Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[epwpixieq-1]

If someone read carefully Colorado Springs Notes (CSN) all the (foundational) information is there. In particular, I would note, the pages 347-365 and would emphasize 349,350 and 351.
These three pages are the only place where I have seen ( in the book ), Tesla mentioning the words "magnifying factor" ( assuming that the printing, is a correct translation of his notes ).
In one place he calculates "the magnifying factor", for the system he experiments with, 10.5 (p. 349), after that, under another basic assumptions, for a different system he reaches, 140 as the "magnifying factor" (p. 351).
My interpretation is that the magnification can not happen without the Earth as the main part of the system, as Tesla discovered these properties and worked ALWAYS with the Earth. In my understanding no energy transmission through Earth no magnification, it is that simple, on principle. Of course it is simple as the inventive and intuitive genius had observed, experimented, understood, applied and described it, for the people as us to understand it. One just have to read CSN several times ( I did it 4 times so far ), and his patents and publications, are must, of course.
Every time something new comes out when reading CSN. And to be honest I even did not noticed the pages mentioned before till the 3rd reading. Reading Tesla is not easy!
But do not make a mistake to try to read it only on particular place(s) as you will not understand it (especially with people without much prior knowledge), or even worst misunderstand it.
You have to read the entire book painstakingly slowly and making notes for yourself. And little by little you will start to SEE the picture Tesla was seeing.
I probably am not the best person to give you these advices, but it is based on my own experience so far and strugle to view the world through Tesla's eyes.

Good luck to us all.

[Farmhand]

Can you elaborate on the meaning you give to magnification in this case ?

Cheers

[epwpixieq-1]

Hi Framhand,

My idea is that everyone working on and trying to understand these Tesla ideas has to go and read him directly, no substitution for that. Everyone else's opinion over Tesla's writing just expresses a point of view and (mostly) adds some misunderstanding, to say at least, my view included. This is why it is important for the experimenters to read the book.
All the works of Tesla or everyone else's Steinmetz, Maxwell, Heaviside and the other pioneers have to be read in original. After that people should digest the opinion of the other followers and their interpretations.

Now on my view about the "magnifying factor".
But first some notes: First to note that there are 2 part of the system Originator Vibrating System (OVS) with primary, secondary and extra (P,S,E1) coils ( note that the E1 coil is used some times and other times not ) and Exited Vibrating System (EVS) having extra (E2) coil and load ( light bulbs in his experiments ).
When Tesla make his calculations there is no current consideration is given ( as far as I can understand ) at OVS. The current considerations come to play on the EVS, for calculation on the load. So basically the magnifying factor that he calculates is based on the potential he has to create at OVS in order to get certain vibration at EVS. He assumes that EVS gets only 1% of the energy vibrated from OVS and in such way calculates the magnifying factors that the engineered system, based on the parameters V,L,C for OVS and L,C for EVS have to have.
In his own words: "It was astonishing to note, in the experiment recorded on the plate, how much energy can be in this manner conveyed to such a carefully synchronized coil through the ground."

Based on the above notes from CSN book, and the recorded Tesla sayings that "the Earth is full with electrical vibrations", I view the "magnifying factor" as a multiplier, or leverage if you wish, over the Earth, through its natural electrical vibrations, to the electrical vibrations that are being transferred from OVS to one or many EVSs.

Or (hopefully) simplified, OVS-EVS(s) system is a sort of "net" for using/capturing these naturally occurring electrical vibrations in Earth.

Of course, this is purely my interpretation.
Now, it is totally other question where these naturally occurring electrical vibrations come from and how they are being "captured"/"orginated" in the Earth.

[Ernst]

@ epwpixieq-1,

Not only you must read and read again, you should also copy his experiments and see what he must have seen with your own eyes.
The magnifying factor that you refer to has to do with losses in the system;
Just as in an extra-coil, the energy (both voltage and current) increase until the power that is lost equals the power that you put into the system. For example, if you have a system with 1% losses and you apply 1 KW to this system, then the power in this system will rise until the 1% losses equal the 1 KW that enters. Thus the power in the system rises to 100 KW, a magnification of 100. But you can not get 100 KW out of that system because the moment you draw energy from that system, the magnification factor decreases.

A video overview of the project so far

Ernst.

[Gav]

very well done love the set up, if only i had that sitting in the corner of my room can i ask though, are you collecting what you put in and more? do you have readings for what is hapening at the moment? also are you thinking of collecting energy from the earth at all?
thanks for the updates
Gav

[epwpixieq-1]

@ epwpixieq-1,

Not only you must read and read again, you should also copy his experiments and see what he must have seen with your own eyes.
The magnifying factor that you refer to has to do with losses in the system;
Just as in an extra-coil, the energy (both voltage and current) increase until the power that is lost equals the power that you put into the system. For example, if you have a system with 1% losses and you apply 1 KW to this system, then the power in this system will rise until the 1% losses equal the 1 KW that enters. Thus the power in the system rises to 100 KW, a magnification of 100. But you can not get 100 KW out of that system because the moment you draw energy from that system, the magnification factor decreases.

