driving shaft that is to be connected to a motor... The way I see it... Wrong picture? Can you provide a link to the article on this pump?

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

Just let we clarify why I am showing some of these examples. They all demonstrate a connection between electromagnetic fields, and what we would call physical forces or even "solidity" of mass. I would say mass is made of space, but space is not necessarily made of mass. Mass is equivalent to energy, but not all energy is equivalent to mass. Mass is a result of motion, but not all motion results in mass.

@Ernst

I try to reference and explain as much as possible, but it sometimes makes for long posts, so I am forced to omit many details and hope the readers can connect between the dots I draw out on their own. I hope this adds in some more dots for you.

In most cases we need a motor to turn a propeller, do we not? In the case of the helical rotor electromagnetic pump, our propeller is a field, not metal or physical blades. This field is rotated by a motor, just like a normal pump impeller requires a motor to rotate it. If you look at some of the other types of electromagnetic pumps, linked below, you will see not all require an additional motor to operate.

For the record this helical rotor induction pump is especially useful where we wish to pump a material, without contacting it. This sure would be a great pump to use, if say we wanted to pump a highly radioactive material, because we can pump the material right through the walls of its containment, change the motor and pump assembly without opening the containment, even measure flow rates through the container walls etc etc. This pump is currently in use for just such a purpose, and is not a theoretical design. For this reason, your likely not going to find a tremendous amount of detail about this specific pump.

The fundamental concept is however, similar to a DC conduction pump, if you wish to actually see electromagnetic field pumping work:

http://www.ovaltech.ca/images/Simple_MHD_Pump.jpg

http://www.ovaltech.ca/downloads/mag...amics-demo.wmv


The main types of electromagnetic pumps.

http://www.ovaltech.ca/spctrvl/emphndbk.html



Source:

HANDBOOK OF ELECTROMAGNETIC PUMP TECHNOLOGY

Richard S. Baker
Retired, Energy Technology Engineering Center
Rockwell International
Canoga, California

Manuel J. Tessier
Director, Quality Assurance, Energy Technology Engineering Center
Rockwell International
Canoga, California

Elsevier. New York. Amsterdam. London.

[Kokomoj0]

@Ernst



This is an excellent question Ernst.


It is likely this transformer 10 miles from the main transformer, is your 4th coil, and crucial to the operation of the system as a whole, Hence Tesla had to adjust it.

something has to set up the standing wave no?

[Ernst]

No, not in that way.
The primary coil, capacitor(s), and spark-gap generate bursts of pulses of a pre-defined frequency. This frequency has to match the SRF of the secondary coil.
With this frequency you can determine the wavelength.
This you split into
- 3/4 for the secondary coil, the extra coil and their connections combined
- 1/4 for the fourth coil and its connections combined
The extra coil amplifies the voltage supplied by the secondary, until the losses equal the supplied power. Which will happen rather quickly. The extra coil gets a small top-load so that a little charge (meaning little current) can produce extremely high potentials. This top-load will be the main point of losses in this system.
In order to reduce these, you place this top-load inside a larger top-load connected to coil 4.
Coil 4 will resonate at the same frequency and will always be in phase with the extra coil.
Thus the potential of coil 4's top-load shields the extra coils top-load preventing discharges (=losses) and allowing it to reach a higher potential (see Carl Lindes process of air liquifaction). The high Q of coil 4 guaranties to maximize this effect.
So coil 4 will oscillate in pace with the extra and its top-load will reach the same potential. But since this load is much larger, a greater current will run through this coil.

I consider this puzzle solved. Anyone thinks he has build a TMT?
Count your coils, less than 4? ==> NO TMT
Creating OU? No? ==> NO TMT
One top-load inside the other one? No? ==> NO TMT

Let me know if someone succeeds in replication. I'm still working on it.

Ernst.

[boguslaw]

Ernst

Wow ,man ! You're good



Happy New Year ! It will be very interesting time....

[TeslaSecrets]

@Ernst

Yes, what you have said seems logical and within reason.

