Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Farmhand]

Equipment and parts wishlist.

Sorry to go off topic.

This is an idea I had which was inspired by TeslaSecrets.

An equipment and parts wishlist, it should be a new thread preferably a sticky,
where people with an idea for a device but having very limited funds ect. can
layout a plan, then say what they would need, what they have and don't have
as well as what they can get and what they cannot get, then others like
myself who buy some things in bulk and collect/reclaim parts might be able to donate
some things to help. Lots of us would be more than happy to help if we can.
Some of us may even buy stuff to send like equipment or donate old scopes
and such things.

For instance I've got and old scope I could let go, I've got 1000's of 10 k 1/4 watt
resistors, some obsolete but new transistors, lot's of stuff to numerous and varied to mention.

Some folks are students and such and so find it difficult to get all the things
needed for experiments. I'm fairly sure there are many like me who if they see
someone needs something in particular and we can help we will.

The only problem is it means the receiver will need to PM people an address.

Anyway it's a thought, and as a community I think we should try harder to
help each other in more ways than just talk.

Some suppliers have very cheap parts but they take time to come and some
need to be ordered in bulk lots.

Some kind of anti scammer procedure might be needed.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Actually Tesla Secrets, You're right it would work with a half wave on the
secondary and a 1/4 or 3/4 on the Extra coil but with HV the HV nodes could be
a problem especially if one occurs along the connecting wire/plate on the ground.

I've got a setup where I can try a HV setup with a wire connection but without
the connecting wire held to a low potential I think there would be problems.
So I intend to try a few methods to try to couple the connecting wire/plate to
the ground. The Don Smith Device kind of does that with a capacitor/varistor or
resistor or some such thing. Can't recall.

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[tutanka]

Actually Tesla Secrets, You're right it would work with a half wave on the
secondary and a 1/4 or 3/4 on the Extra coil but with HV the HV nodes could be
a problem especially if one occurs along the connecting wire/plate on the ground.

I've got a setup where I can try a HV setup with a wire connection but without
the connecting wire held to a low potential I think there would be problems.
So I intend to try a few methods to try to couple the connecting wire/plate to
the ground. The Don Smith Device kind of does that with a capacitor/varistor or
resistor or some such thing. Can't recall.

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Clean your mind and forget all informations about Tesla Wanderclyffe Tower , 1/4 wavelenght.. electrostatic energy.. longitudinal waves... 12Hz frequency of earth, spiral coil, etc...

The first radioation of positive solar particles hit the ionosphere creating an air plasma zone... here some energy is accumulated but not all particles are absorbed..an second radiation of positive particles pass over at not high intensity and reach the earth. What suggest to you the diagram attached???

Sometimes you have to stop and think!!

[Farmhand]

Old News

Yeah that's old news. We are all aware of the Air Ionosphere gap.
Can you show you're experimental setup ?

Cheers

[dR-Green]

On the "4th coil" and such

From CS Notes



A.K.A. Choking coil as was previously discussed.

[dR-Green]

On a power supply

[Farmhand]

Hi dR, Good point on the sparking to ground, I read that too. I generally use a
high resistance (dry ground) a separate one, so that I can allow the sparks/arcs
to ground through a fluro tube or a small coil but into a fairly high resistance
ground when testing stuff out having fun ect. . I did notice problems allowing
arcs to a good ground directly. The coil myself and all my equipment is pretty
much inside a steel box, I put the coil near the wooden door. I changed the
spark gap so that the safety gap doesn't fire to ground as well, it's a + - DC supply.

So far this Transformer can go 620 Watts input from the supply with a Power
Factor of 0.97. Considering the frequency and the input break rate is fairly high
I don't expect to get much bigger arcs than in this video, I've reached the
leak limit of my rough toroid, it leaks a bit at 400 Watts and over, even
without a point.

Tesla coil test 2 - YouTube

I also discovered a 2 meter by 300 mm aluminium plate suspended 13 mm from
my concrete slab has about 800 pF of capacitance to the ground stake and I
can couple a receiver to the ground with it for some effect. Have you
measured the capacitance of a pot of dirt to the radiator system or some
other ground dR ? Maybe an RC car could be coupled to ground with a under-body plate.

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[boguslaw]

This thread is related : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...trying-do.html

[Ernst]

Dr-Green's true colours

Good to see how things develop when I'm away. Dr-Green trying to lead people away from the true 4th coil. Is it your hurt pride, or can you not stand the fact that the truth is out?
I think it is the latter or maybe even both.
The voltage magnification through a regenerative feed back loop is a fact. The point is proven. It is useless to try to deny it. Funny that you even try.

The tower is also converting energy from space into useable energy. That point now also is a proven fact. But why should I post it here and spend hours fighting of mindless shills?

Dollard too, he may be a good guy, but he is sure leading you in the wrong direction.

Read Tesla and read it again, forget about all other who say they know better. They do not!

@ Farmhand,
You would like to build something as in patent 1,119,732, right? Let me show you something that is most probably overlooked by everyone (but me ). Have a good look at the attached image. A REAL good look. And tell me in what direction these coils are wound. Trust me, this no accident, this is essential.

Greetings to y'all!
Ernst.

[Farmhand]

Yeah the coils are wound CW rather than CCW as is usual practice. However I think
if a transformer is wound all CW it will work the same as all CCW except the
phase will be 180 degrees from a CCW wound one, as long as all the coils on
each one transformer are the same it should work. I actually did not notice
that though, very good catch, I usually spot things like that. And it is close
wound as well, i did spot that, I think if the wire insulation is thick and taken
into account spacing is not needed. Speaking of winding direction, considering
storm energy spirals the opposite way in the southern hemisphere as
compared to the northern hemisphere, then below the equator we should
probably wind our regular coils CW and our Tesla transformers CCW.

