Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Berg]

Link to Stanley Meyer's Insulated Electrolysis Plates

@Berg

Thanks for the links.

I found a very interesting reference to Stanley Meyer's electrolysis cell, which pointed out his electrodes were coated with a thin insulating layer. That is Stanley Meyer's method was electrostatic, using high Voltage and not Current, to break the bonds of the Hydrogen to the Oxygen. It is this "high voltage electrostatic electrolysis" which can achieve the high efficiencies Mr. Meyer reported.

I also find it interesting if you research "Fuel Cell" in the common search engines today, you primarily get hits on Electrolysis methods and HHO cells for production of Hydrogen from water, which are not "Fuel Cells.

A Fuel Cell is all about combining Hydrogen and Oxygen to get electricity, the complete opposite of the electrolysis method for the production of Hydrogen.

Just like if you search "Tesla" you primarily get hits on the "Tesla Roadster" car and not the man, Nikola Tesla.

There are obvious and persistent efforts to suppress this type of information, contrary to what the average person might believe.

You're welcome, TeslaSecrets. I know it's off-topic, but if you could post that link to Stanley Meyer's insulated electrolysis plates, I'm sure we would all appreciate it very much.

Cheers

[Ein~+ein]

...if you research "Fuel Cell" in the common search engines today, you primarily get hits on Electrolysis ..., which are not "Fuel Cells.

There are obvious and persistent efforts to suppress this type of information, contrary to what the average person might believe.

Given that Wikipedia's entry for 'Free Energy' redirects to 'Perpetual Motion Machines' (of the past and their impossibility), I thought I'd check their entry:

A fuel cell is a device that converts the chemical energy from a fuel into electricity through a chemical reaction with oxygen or another oxidizing agent.

Perhaps this is public naivety, not some subversive attempt to suppress it.

By the way, starting with Toyota last fall, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan and others(?) have since announced their plans to go to hydrogen. M-Benz has been investing in hydrogen research for quite some time already. It's either:
a) they don't see a future in (H/B)EVs;
b) Big Oil's behind this as they'll control the infrastructure;
c) they're just hedging their bets in case the EV industry remains marginal.

[TeslaSecrets]

@Farmhand

Actually it is not my intention to confuse the meaning of "ground wave", but this is being done by the mainstream. I pointed out the mainstream definition of "ground wave" is a electromagnetic wave over the surface and provided this link previously:
Ground Wave Propagation :: Radio-Electronics.Com

I then pointed out this is not the "ground wave" that Tesla was thinking of and applying. I fully agree Tesla's idea of a "ground wave" meant through the Earth, not over the surface. I was attempting to point out this difference, not contradict myself. If you reread my comments you will see this.

@epwpixieq-1

The idea of a fulcrum is an excellent idea worth further research. There are some excellent minds who have proposed the "magnetic field" is not really a field in its own right, but a fulcrum. A discussion I feel would be lost on many, but is a remarkable concept. Walter Russel likens this relationship to an "ant an an elephant" being able to play see-saw or teeter totter, if the lever were long enough. Walter Russel refering to the ant as the mass and the space surrounding the mass as the elephant.

@Berg

Sorry I am unable to locate the link where I read about Stanley Meyer's insulated electrolysis plates. It was on someones personal web page and did not provide much more information then that there was some type of plastic or thin insulating layer on the electrodes. I believe it simply stated the electrodes were coated with a thin layer of some type of plastic or polymer.

@Ein~+ein

Forgive me for not getting into a discussion about the auto industry and big oil. I believe the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car" sums up the situation very well, especially the part with the mechanic comparing the parts and maintenance costs, times and cleanliness differences between maintenance of electric vehicles versus oil vehicles. With any new technology, the costs would go down if such concepts were mass produced and marketed to the same extent as the fuel oil systems are.

This is an excellent video discussing the "hydrogen car" and the associated technology and restrictions placed on its development.

Area 51 Engineer Bob Lazar's Hydrogen Powered Corvette - YouTube

As to the search engines, if you search "fuel cell" you do get fairly accurate results, and I apologize for my error and did not mean to mislead by this.
I retract my statement about "fuel cell" searches.