I have not considered the top load within the larger terminal. Interesting. Like a Van Da Graff generator in a sense.

In regards to Linde though, the connection between the air liquefaction process is important because it is a feedback process..

The air cooled by the process, is fed back into the process at this cooler temperature, thereby it is cooled even further every time it goes around the cycle. Just like sound being repeatedly amplified in a feedback loop. The result can be an extremely low temperature produced over time, low enough to liquefy air.

I would suggest Tesla's interest in this process, was because he saw the existence of a real feedback loop in operation, although with temperature and air, it suggested to him the same concept may indeed be possible with electric potential or electricity as the working fluid, instead of air.

What you seem to be suggesting is the top load within top load is electrically similar to the heat exchanger? I think you may be correct about this. This may very well be one of the important keys to efficiently exchange the high output potential with the lower input potential, in such a electrical feedback loop.

I think of the primary driving circuit, as a person pushing a swing. Whenever the person pushing the swing, is in contact with the swing, they will limit the natural oscillations the swing is capable of. The primary actually holds back the secondary from freely oscillating, even though it is the source of the secondary oscillation. In order to have a system capable of efficient feedback and magnification, we must limit this influence of the primary on the free oscillations.

Or as Ernst has pointed out, connect this system to an additional oscillator, which is not coupled to the primary directly, but through a Van Da Graff style electrostatic connection, and thus would be much more capable of such free magnifying oscillations.

Do you see Ernst that what you are describing, a top load within a top load, is actually a very efficient high voltage rectifier. Once the outer larger terminal is charged, that charge cannot go back inside the metal shell to the inner terminal. Charge must always be on the outside of a conducting volume.

Yes I agree a fourth coil and a terminal within a terminal, would be required for replication of the magnification effect.

[Ernst]

Indeed, so people now start to understand what a Magnifying Transmitter is. Great!
It is NOT just a system for telluric transmission and it is NOT the system pictured in patent 1.119.732.
It IS a system that generates excess energy in industrial amounts.

Once this system is rebuild and understood and/or accepted we are entering a new era!
That oil sheik, who is bathing in champagne on his yacht surrounded by beautiful women, he should start to worry a tiny bit. Perhaps we should send him an inflatable boat and let him keep that champagne, mixed with sweat and who knows what, as a reminder of old times.
And he is not the only one who should worry.
On the other hand there are millions and millions whos lifes will improve.
No more dollar-slavery, no more mind numbing jobs but the opportunity for everyone to rise to your God given potential, to do and to become what defines you.

Oh well, I am thinking a few steps ahead here.
But this WILL actually come to be.
For now, anyone who understands this system and thinks he can build it; Please start building it. Those %$#@^ have kept it away from us for over 100 years, let us put an end to this! Remember these words "Yes, we can!"? from that torrent of false promises.
Ha ha ha, yes we sure can, and we will!
Build, study, spread the word and remember where you first heard it.
I too am building it, but my talent is not in manual labour. And besides that, one person with one system is vulnerable. 100 persons with 100 systems spread all over the world can not be stopped.
Any questions? I am still here.

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

Gonna go off topic a little here, but there does seem to be a connection to me.

Did some reading on Thompson and his view of the electron. Found this remarkable statement, from his introductory speech at his noble prize presentation.

As early as 1892 Thomson had shown that a charged body moving forward is thereby in possession of an electromagnetic energy, which produces the effect of the mass of the body being increased. From experiments carried out by Kaufmann regarding the velocity of ß-rays from radium, Thomson concluded that the negative electrons do not possess any real, but only an apparent, mass due to their electric charge.

It might now be considered reasonable to assume that all matter is built up of negative electrons, and that consequently mass in matter was apparent and really depended on the effect of electric forces. An experiment of very great interest has moreover been made in this direction by Thomson, but his investigations of most recent date in the present year (1906) seem to intimate that only about a thousandth part of the material is apparent and due to electric forces

Full Article:
Nobel Prize in Physics 1906 - Presentation Speech

I find it remarkable Thompson discovered mass energy equivalence in 1892 and that Thompson thought, " electrons do not possess any real, but only an apparent, mass ". Indeed, according to this, Thompson proposed the possibility all mass was apparent, and due to electric forces. This seems to tie in with much of what is being discussed here, that mass is motion in space, and I see now why Tesla and Thompson communicated.