A video overview of the project so far

Ernst.

Absolutely agree!
Without practical experiments, everything is just talk. I admire you experimental spirit and your building skills.

On my side I am working on several setups. But in my case (for now), they are just standard VTTC ( some pics uploaded ). Regrettably I am currently highly constrained in my living space and even do not have an access to any ground. Of course that is of NO excuse, and a good and passionate experimenter have to do whatever he can and is able to imagine, within the current constrains of his environment.
A note on the "magnifying factor", in Tesla's words: "magnifying factor for a coil alone (p*L)/R=10,530" (p349 towards the bottom ).
I would not want to make interpretation of his words without more meaningful experiments, but would recommend for anyone trying to re-engineer his experiments to take considerations of his views, and after that through their experiment reinterpret.
I realize that in this case he talks about the "coil alone" and there (probably) is another venue for magnification, this was the idea behind my post above.
I my self, like the setup of dR-Green and Farmhand with spiral coils and their experiments, as it gaves me some ideas and will start working on this type of setup as the time and, in my case leaving space, permits.

[Ernst]

very well done love the set up, if only i had that sitting in the corner of my room can i ask though, are you collecting what you put in and more? do you have readings for what is hapening at the moment? also are you thinking of collecting energy from the earth at all?

To be honest, the experiments so far are not focussed on collecting energy. It is just testing/verifying the working principles of the self-regenerative resonant transformer. And for that reason I am only checking the voltage obtained in every step. I can now say with 100% certainty that it does work, but I do not get much extra from the self-regenerative part (only 120 KV, about 25% extra, when tuning is pushed to the limit, that is... my limit...).

I have some results that point into the direction that with an electric field you can obtain energy from 'the ambient medium'. 2 KV/cm already does get you something, but bigger=more (and more is easier to verify). I was hoping for a > 1MV tension for the experiments to follow, I may still get that through more 'conventional' means.
I am leaving the self-regenerative track. I'll leave this set-up in-tact for about a week, in case new thoughts pop up that I may want to test. Then I will probably change it to a 3-coil system.
Also I may built myself a larger pancake coil. (I have a bifilar 30 cm diameter coil now.)

Final goals are:
- world wide telluric transmission (we can test upto 10.000 KM) @ 34 KHz
- deriving energy from the ambient medium

(the first goal will not find acceptance without the second)

I believe Tesla had these same goals in mind for his Wardenclyffe project.

Ernst.

[Bob Smith]

Eric Dollard on Wardencliffe

Great video interview with Eric Dollard (part of new series), dealing with Wardencliffe...
All fascinating stuff.
To Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe, only Better - The Mission of Eric Dollard - YouTube
Bob

[boguslaw]

Sorry guys, not much time to read anything here and in ou.com, but I must say ...do not think too much ! it is very simple really

whenever you have reactive power in circuit you have hidden not used energy
and you have reactive power when you have Q factor > 1 and Q factor it's the same what Tesla called magnification factor and it's the same used today to spread EM radiation from radio stations

Tesla knew what he searched for - the musical instrument :
you need tuning fork , you need hammer to strike it and you need resonating cavity matched to tuning fork....are you ready for this ,huh ?
and I found a proof in his article- really Wardenclyffe was transceiver


btw when you can convert all reactive power into real one then your Q factor = COP, exactly

[Bob Smith]

whenever you have reactive power in circuit you have hidden not used energy
and you have reactive power when you have Q factor > 1 and Q factor it's the same what Tesla called magnification factor and it's the same used today to spread EM radiation from radio stations

Tesla knew what he searched for - the musical instrument :
you need tuning fork , you need hammer to strike it and you need resonating cavity matched to tuning fork....are you ready for this ,huh ?
and I found a proof in his article- really Wardenclyffe was transceiver

btw when you can convert all reactive power into real one then your Q factor = COP, exactly

Further discussion of reactive power - not sure if it's what Boguslaw is referring to - thought I'd post:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ive-power.html
Bob

[Ernst]

Sorry guys, not much time to read anything here and in ou.com, but I must say ...do not think too much ! it is very simple really

whenever you have reactive power in circuit you have hidden not used energy

Ok, this I understand.
and you have reactive power when you have Q factor > 1 and Q factor it's the same what Tesla called magnification factor and it's the same used today to spread EM radiation from radio stations

Yes.....