I realized what I had searched was "homemade fuel cell" in an effort to find some simple instructions on constructing such a device. I assumed in the last 10 years or so someone would have found a simple way to build a "homemade fuel cell" using common materials. If you search "homemade fuel cell" in google, you will see most links are to electrolysis methods not true fuel cells. There was one link I found which suggested using parts from an electric razor and a simple paper membrane, which was close to what I was looking for.

Something I wish to clarify about capacitors which is important to understand the Wardenclyffe system. A "perfect" capacitor has no external electric field and thus cannot radiate. No capacitor is perfect of course, but we can thus see how a large capacitive terminal reduces radiation, not increases it as some not versed in electrical field theory may assume. I again point out, Wardenclyffe would not have been shooting lightning bolts into the air, as common hobby Tesla coils do and is depicted in some artistic drawings of Wardenclyffe in operation. Wardenclyffe would not have emitted lightning bolts. This would have been extremely noisy and hazardous.

[Farmhand]

yes, it can be shown with capacitor.....but not alone....
Why is that instantaneous power magnification so important ? Why do people again and again build inverters ?

Imagine a situation : you have 1000W 12V to 240V DC-DC inverter and a small like 12Ah lead acid battery. You take a cup of water (a tiny cup) and a special home made small heater and you can boil it easily. Now , we know we cannot do that for a few liters because of capacity of battery is too small to provide continuous power at that level.
The essence is that we need exactly that power we get , nothing more...but extended in time in continuous mode. All is fine and understandable so far.
How about an upgrade ? Divide those few liters into many little cups and boil them independently ? Well, we know that wouldn't work...except if at each small cup we could somehow recover the initial energy put into boiling operation.....for example by taking a heat from environment... ha ha heat pump to boil water to get heat ? but the idea is to be used everywhere, not just for heat....especially if magnetic field around wire obey Newton III law

Yes well maybe two resistors are also needed as well as the battery and
capacitor to show magnification, simply charge the capacitor through a higher
resistance then discharge it through a lower resistance and the discharge
power will be higher than the charging power. That is a magnification of power
no extra energy is used however the charging power is less than the discharge power.

My point is that magnification of power is dead easy and does not require a
Tesla coil or any special equipment.

Take two equal amounts of liquid fuel then just burn one like normal as a
baseline then to magnify the power of the second sample you just need to
make it burn quicker, by turning the fuel to mist or atomizing it and mixing it
with oxygen before igniting it will cause the fuel to be burned much quicker
like an explosion, that is a magnification of power as well.

There is nothing free in magnification. There is nothing extra in magnification
it's just a different rate of energy dissipation or delivery.

It's useful so people do it.

Cheers

[boguslaw]

ha ha of course it's useful

I assure you many many people know the difference between magnification as per explosion and magnification as per controlled avalanche. Simply put : take explosion and convert into real usable ENERGY GAIN.
Another analogy : a small child cannot break a wall using head like this
however if it hit a weak construction point the avalanche can do more then breaking a wall , can demolish whole building indeed.....

The missing point here is the Newton III law reaction difference
When ONLY a child head get wall reaction nothing happen (well, except a big headache ), but when reaction is placed and taken and consumed and ... and... got it ? Surely you have spotted that kind of reaction... I have a small box of burned electronics for this kind of reactions ....

[Farmhand]

Creating an avalanche is harnessing stored or potential energy, it's not
magnification as I see it.

The effects of an avalanche could themselves be magnified.

Cheers

[TeslaSecrets]

@berg

Did some digging to find the material Stanley Meyer used to insulate his electrodes. You can find some discussion of this here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...rolysis-2.html

Material was called Delrin and can be read about here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene


I post the following comments, as evidence of how big companies suppress technology to maintain their own status quo and profits, such as the case with Wardenclyffe. I realize this is somewhat off topic and should be on a new forum topic. Suffice it to say, anyone having faith that these big companies have our best interests at heart, is just not aware of the facts.

