Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Ernst]

Good to see that that is sorted out!

Oh, Gav, whether this is my design or Tesla's, I will leave that for you to decide. It is based on my interpretation of Tesla's writings.

Let's continue, we have a lot of work to do!

I adhere to the idea that there is a thing which we have been in the habit of calling electricity. The question is, What is that thing? or, What, of all things, the existence of which we know, have we the best reason to call electricity? We know that it acts like an incompressible fluid; that there must be a constant quantity of it in nature; that it can be neither produced nor destroyed; and, what is more important, the electro-magnetic theory of light and all facts observed teach us that electric and ether phenomena are identical. The idea at once suggests itself, therefore, that electricity might be called ether. In fact, this view has in a certain sense been advanced by Dr. Lodge. His interesting work has been read by everyone and many have been convinced by his arguments. Isis great ability and the interesting nature of the subject, keep the reader spellbound; but when the impressions fade, one realizes that he has to deal only with ingenious explanations. I must confess, that I cannot believe in two electricities, much less in a doubly-constituted ether. The puzzling behavior of the ether as a solid waves of light anti heat, and as a fluid to the motion of bodies through it, is certainly explained in the most natural and satisfactory manner by assuming it to be in motion, as Sir William Thomson has suggested; but regardless of this, there is nothing which would enable us to conclude with certainty that, while a fluid is not capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of a few hundred or thousand per second, it might not be capable of transmitting such vibrations when they range into hundreds of million millions per second. Nor can anyone prove that there are transverse ether waves emitted from an alternate current machine, giving a small number of alternations per second; to such slow disturbances, the ether, if at rest, may behave as a true fluid.
Returning to the subject, and bearing in mind that the existence of two electricities is, to say the least, highly improbable, we must remember, that we have no evidence of electricity, nor can we hope to get it, unless gross matter is present. Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound other; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule. Looking at it in that light, we would be justified in saying, that electricity is concerned in all molecular actions.
Now, precisely what the ether surrounding the molecules is, wherein it differs from ether in general, can only be conjectured. It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible; it must, therefore, be under some strain or is motion, and the latter is the most probable. To understand its functions, it would be necessary to have an exact idea of the physical construction of matter, of which, of course, we can only form a mental picture.
But of all the views on nature, the one which assumes one matter and one force, and a perfect uniformity throughout, is the most scientific and most likely to be true. An infinitesimal world, with the molecules and their atoms spinning and moving in orbits, in much the same manner as celestial bodies, carrying with them and probably spinning with them ether, or in other words; carrying with them static charges, seems to my mind the most probable view, and one which, in a plausible manner, accounts for most of the phenomena observed. The spinning of the molecules and their ether sets up the ether tensions or electrostatic strains; the equalization of ether tensions sets up ether motions or electric currents, and the orbital movements produce the effects of electro and permanent magnetism.

Here is where Tesla describes his view on electricity in the most clear way.
1 - it concerns matter and force. This force I would like to call electricity from now on. The matter that electricity acts on are the unit charges: electrons.
2 - electricity is not an ether phenomenon. It is something completely separate from ether.
3 - there is only 1 type of electricity eventhough this results in two types of charge.
This view is clearly repeated in the part of the 1900 CM article that I have already copied here. Something worthwhile repeating is perhaps:

The existence of movement unavoidably implies a body which is being moved and a force which is moving it. Hence, wherever there is life, there is a mass moved by a force. All mass possesses inertia, all force tends to persist. Owing to this universal property and condition, a body, be it at rest or in motion, tends to remain in the same state, and a force, manifesting itself anywhere and through whatever cause, produces an equivalent opposing force, and as an absolute necessity of this it follows that every movement in nature must be rhythmical.

So electricity influences electrons, but we can also use electrons to influence electricity.
To understand Tesla's work it is an absolute necessity to fully understand this view.

In this understanding we can view electrical pressure/potential as heat. Heat is a measure of the average motion of the molecules. This becomes appearant when you liquify a gas. Fast molecules escape first, leaving slow molecules behind. This would imply that in a discharge 'high potential charges' escape first...
Bet you never thought of it that way?

Tesla's view can very easily be linked to Vedic insights. Ether would be Akasha, electricity would be Prana.