Would not a "Magnifying" system, actually increase or decrease in mass over time?
Could we not somehow produce a electromagnetic field, which magnifies or feeds back upon itself, to store the electromagnetic energy, in a fixed volume, over time? Could we create an electromagnetic "bottle"?

[Bob Smith]

The Wardencliffe tower subject reminds me of a passing remark made, if memory serves me correctly, by Jim McCanney about 7 or 8 years ago on his website. Here's the url: jmccanneyscience.com : Home Page
I haven't been on the site in over 5 years, but it just popped into my head after reading the last couple of posts. I thought he said something about a Tesla tower replica being built in the Ottawa, Canada (I think in Kanata, a suburb of Ottawa), and that this tower was the reason for the big North American continent-wide blackout about 10 years ago. Perhaps there are people who are trying to build this apparatus. I read about 10 years ago that people were trying to construct table-top sized versions.
I have to catch up on my reading here (gtg right now). Will post if I find anything.
Bob

[Ernst]

I find it remarkable Thompson discovered mass energy equivalence in 1892 and that Thompson thought, " electrons do not possess any real, but only an apparent, mass ". Indeed, according to this, Thompson proposed the possibility all mass was apparent, and due to electric forces. This seems to tie in with much of what is being discussed here, that mass is motion in space, and I see now why Tesla and Thompson communicated.

Going back to the Vedic literature...
Suppose akasha = ether and prana = electricity
Then all mass is an effect caused by ether and electricity.

Would not a "Magnifying" system, actually increase or decrease in mass over time?

The mass of a highly negative charged system may differ from the same system with a tremendous positive charge. But I do not believe there will be permanent mass changes in the TMT.

Could we not somehow produce a electromagnetic field, which magnifies or feeds back upon itself, to store the electromagnetic energy, in a fixed volume, over time? Could we create an electromagnetic "bottle"?

We can store static electricity in a capacitor, or dynamic electricity in a superconducting coil. But I guess you are thinking of other possibilities? And/or applications?

Ernst.

[TeslaSecrets]

@Ernst

Yes, an electromagnetic bottle would be something different then those examples you mention. I had explained in the previous post, but deleted it for length. Since there is interest, I will finish my rant.

Realize, when we have an electric field, we create a magnetic field. Likewise if we create a magnetic field, we get an electric field. These fields will always be perpendicular to each other. However, further realize whenever we have an electric field and magnetic field, perpendicular to each other, we must always have a Lorentz force, due to those fields. Realize, the Lorentz force due to an electromagnetic field, is perpendicular to both the magnetic and electric fields.
That is the Lorentz force, represents a 3 dimensional, orthogonal, relationship between momentum or force or motion and electromagnetism.

Fact: If a system creates perpendicular electromagnetic fields, it creates Lorentz forces, always.

The electromagnetic fields of light, are in just such a perpendicular relationship. Realize, the momentum of light is calculated using the Poynting Vector, which is a generalized form of the Lorentz Equation. The difference between the two, is only that the Lorentz force depends on electron charge ( q ), whereas the electric field of light does not require an electron. If we except Thompson's claim, "electron mass is only apparent, like light", then we realize the electron itself is a case of F=ExB, and we can see the Lorentz Equation is a special case of the Poynting Vector.

Poynting vector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lorentz force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically, we cannot connect electromagnetism directly to gravity, however we can absolutely connect electromagnetism to a force of acceleration. Thus gravity is likely a special case, of electromagnetic acceleration. The connection of electromagnetism to gravity is difficult to grasp, because it is not a direct connection. We make the connection through the Lorentz force.