Here are some links to an article about Frank Stelzer and his free floating piston internal combustion engine.
http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/stelzer1.jpg
http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/stelzer2.jpg
http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/stelzer3.jpg
http://www.ovaltech.ca/ovlpics/stelzer4.jpg

I believe this was linked earlier in this topic as an example of a free floating piston mechanical oscillator, which btw was first investigated by Tesla. The article was written in the mid 80's and since this time, this remarkable engine has essentially disappeared from the public eye. The idea was bought out by Volkswagon, who assured us they were testing it as to its potential application. Obviously they had no intention of ever mass producing such an efficient engine. The article makes the advantages of such a motor completely clear. Frank's engine could be made with 8 parts, lasted many times longer, ran cooler, had higher efficiency, was easily scalable etc etc etc.

The Tesla turbine was developed to the point you could have a 200 Hp unit, which fit in the palm of your hand. The left hand presented Tesla to the public as an eccentric mad man, while the right hand threw enormous sums of money into researching and successfully proving his ideas.

I think it is very naive to suggest current industry has any intention of using technologies which would undermine their current systems. Big oil would only support a hydrogen economy if they were the ones you had to buy the hydrogen from. Except, since hydrogen is the most abundant element in our Universe, they know this just is not possible.

A representative from Ford comments in the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car", "There is no incentive for auto makers to develop more fuel efficient vehicles. Were not the ones buying the fuel." Indeed, Volkswagon had a car which got over 90 mpg back in the early 40's or 50's, and yet we are meant to believe increases of 5 or 6 mpg of mileage are "big advancements". There is no doubt in my mind some of these companies have a whole warehouse full of "super carboarators" and better engines.

Hybrids are being sold, simply because they increase the part count and complexity of existing vehicles. The battery in the Prius, is the size of a few encyclopedias. Even, the Tesla roadster has inherent built in flaws, such as it must be plugged in always, as discharging the battery completely will require the battery be replaced at high cost.

The Internal combustion engine, as we use it today, was obsolete 20 years after its invention. So was AC transmission. These are facts.

Furthermore, the value of all the copper wires strung across the world, could easily pay for a world wireless system such as Wardenclyffe. Money is not the issue here. Ignorance is the greatest force holding us back.

Even so called educational and science channels on television are full of gold fever, product advertisments, couponing, game shows, wedding dresses, how to make cakes, etc etc. Discovery and The Learning Channel being prime examples. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

As Tesla points out in "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy"

Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world. - Buddha

[boguslaw]

Creating an avalanche is harnessing stored or potential energy, it's not
magnification as I see it.

The effects of an avalanche could themselves be magnified.

Cheers

Nice you got it, you need just to push it a little more harder....find circuit potential.....did you remember who said that ?

[dR-Green]

The difference between radio and Wardenclyffe from the man himself:

You are preaching to the choir.

noun
1. wireless telegraphy or telephony: speeches broadcast by radio.
2. an apparatus for receiving or transmitting radio broadcasts.
3. a message transmitted by radio.
adjective
4. pertaining to, used in, or sent by radio.
5. pertaining to or employing radiations, as of electrical energy.
verb (used with object)
6. to transmit (a message, music, etc.) by radio.
7. to send a message to (a person) by radio.
verb (used without object)
8. to transmit a message, music, etc., by radio.

Radio | Define Radio at Dictionary.com

Everything except definition 5. You know full well what I'm talking about anyway. I am not referring to wave propagation or wave types, as I've already explained at least 3 times. The fact remains that you need a license to transmit legally whether through the air or the earth.

January 14 2012, reception of commercial AM radio transmission from 100kW transmitter located 84km away, signal received via the earth.

Crystal Sets Gone Wild - YouTube

January 2 2013, transmission of modulated carrier signal via single wire transmission line through bucket of soil A.k.A. wireless. The transmitter provides the power that drives the receiving load, in this case a speaker that allows one to hear the modulated signal.

Tesla Wireless Transmission Of Power And Signal - Improvements-01 - YouTube

January 17 2013, transmission via the earth using same amplifier circuit as above, less than 400mW input at 9V, no modulation. You will notice holes in the ground where I had tested various distances and found that the amount of power available at the receiver depended on the distance between the earth rods.

Tesla Wireless Telluric Transmission Test-01 - In The Snow - YouTube

If you reread my comments you will see this.

I might say the same to you.