Because of the importance of first understanding this before anyone can even hope to understand Tesla's work, I will leave it here for today.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Sorry, forgot....

I forgot to mention that Tesla's view on electricity and ether invalidates the Michelson-Morley experiment. According to Tesla's view the Earth moves around the sun BECAUSE the ether, being set in motion by the Sun, is dragging the Earth along.
Michelson and others expected the ether to be at rest in some frame of reference and the Earth moving through it, which is the most unlikely case if you really think about it.

As it appears very few have really though about it

This view also is the key to determine the electric potential of the Sun.

Ernst.

[logos]

i will contribute an observation i made, i dont know if it is relevant.

the other day i was at the beach and our volleball fell into the water. i spun the ball while it was sitting on the water and observed that the water started climbingup the ball in a vortex fashion while simultaneously droplets where being forced outward by centrifugal force. also if i pushed the ball into the water and spun it, it would bounce out of the water and a little water vortex would come out of the top of the sea level.

my conclusion is that this was possible because the air and water, even though made of the same parts of matter, have different densities and the action of spinning the ball causing this friction produced the above results. it's a simple experiment and yet was very revealing.

now the aether, as i understand it is ever present and has it's own density. it seems like the composition of the aether is also different in some ways then the regular elementals(water, air, etc) that we can actually perceive with our own senses. however it SHOULD respond in the same way if not much more intense. this seems that, should the aether be accessed, because it has cosmic principles, it would need a similar setup to access those cosmic forces. forces like magnetism and electricity then would be in relation to the plasma qualities harnessed. it dows seem however that aether forces can be manipulated beyond the scope of our regular elements as according to EPD, the aether does not only exist in our 3rd dimension.

so if i can guess correctly, electricity and more so plasma discharge is a glimpse from our dimension into fourth dimension thus having the characteristic of imploding within itself, like a lightning bolt for example. and because atoms' electrons appear to have the characteristics of being multidimensional, accessing them through our "known" means produces results that can be classified as phenomenon.

comments?

[Ernst]

That is more than 1 interesting observation and a thought that entered my mind as well...
When you spin the ball, through adhesion and centrifugal force, the water will rise on the sides of the ball until half its height. But the energy that is needed to raise the water is supplied by spinning the ball. So it does not come for free.
EPD does his own "experimental" math as he describes it. He redefines terms that are well defined, such as "dimension". This makes his work difficult to grasp for anyone but himself and introduces the likelyhood of errors.
In my view, and I believe also in Tesla's, we do not need more dimensions than the ones we are familiar with. But I must admit that I too have considered the possibility that a discharge was like an opening in the space as we know it. I have abandonned that idea after a few days working on it.
I have experimental proof that a streamer differs from a discharge in the sense that there is NO current in a streamer. But this too does not bring you any closer to a solution.
I have to do something else now, I'll be back later.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Ok, here is the problem.
We want to move electric charge, so we can create an electric potential which in turn we can use to generate an electric current. But we want to do this without using energy on our behalf, we have to use energy that is already present in an unused form. It is working against us now, but we will have to change the situation so that it will help us instead.
So picture ourselves standing at the bottom of a mountain with a bucket of water. By whatever process and whatever means, I want to end up with a situation in which the water is at the top of the mountain and I have not spend energy.

My last few posts here supply sufficient info to figure it out, but I will give you Tesla's own analogies here. There are three, the first is more about Wardenclyffe as a whole:

Naturally, the improvements were not quick in coming; still, little by little, I advanced. The flame grew larger and larger, and its oxidizing action grew more intense. From an insignificant brush-discharge a few inches long it developed into a marvellous electrical phenomenon, a roaring blaze, devouring the nitrogen of the atmosphere and measuring sixty or seventy feet (18.29-21.33m) across. Thus slowly, almost imperceptibly, possibility became accomplishment. All is not yet done, by any means, but to what a degree my efforts have been rewarded an idea may be gained from an inspection of Fig. 1, which, with its title, is self explanatory. The flame-like discharge visible is produced by the intense electrical oscillations which pass through the coil shown, and violently agitate the electrified molecules of the air. By this means a strong affinity is created between the two normally indifferent constituents of the atmosphere, and they combine readily, even if no further provision is made for intensifying the chemical action of the discharge. In the manufacture of nitrogen compounds by this method, of course, every possible means bearing upon the intensity of this action and the efficiency of the process will be taken advantage of, and, besides, special arrangements will be provided for the fixation of the compounds formed, as they are generally unstable, the nitrogen becoming again inert after a little lapse of time. Steam is a simple and effective means for fixing permanently the compounds. The result illustrated makes it practicable to oxidize the atmospheric nitrogen in unlimited quantities, merely by the use of cheap mechanical power and simple electrical apparatus. In this manner many compounds of nitrogen may be manufactured all over the world, at a small cost, and in any desired amount, and by means of these compounds the soil can be fertilized and its productiveness indefinitely increased. An abundance of cheap and healthful food, not artificial, but such as we are accustomed to, may thus be obtained. This new and inexhaustible source of food-supply will be of incalculable benefit to mankind, for it will enormously contribute to the increase of the human mass, and thus add immensely to human energy. Soon, I hope, the world will see the beginning of an industry which, in time to come, will, I believe, be in importance next to that of iron

This does not give away much of the process involved, it is more an overview of the entire Wardenclyffe project. Funny thing is that he points us to the next analogy which descibes the process in much more detail: The manufacture of iron:

ECONOMICAL PRODUCTION OF IRON BY A NEW PROCESS.
The industrial project, as I worked it out six years ago, contemplated the employment of the electric currents derived from the energy of a waterfall, not directly for smelting the ore, but for decomposing water for a preliminary step. To lessen the cost of the plant, I proposed to generate the currents in exceptionally cheap and simple dynamos, which I designed for this sole purpose. The hydrogen liberated in the electrolytic decomposition was to be burned or recombined with oxygen, not with that from which it was separated, but with that of the atmosphere. Thus very nearly the total electrical energy used up in the decomposition of the water would be recovered in the form of heat resulting from the recombination of the hydrogen. This heat was to be applied to the smelting of ore. The oxygen gained as a by-product of the decomposition of the water I intended to use for certain other industrial purposes, which would probably yield good financial returns, inasmuch as this is the cheapest way of obtaining this gas in large quantities. In any event, it could be employed to burn all kinds of refuse, cheap hydrocarbon, or coal of the most inferior quality which could not be burned in air or be otherwise utilized to advantage, and thus again a considerable amount of heat would be made available for the smelting of the ore. To increase the economy of the process I contemplated, furthermore, using an arrangement such that the hot metal and the products of combustion, coming out of the furnace, would give up their heat upon the cold ore going into the furnace, so that comparatively little of the heat energy would be lost in the smelting.

The final one is of course the most obvious one, the self-acting machine:

But was it not possible to realize a similar condition without necessarily going to a height? Conceive, for the sake of illustration, (a cylindrical)
enclosure T, as illustrated in diagram b, such that energy could not be transferred across it except through a channel or path O, and that, by some means or other, in this enclosure a medium were maintained which would have little energy, and that on the outer side of the same there would be the ordinary ambient medium with much energy. Under these assumptions the energy would flow through the path O, as indicated by the arrow, and might then be converted on its passage into some other form of energy.

Between these analogies Tesla explains details of the process, how to implement this in an electrical machine.
I think, all this will be enough for a bright mind among you to figure it out already. Tomorrow I will give you my analogy, which is much closer than these.

Meanwhile you can enjoy some of my fireworks here. Using earth resonance I have crossed the 1 MV line, though not in these videos. I'll attach a picture.
I also burned my rotary SG....

If no one kills me today, I will show you the secret of "free energy" tomorrow.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Forgot....

A little extra info that Tesla supplies, that will certainly help:
(talking about water)

This precious fluid, which daily infuses new life into us, is likewise the chief vehicle through which disease and death enter our bodies. The germs of destruction it conveys are enemies all the more terrible as they perform their fatal work unperceived.

Ernst.

[artoj]

Keep up the good work

Hi Ernst

Referring to Tesla and his discovery of making Nitrogen fertilizer:

A Well known technology that was used in Norway from 1905 until 1940, was the Birkeland and Eyde process.