We can have electric distortions in Space. These electric distortion cause magnetic distortions. The combination of electric and magnetic distortion, can cause a physical distortion in Space, or momentum or motion or acceleration. Now, if such a physical distortion, under specific conditions of intensity and position, was bent back upon itself until the force vector went "full circle", then the energy can begin to "feedback" or "whirl" or "self-augment". Thus we get mass and gravity, from this special case of 'rotational electromagnetic acceleration". When the conditions become unfavorable, the "whirl" loses energy and eventually breaks up back into stress in Space. This is a greatly simplified explanation, so please do not be over critical here.

If a "Magnifying" transmitter, stores electromagnetic energy over time, by every definition it is likewise storing momentum over time. If said momentum is angular then we are thus storing mass over time. We cannot design a "Magnifying" system, without considering the direction and effect of the Lorentz forces, in such an intense "Magnifying" electromagnetic field. Fields are 3 dimensional, not two dimensional. There is not just an electric and magnetic field, at work here.

Found this long documentary (3hrs) about the Pyramids in Egypt.
A different story about ancient Egypt and our origins. - YouTube
This video essentially discusses exactly the concept I proposed earlier in this forum topic, Tesla is even discussed at one point. It is not some new age BS video, this is some serious and legitimate information about what we have been taught about Egypt and what the evidence actually shows.

One of the speakers points out, "The largest constructions by volume we make on Earth today, are hydroelectric dams." We expend so much energy into these constructions, because we know in the end we will get some useful resource, from all our labors. Does it not make more sense, any similar large construction, likely had a similar purpose. The great pyramid and others, do not appear to be temples or tombs, they are undecorated. They seem functional or industrial, more than ceremonial, when compared to other ceremonial temples and constructions, which are always highly decorated.
The internal spaces, do not seem to be designed for people, they are cramped at odd angles and shapes and actually difficult to move through.
To me, the passages in the pyramid, do not seem to be designed for movement of people. Too many questions left unanswered by the current theories.

A tourist to the great pyramid had this to say, "It felt like I was inside a giant machine and I would not wanted to have been in there when it was running."

Should we not apply here, "Occam's Razor"? The evidence obviously points to industrial use, rather than ceremonial or burial use. I think it is very wrong to assume high technology, would take the exact same form we have today, in all civilizations. Our "high technology", like electric light, is barely 100 years old, rocket travel barely 50 years old. Egyptian society existed at a high state for thousands of years!! We are "young whippersnappers" compared to Egyptian civilization and many others, like it or not.

We don't need alien intervention to explain this, just natural human desire for progress and understanding, over a really long time.

Is it evidence or ego which determines peoples opinions about this?
Is it really that hard to swallow, the ancients might have known something about force fields we don't?

[madhatter]

@Ernst

Yes, an electromagnetic bottle would be something different then those examples you mention. I had explained in the previous post, but deleted it for length. Since there is interest, I will finish my rant.

Realize, when we have an electric field, we create a magnetic field. Likewise if we create a magnetic field, we get an electric field. These fields will always be perpendicular to each other. However, further realize whenever we have an electric field and magnetic field, perpendicular to each other, we must always have a Lorentz force, due to those fields. Realize, the Lorentz force due to an electromagnetic field, is perpendicular to both the magnetic and electric fields.
That is the Lorentz force, represents a 3 dimensional, orthogonal, relationship between momentum or force or motion and electromagnetism.

Fact: If a system creates perpendicular electromagnetic fields, it creates Lorentz forces, always.

That's not truly accurate, Bernstein waves do not hold to that, nor do superluminal plasma waves.
yes EM radiation as generated by the use of exploiting the conjugate pairing will result is such there is also the rotation of such fields. high energy plasma research exists because of this and what can be gained by exploiting such pairings.
a static time invariant electric field has no magnetic field. the magnetic field is an emergent behavior of the electrostatic field, thus it's possible to manipulate the magnetic field to produce longitudinal plasma waves of zero poynting vectors. but such things are a no no, like the 'tunnel effect' which is highly exploited yet not fully understood.