I obviously agree Wardenclyffe used the Earth as the main means of transmission. I agree there will always be some electromagnetic radiation ( ie radio waves ) from such a system, but the fact remains this is considered a loss in the case of Wardenclyffe, not the goal.

No one here ever said it was.

The internet is essentially a technology providing something for free at the cost of those who invested in its creation. Sure you have to have an ISP, but to say we shouldn't have developed such a technology because people might use it for spam or porn or might get something for free is a ridiculous argument, considering the overall benefit and advancement to humanity it has provided.

Tesla had a similar vision for power transmission and it is likely some means to "charge" for it could have been devised had the idea not been suppressed.

There seems to be a focus on the Wardencyffe for the wireless transmission of information, however Wardenclyffe was first and foremost a means to transmit wireless industrial power, not information. The ability of Wardenclyffe to transmit information, was a secondary application.

No one is saying it "shouldn't" be done either. I'm saying it's not going to be done because no one is going to pay for it, no one in the position to do so would see any sense in it. No one wants to give the greedy masses something for free, when it will cost the financier a great deal ONLY due to the fact that the masses themselves want it to cost a great deal because they want to be paid for whatever material they provide. Do you see the irony and the paradox? If humanity wants to benefit then they need to agree upon a collective effort to bring something about instead of complaining that some other individual isn't doing it on the entire population's behalf.

Internet content might be free to view, after you pay a subscription to access it, but it costs the web developers money, which they get in return through adverts. They're not doing it at a loss, they have to pay the bills somehow, it's a regular business. Someone is always paying for it somewhere along the line because more often than not they can get more money back. Not to mention a web page is essentially free to make and anyone can learn, there are even "free" hosts if you are willing to put up with their adverts all over your page. Who do you think paid for the phone lines? Surely the cost of initial investment is covered by now. A shame that the masses don't think to become investors in a national/global project rather than ignorant consumers who have to continue to pay bills long after the system is paid for.

The only differentiation between "power" and "signal" transmission is some sort of modulation, and in fact signal transmission includes within it power and you wouldn't even know it if the receiver wasn't set up to demodulate the signal, it makes no difference which you focus on. That deals with the power supply circuit, the coil is no different. The failing is that the Tesla fanatics can't see this, they've gone their "Tesla coil" direction, and the practical applications have gone in the "radio communications" direction, when the inventor never intended a split.

[boguslaw]

I don't understand why you both argue ....maybe my English is too limited... do you really state that radio waves can be used to send power in substantial amount ?

Please, could you post statements about Tesla system which are sure and we could all agree about ? The common denominator parts ??

[dR-Green]

I don't understand why you both argue ....maybe my English is too limited... do you really state that radio waves can be used to send power in substantial amount ?

No, not radio waves and not radiation through the air. I have first hand experience in experimenting with the technology and I've seen, or discovered if you will, for myself that the transmission is not through the air, it's perfectly obvious to anyone who actually uses it, so don't let TeslaSecrets convince you that I'm trying to argue the opposite. See the video references in my last post.

"This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one. All impediments of conduction arise from confinement of the electric and magnetic fluxes to narrow channels. The globe is free of such cramping and hinderment. It is an ideal conductor because of its immensity, isolation in space, and geometrical form. Its singleness is only an apparent limitation, for by impressing upon it numerous non-interfering vibrations, the flow of energy may be directed through any number of paths which, though bodily connected, are yet perfectly distinct and separate like ever so many cables. Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.

It is intended to give practical demonstrations of these principles with the plant illustrated. As soon as completed, it will be possible for a business man in New York to dictate instructions, and have them instantly appear in type at his office in London or elsewhere. He will be able to call up, from his desk, and talk to any telephone subscriber on the globe, without any change whatever in the existing equipment. An inexpensive instrument, not bigger than a watch, will enable its bearer to hear anywhere, on sea or land, music or song, the speech of a political leader, the address of an eminent man of science, or the sermon of an eloquent clergyman, delivered in some other place, however distant. In the same manner any picture, character, drawing, or print can be transferred from one to another place. Millions of such instruments can be operated from but one plant of this kind. More important than all of this, however, will be the transmission of power, without wires, which will be shown on a scale large enough to carry conviction. These few indications will be sufficient to show that the wireless art offers greater possibilities than any invention or discovery heretofore made, and if the conditions are favorable, we can expect with certitude that in the next few years wonders will be wrought by its application."