"The process uses an electric arc to heat the air to above 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, at which temperature nitrogen and oxygen combine to form nitric oxide, whose chemical symbol is NO. It is a precursor of nitrogen fertilizer. The air is cooled rapidly, before the NO decomposes to less useful forms. As it cools, the NO picks up additional oxygen atoms, becoming NO/2or N/2O/4, collectively known as nitric oxides. One form of fertilizer that can be produced is nitric acid, whose chemical symbol is HNO/3, by bubbling it through water."


Also to your reference to Tesla and the use of Hydrogen from electrolysis as fuel for a furnace. Please read this wonderful article about Irving Langmuir and his time at GE:

Langmur – Excess Energy from Hydrogen | chavascience.com


I am reading your post with interest and looking forward to your personal revelation about Nicola Tesla and his well read and understood collected works. As I understand the only barrier that stands in the way of utilizing Teslas methods are the mind viruses created by the corporate electronics industry, as for term "Free Energy" that term was never used by Tesla or any electrical engineer from the 19th or 20th cent, it was coined by the Physicists who kept finding infinities popping out of their mathematical models. The self acting machine(robotics) is the closest we will have to what Tesla was aspiring to, when he wrote the article. As always Tesla made it clear "There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment."(July 10, 1937). So the energy he really talks about is his own discovery of Cosmic rays.

As he states here in an article about cosmic rays made by Dr. Werner Kolhoester, "This news item has interested me, as the results announced, if valid, would be another confirmation of my theory of cosmic rays advanced in 1896 according to which these radiations can only emanate from such vast and incandescent heavenly bodies as our sun, placed in an almost perfect vacuum and charged to tremendous potentials, sufficient for imparting to minute similarly electrified particles immense speeds and energies by electrostatic repulsion. I have proved this theory rigorously by experiments and deductions, but had I not done so, it would still be established as a scientific truth, for there is no force or effect produced in the universe which, even if amplified millions of times, could account for the cosmic phenomena discovered by me."(The Herald Tribune of January 20, 1935). He further states that Cosmic rays are primary and (EM)radiations are a secondary emission.

As I also have no misunderstanding on the term electron(New York Herald Tribune Aug. 22, 1937):

"It might be remarked parenthetically that Dr. Tesla does not accept the concept of the electron presented by physicists as an elementary unit and carrying a unit charge of electricity. He holds that the electron in a well-exhausted tube operated at high potential carries many multiples of this unit charge. The ignorance of this fact is responsible for many errors and fallacies in various scientific investigations."

Adding these clear statement by Tesla, he would still be considered heretical by current corporate science, so building a sparking Tesla coil without corporate components would only be a minor feat, but transmitting and receiving energy via his system(no sparking) would be much more interesting but currently considered illegal(FCC rulings). So where can we go now with all these wonderful discoveries about Tesla?, the same ideas I have worked with everyday for the last 30 years. These are the questions Eric Dollard has answered on many occasions and his reply is that it has no place in the "Modern Babylon", the system will not allow it.

I will conclude this in my simple words, there are no Tesla Secrets only Tesla illusions created by misinformants, all of his discoveries have been available to the public for about 120 years, in plain sight and read by tens of millions and it has created whole industries and careers from engineers to scientists. His work will continue to inspire mankind as he was one of the last of a breed of natural scientists that gave his being to the greater needs of mankind, not just personal gain.

Good luck on your work, regards Arto

[Xenophanes]

Not sure if I can post pictures yet but here goes.What you see here is the editorial page from the Feb 1919 issue of Electrical Experimenter,published by Hugo Gernsback,a close friend of Tesla.Incidentally,this issue also contains the first of a series of personal interviews of Tesla by Mr. Gernsback.You`ll note that this information goes a bit against the grain from what is out there,yet the source is ,IMHO,impeccable.What do you think?How much 'waste energy' is sent to ground daily by the Worlds industry alone?Could this explain why Tariel kapanadze`s device is tuned to 60hz and requires an earth ground with massive surface area(a car radiator)?Or am I just smoking too much pot? Thoughts?

[Ernst]

This is so unreal!

Must be some mind virus indeed....