Why is it that most coils are CCW is it just for conformity or compatibility ?

People kept telling me that with the two spiral coil transmission setup needed
opposite wound coils, but spiral coils have a unique attribute they can only be
wound one way, when you turn one over it become's opposite but when you
turn over a solenoid it remains the same. A spiral coils "height" is in the same
plane as it's diameters.

Please check you're emails in a few hours Ernst.

Not a whole lot of light but it's a start, the second transformer is induced or
capacatively coupled or both but it is a "fourth coil of sorts" and does step up
the voltage amongst other things, My health is on and off so I'm
experimenting when i can.

Lighting a 12 volt 21 watt globe from one second transformer and partially
lighting a 240 volt 25 watt globe from another identical transformer. Those small coils
were never meant for HV or high current, I think they are working at or near
their limit with better tuning the output could be more. Output is only a
fraction of the input.
Tesla Coil test light output 1 - YouTube

Video showing a higher voltage on the induced transformer double the turns
but the transformation ratio is less 1:40 for the small coils and 1:200 for the Main coil.
Tesla Coil Test mirror coil - 1 - YouTube

Longer run with Arcing shows the good break rates. about 250, 500 and 1000 BPS seem to be good.
Tesla coil test 2 - YouTube

This video is mainly to show the pictures of the intertwining arcs at the end.
I got at least one double helix at 0:50 seconds.
Tesla coil short run with pics - YouTube

Some might say I'm just making arcs but I'm studying them in my own way, and it's a tuning indicator.
I've got the noise feedback on the lines sorted and I can use an energy meter at
the input, I can use from a bit under 200 Watts up to just over 600 Watts
when the ballast restricts the current. The power factor remains in the range
of 0.96 to 0.98 so a simple volts by amps calculation is close to real power
I have analogue meters for that so the energy meter is not needed except to
check the PF.

Cheers

[dR-Green]

Good to see how things develop when I'm away. Dr-Green trying to lead people away from the true 4th coil. Is it your hurt pride, or can you not stand the fact that the truth is out?
I think it is the latter or maybe even both.
The voltage magnification through a regenerative feed back loop is a fact. The point is proven. It is useless to try to deny it. Funny that you even try.

Where is it proven and by who? I don't care if you use a "4th coil" or not. Go back and read the reason I talked about it.

Read Tesla and read it again, forget about all other who say they know better. They do not!

You forgot to add "except when dR-Green posts things that Tesla wrote".

[Ernst]

Nope.... a REALLY good look!

Almost Farmhand....

Looking from the top down:
- Primary: CW
- Secondary: CW
- Extra: CCW !!!

Why would that be? Think total wire length... wire length per coil....

Also a worthwile experiment:
Measure the electric field strength near the coil (not the top load).
- after the coil has not been used for 30 minutes
- after the coil has been used for at least 10 minutes
Compare these values...

@ all shills:
Eat your little hearts out on this!

Bye for now, back to the lab
Ernst.

[dR-Green]

People kept telling me that with the two spiral coil transmission setup needed
opposite wound coils, but spiral coils have a unique attribute they can only be
wound one way, when you turn one over it become's opposite but when you
turn over a solenoid it remains the same. A spiral coils "height" is in the same
plane as it's diameters.

Yes, except for practical purposes it's convenient to make actual opposite wound coils otherwise it will be more difficult to work with and you'll need to do something to raise it off whatever surface when it's turned upside down. All the terminals will need to be reached from below etc, so if you're making two then you'd may as well save the hassle and just make them opposite to begin with. And they can be mounted vertically anyway.

As you know the things will work when the coils are wound in the same direction with any combination of coils and sizes and geometries. All kinds of coils will work*. But be careful you don't get called a shill if you say these things

*Disclaimer: Not necessarily at optimum performance/efficiency under such conditions.

[Farmhand]

Almost Farmhand....

Looking from the top down:
- Primary: CW
- Secondary: CW
- Extra: CCW !!!

Why would that be? Think total wire length... wire length per coil....

Also a worthwile experiment:
Measure the electric field strength near the coil (not the top load).
- after the coil has not been used for 30 minutes
- after the coil has been used for at least 10 minutes
Compare these values...

@ all shills:
Eat your little hearts out on this!

Bye for now, back to the lab
Ernst.

Yes I think you might be right, the extra coil is wound CCW when looking
down, the primary does seem to be definitely wound, CW when looking down
from the top but it's difficult to call on the secondary, if the secondary was
wound CCW and the primary CW all it would mean is that a DC impulse would
drive the terminal negative first instead of positive I think, not certain about
that but I can test it. If the secondary was CW and the extra coil CCW it can
cancel some coupling or mutual inductance or something, that is covered in
the Colorado Springs Notes, I can find the page later, we should let Tesla
explain what that does and the reasons for it. It is explained, but it could take
a while to find.

The primary and secondary look to be CW to me, on closer inspection.

The other advantage I see with the drawing is that the join from secondary to
extra is on the opposite side to the ground point and the primary
capacitor/circuit ect. so less dangerous.

Cheers

P.S. I'll find that section in the notes.

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[Farmhand]

Page 69 or page 64 of the PDF see attached.. I think there is more elsewhere on
it, the actual book has more in it than the PDF, So i'll check the book.

I don't have formal education with drawing electrical schematics but I do with
fabrication/structural and if I applied what I know from tech drawing I would
draw the secondary as wound CW the way it is drawn in the Patent, best to
look at the bigger drawing in the patent.

So I agree the primary and secondary are wound CW and the Extra coil is wound
CCW in the patent drawing.

It would be interesting to hear how that would effect Eric's calculations on the subject.

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