"The Future of the Wireless Art" by Nikola Tesla

Please, could you post statements about Tesla system which are sure and we could all agree about ? The common denominator parts ??

NIKOLA TESLA ON HIS WORK WITH ALTERNATING CURRENTS and Their Application to Wireless Telegraphy, Telephony and Transmission of Power : An Extended Interview

Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents -- Chapter IV

Nikola Tesla on His Work With Alternating Currents and Their Application to ... - Nikola Tesla - Google Books

[Kokomoj0]

Thus the virtue of the principle I have discovered resides wholly in the conversion of the energy on the downward flow.

the primary object of which was to secure the greatest economy of transformation of heat into mechanical energy.

A characteristic feature of the engine was that the work-performing piston was not connected with anything else, but was perfectly free to vibrate at an enormous rate.

what if teslas purpose was like super simple, to put into resonance and vibrate this large gradient potential with just a little energy to do so?











so ya get the whole thing vibrating and anything stuck in the ground that resonates, well you all know what would happen.

My idea at that time was that I would disturb the electrical equilibrium in the nearby portions of the earth, and the equilibrium being disturbed, this could then be utilized to bring into operation in any way some instrument.

Then I discharge the condenser under conditions which result in the production of vibrations.

Now, it was known since Lord Kelvin that the condenser discharge would give this vibration, but I perfected my apparatus to such a degree that it became an instrument utilizable in the arts, in a much broader way than Lord Kelvin had contemplated as possible.

I have designed circuits in connection with an enterprise in 1898 for transmission of energy which, once started, would vibrate three years, and even after that the oscillations could still be detected.

In the Houston Street laboratory, I could take in my hands a coil tuned to my body and collect 3/4 horsepower anywhere in the room without tangible connection, and I have often disillusioned my visitors in regard to such wonderful effects. Sometimes, I would produce flames shooting out from my head and run a motor in my hands, or light six or eight lamps. They could not understand these manifestations of energy and thought that it was a genuine transmission of power. I told them that these phenomena were wonderful, but that a system of transmission, based on the same principle, was absolutely worthless. It was a transmission by electromagnetic waves. The solution lay in a different direction. I am showing you this [diagram] simply as a typical form of apparatus of that period, and if you go over the literature of the present day you will find that the newest arrangements have nothing better to show.


Then I had a sensibly damped wave because at that time I still was laboring under the same difficulties as some do this day—I had not learned how to produce a circuit which would give me, with very few fundamental impulses, a perfectly continuous wave. That came with the perfection of the devices. When I came to my experiments in Colorado, I could take my apparatus like that and get a continuous or undamped wave, almost without exception, between individual discharges.

Counsel

Speaking of your not having perfectly undamped waves at that time, you were referring to that character of circuit?

Tesla

Yes, but with another kind of circuit I could, of course. The advantage of this apparatus was the delivering of energy at short intervals whereby one could increase activity, and with this scheme I was able to perform all of those wonderful experiments which have been reprinted from time to time in the technical papers. I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower. In Colorado, I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time. You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave. The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt, an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more. That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.

I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum. For instance, if the engine is of 200 horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower. That is how these wonderful effects are produced. The condenser is the most wonderful instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives. There is no limit to the energy which you can develop with a condenser. There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive.


The idea was to put the coil, with reference to the primary, in an inductive connection which was not close—we call it now a loose coupling—but free to permit a great resonant rise. That was the first single step, as I say, toward the evolution of an invention which I have called my "magnifying transmitter." That means, a circuit connected to ground and to the antenna, of a tremendous electromagnetic momentum and small damping factor, with all the conditions so determined that an immense accumulation of electrical energy can take place.

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[TeslaSecrets]

Consider the following system to replicate some of the features of Wardenclyffe on a small scale. It may be possible to replicate the regenerative feedback magnifying effect using this system.

Most of this is standard Tesla coil design, with the addition of one component, which from what I have seen, has not been tried yet.