I am getting sick having this name rubbed in my face again and again.
Your messiah, EPD, came to this thread a few pages ago proclaiming that Wardenclyffe was not generating electricity. Remember that?
Now, if you have such a great understanding of Tesla's work, how was he planning to distribute 10,000 HP (7,460 KW) from a 200 KW generator.
You guys have your minds locked up on something.
Wait until tomorrow and I will prove EPD wrong (again! for the 3rd time in this thread).

BTW, has he shown Earth-resonance? I mean not claimed, but actually shown?
I have.

Get a beer and wait until tomorrow.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

@ Xenophanes,
You posted while I was typing...

I think the article is partly right. Energy is easier transferred through the ground than through the air. That part I believe is true.

I have experimented a bit with Kapanadze's work too. I believe he has found a more efficient way to light incandescent bulbs, using HF HV. As far as I could see, his device is not producing energy.

Ernst.

[Gav]

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[Ernst]

Thanks Gav! Good to see that somebody cares about whether I live or die .

Anyway, among you are definitly those who are anxious to see what kind of excuse I will come up with for not giving you the secret of free energy tomorrow.
I have thought up such an excuse...
I will not tell you guys tomorrow...
because...
I will tell you today.

Here you have it.

The question that remains to be answered is how to translate this analogy to electricity.
You really do have all the info now, but I will prepare a part 2 anyway.

Enjoy!

Ernst.

[artoj]

Only encouragement

Hi Ernst

I am not sure what your beef is with Eric, it sounds very personal? Anyway, I only was trying to encourage your work, and you disparage my post??

While you set an interesting issue with 10,000 Hp , here is a simple calculation of what sort of energy is in a resonant coil:

Here are the basic parameters(based on one of Teslas own coils):

R = 0.424 ohms
L = 00934 henry
C = 1466 pF
V = 58 volts RMS

The resonant frequency
F = 1/(2xpixsqr(LxC)) = 43 Khz

The maximum amperage peak
I = Vs/R = 136.66 amps max

The root mean squared amperage
Irms = I x sqrt(2) = 96.638 amps RMS

The VA generator apparent power input required
VA = V x Irms = 5605 watts VA Rms

The inductive reactance
XL= 2xpixLxF = 2524.53 ohms

The capacitive reactance
XC= 1/(2xpixCxF) = 2524.53 ohms

The Quality of the Coil
Q = XL / R = 5948.65

The Voltage magnification of the coil
VL= XL x I = Q x V = 345022 volts RMS

The potential rise inside the Capacitor
VC= XC x I = 345022 volts RMS

Energy circulating in the Coil and the Capacitor
WL=1/2 x L x Irms^2 = 174.5 joules max
WC=1/2 x C x VC^2 = 174.5 joules max

The Resonant Condition
XL = XC
VL = VC
WL = WC

As you can see all the energy is continuously oscillating moving between the coil and the capacitor, or between the magnetic component of electricity and the electrostatic component of electricity. This energy can be expressed as watts and horse power as Tesla has done, thus describing the massive movement of energy per second, allowing the reader to sense that it is a very powerful oscillator.


time = 1/frequency = 0.000023254 seconds

Watts = joules / time

= 174.5 / 0.000023254

= 7504699 watts

= 10064 HP

I hope this helps your readers, Regards Arto

[Ernst]

I have said it before, and I will say it again (for the last time): I have no issue whatsoever with EPD, but I must admit that I am not half as impressed by his work as most people here seem to be. Also I firmly believe that he is not at all the "Tesla expert" that people want to make him. Eric is doing his own thing, or better was doing his own thing (as I have not seen much recent work from him) which may be based on Tesla's work but is certainly not the same. Eric says, on a number of occasions, "do not read Tesla's work, read mine" (or words to that extend). If you genuinly want to learn from Tesla, there is only one source that you should get your info from, and that is not Eric P. Dollard.
That is all I have to say about Eric. But his followers, who make him into a real messiah, they are a real pain in,... well somewhere down there. The only song they sing is "Ok, now go and read EPD". They do not think for themselves, they do not do any theoretical research on Tesla's work, they have their minds locked up so that even when the truth is shown to them in ways that even a child can understand, they will fail to see it and continue their chant "Heil Eric, read Eric."
Unlock those minds, for crying out loud! Free yourself! Start thinking, start seeing reality!