Tesla knew what he searched for - the musical instrument :
you need tuning fork , you need hammer to strike it and you need resonating cavity matched to tuning fork....

Can you be a little more specific?
Tuning fork = secondary + extra ?
Hammer = primary ?
resonating cavity = coil 4 ?

are you ready for this ,huh ?

Ready when you are

and I found a proof in his article- really Wardenclyffe was transceiver

Could you provide a little detail, with links to the article?

btw when you can convert all reactive power into real one then your Q factor = COP, exactly

May be true, but how do you implement such a scheme?

Ernst.

[Bob Smith]

Dollard goes into great detail about the TMT in this rich lecture (audio avail. only):
Eric Dollard on Tesla Wireless Technology Interview - YouTube
Well worth the listen for coming to a better grasp of what this thread is dealing with. If I can, I'm going to try to burn it to a CD to listen to in the car (over and over).

[Dave45]

Hey Bob
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post223133

[Ernst]

Dollard goes into great detail about the TMT in this rich lecture (audio avail. only):
Eric Dollard on Tesla Wireless Technology Interview - YouTube
Well worth the listen for coming to a better grasp of what this thread is dealing with. If I can, I'm going to try to burn it to a CD to listen to in the car (over and over).

There can be no discussion about the fact that Eric is impressive at what he does.
But this is where a lot of confusion originates:
There can also be no discussion about the fact that Eric is NOT replicating Tesla's work.
Eric's work may be inspired by Tesla, but Eric does his own thing, not Tesla's.
If you listen closely to what Eric says you can almost literally hear him say so himself.
Eric has never built a TMT, Eric has built a DMT, a Dollard Magnifying Transmitter (not dimethyl tryptamine )
Eric intends to rebuild "Wardenclyffe only better". Better because Eric designs and builds it according to his own ideas, not Tesla's. So why call it Wardenclyffe to begin with?
Why not call it Bolinasclyffe?
Whether or not it will be better than Tesla's we will never know, unless someone can rebuild Wardenclyffe according to Tesla's plans.

Why do people say that Eric is the only one who ever successfully replicated Tesla's work.
Robert Golka replicated the 3 coil resonant transformer of CS. And there are many others who DO replicate Tesla's work. Which Eric does not.

I am not saying that what Eric does is wrong, on the contrary, Eric SHOULD do his own thing. But he (and we) should not confuse it with Tesla's work, because that is something quite different.

Ernst.

[Sputins]

Tesla 101

There can be no discussion about the fact that Eric is impressive at what he does.
But this is where a lot of confusion originates:
There can also be no discussion about the fact that Eric is NOT replicating Tesla's work.
Eric's work may be inspired by Tesla, but Eric does his own thing, not Tesla's.
If you listen closely to what Eric says you can almost literally hear him say so himself.
Eric has never built a TMT, Eric has built a DMT, a Dollard Magnifying Transmitter (not dimethyl tryptamine )
Eric intends to rebuild "Wardenclyffe only better". Better because Eric designs and builds it according to his own ideas, not Tesla's. So why call it Wardenclyffe to begin with?
Why not call it Bolinasclyffe?
Whether or not it will be better than Tesla's we will never know, unless someone can rebuild Wardenclyffe according to Tesla's plans.

Why do people say that Eric is the only one who ever successfully replicated Tesla's work.
Robert Golka replicated the 3 coil resonant transformer of CS. And there are many others who DO replicate Tesla's work. Which Eric does not.

I am not saying that what Eric does is wrong, on the contrary, Eric SHOULD do his own thing. But he (and we) should not confuse it with Tesla's work, because that is something quite different.

Ernst.

I know little of Robert Golka's TMT replication. - Can you provide any links or information on his work? Links so far I have found of him lead to Richard Hulls work with magnifying coils, which work, but are designed only with sparks and arcs in mind. (I know Richard Hull's work with TMT’s as I have watched all 120 hours of his videos and built many of his display mode systems). Mostly these systems were all in 'display mode' only, which was his goal, to make impressive arcs. However for all of this impressive display, all of the flux is thrown out of the top termination and completely wasted into the air. Where as the terminal capacitance should used to reflect 90% of this flux (standing wave) and the true output is now the ground output. This is the true mode of operation of a TMT in basic form.

This is Dollard 101 and is also Tesla 101, when you consider all things and read the transcription of Tesla, in Leland Anderson's book, Tesla on his work with alternating currents.

Via, my own research of many years, the Tesla M.T. = Dollards M.T. closer than anything or anyone else, thus far (or shown thus far) working in the true mode of operation. To say otherwise is a slap in the face really. Has Dollard not given plans that directly model the CS TMT? Even down to the height to width ratio, the number of turns on the primary, secondary and extra coil? So how exactly is it so different from Tesla?