You would need to build 2 Tesla coils.

One which is powered, utilizing a primary coil coupled to a 1/2 wave secondary coil. A 1/4 wave extra coil is connected to the top of this secondary and a capacitive terminal connected to the top of the extra coil. The top terminal should be of sufficient size to prevent any discharge into the air. This first coil is coupled to the powered primary and thus not completely "free" of influence from the primary, although the extra coil does "loosen" the connection.

The second coil is simply a secondary coil with top terminal, of 1/4 wave or 3/4 wave length. Both coils must have the same exact resonant frequency.

A spark gap may be necessary between the top terminals and the secondary coils.

The second coil is placed near the first coil, but not magnetically coupled to same. The distance between the two coils, will be important as well, and would need to be determined by experiment, but will be related to the wavelength used and sizes of the top terminals.

Now here is where this design differs. Both coils are mounted to and the bottom connections of each, are connected to a single large, good conducting metal sheet or plate. This substitutes for the ground connection or Earth in most designs. This plate must be much larger than the coils themselves extending some distance around both coils. This plate should not be grounded to Earth, and insulated somewhat from the Earth. This plate should not have sharp points or edges and thus cannot be a square.

Thus the first powered coil, can electrostaticly influence the second unpowered coil, through the charge developed upon this large plate.

This will allow the second coil to be influenced from the powered coil, but with a very loose electrostatic connection, as required for
significant feedback to occur.

[Kokomoj0]

ah dunno, it almost sounds to me like tesla had an operational combination of a psec and a joule ringer for coils.

[Farmhand]

Consider the following system to replicate some of the features of Wardenclyffe on a small scale. It may be possible to replicate the regenerative feedback magnifying effect using this system.

Most of this is standard Tesla coil design, with the addition of one component, which from what I have seen, has not been tried yet.

You would need to build 2 Tesla coils.

One which is powered, utilizing a primary coil coupled to a 1/2 wave secondary coil. A 1/4 wave extra coil is connected to the top of this secondary and a capacitive terminal connected to the top of the extra coil. The top terminal should be of sufficient size to prevent any discharge into the air. This first coil is coupled to the powered primary and thus not completely "free" of influence from the primary, although the extra coil does "loosen" the connection.

The second coil is simply a secondary coil with top terminal, of 1/4 wave or 3/4 wave length. Both coils must have the same exact resonant frequency.

A spark gap may be necessary between the top terminals and the secondary coils.

The second coil is placed near the first coil, but not magnetically coupled to same. The distance between the two coils, will be important as well, and would need to be determined by experiment, but will be related to the wavelength used and sizes of the top terminals.

Now here is where this design differs. Both coils are mounted to and the bottom connections of each, are connected to a single large, good conducting metal sheet or plate. This substitutes for the ground connection or Earth in most designs. This plate must be much larger than the coils themselves extending some distance around both coils. This plate should not be grounded to Earth, and insulated somewhat from the Earth. This plate should not have sharp points or edges and thus cannot be a square.

Thus the first powered coil, can electrostaticly influence the second unpowered coil, through the charge developed upon this large plate.

This will allow the second coil to be influenced from the powered coil, but with a very loose electrostatic connection, as required for
significant feedback to occur.

Problem, if you have a half wave secondary then at the top of the secondary
will be a zero volt or current node just like at the bottom connected to the
ground, it won't work like that. The secondary when connected to the extra
coil need both make up a 1/4 WL, if not there will be HV nodes in places down the
coil, with lower voltages that's OK but higher voltages it will cause problems.

1/4 WL from the ground to the terminal on top of the extra coil. To be picky
the secondary and extra coils can be made to have some frequency
relationship with each other as I think they should ie. the extra coil could
have 1-3-5 or 7 times the length of wire in the secondary or 1-3-5 or 7 times
the separated resonant frequency with the torus included on the
extra. Though I don't think it is imperative, Tesla shows a 1:5 ratio secondary
wire length to the extra and 1:5 ratio diameter secondary to Extra coil. Odd harmonics.

Cheers

P.S. To be fair a few of us have considered similar things and it shows that you are in fact thinking into this and brainstorming which is always good.
Kudos to you.