As for Tesla's work: DO NOT READ OTHER PEOPLES INTERPRETATIONS (including my own), before you have done your own research on Tesla's work, and you have formed your own opinion. Use interpretations by others ONLY to enrich your own understanding which is based on Tesla's own words. In any other way you will become a victim of the tons of disinfo on the web.

About your post then, artoj;
I am trying to show how the article is describing the MT using analogies. Then you come along with a literal interpretation, pointing people away from what I am trying to show. Then you even come up with "his well read and understood collected works", while I am showing a fact that people have missed for more than 110 years. People are NOT reading his work, they are reading other peoples interpretations of his work and then maybe some of them verify if Tesla really wrote what those people said. But then it is to late, because they are looking to find a confirmation of what the others have said INSTEAD OF trying to figure out for yourself what Tesla would have meant.
Tesla's work is NOT well read and certainly not well understood. If it were, then why isn't it replicated? Why has no one lit a lightbulb at say a 400 miles distance? Why do I believe I am the first to have copied his "Earth resonance"? Why does nobody understand how Tesla has determined the Sun's electrical potential, or the Earth's? Is there anyone that you know of who has copied the "rotating brush"?
How on Earth can you say that his work is well understood?

There are no Tesla Secrets only Tesla illusions created by misinformants.

This is one of the most twisted truths that I have come along. The truth part of it is to be found here

all of his discoveries have been available to the public for about 120 years, in plain sight

Only it is not "all" of his discoveries.
Take his MT, for example. Some believe his patent 1,119,732 is decribing it. The ONLY reason being that it looks like Wardenclyffe. NONE of Tesla's own words support this idea.
It is as ridiculous as saying "it is a system made of coils, so that must be it". Read the "Rare Notes" and you will find an essential difference. And we can be sure that those do describe Wardenclyffe and we can be sure that Wardenclyffe was a MT. So these "Rare Notes" do describe a MT. This we can be sure of. And, being sure of this, we can also be sure that the patent 1,119,732 DOES NOT.
And this is just one example of how well Tesla's work is understood.
There are many such examples.
People are just copying what they hear from the one who shouts the loudest. But the louder the voice, the emptier the head.

Read Tesla's words:
The Wardenclyffe tower would emit a wave with a power of 10 million HP. That is the resonant energy. Energy that is bouncing up and down, while 10,000 HP are added to cover the losses. 10,000 HP is the energy that the tower would distribute.
Not the power it would set in motion.
From this you can calculate that Tesla expected the losses to be 0.1% or "a small fraction of one percent" in his own words.
This info you can find
in 1904-03-05: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires

The first of these central plants would have been already completed had it not been for unforeseen delays which, fortunately, have nothing to do with its purely technical features. But this loss of time, while vexatious, may, after all, prove to be a blessing in disguise. The best design of which I know has been adopted, and the transmitter will emit a wave complex of total maximum activity of ten million horse-power, one per cent. of which is amply sufficient to "girdle the globe." This enormous rate of energy delivery, approximately twice that of the combined falls of Niagara, is obtainable only by the use of certain artifices, which I shall make known in due course.

and in 1905-01-07: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires as a Means for
Furthering Peace

That electrical energy can be economically transmitted without wires to any terrestrial distance, I have unmistakably established in numerous observations, experiments and measurements, qualitative and quantitative. These have demonstrated that is practicable to distribute power from a central plant in unlimited amounts, with a loss not exceeding a small fraction of one per cent, in the transmission, even to the greatest distance, twelve thousand miles—to the opposite end of the globe.

and another example from the same article:

As stated in a recent article (Electrical World and Engineer, March 5, 1904), I have been since some time at work on designs of a power plant which is to transmit ten thousand horse-power without wires. The energy is to be collected all over the earth at many places and in varying amounts.

Disinfo has certainly got a firm grip on some minds.

Ernst.

[stupify12]

No one have ever tried the Rotating Disruptor/Brush. Period!

Yes. Indeed people dont read Tesla's work and build the same as Tesla's instructions. I would be glad to see of your works and interpretations of our very own Master Nikola Tesla.

Read and understand only the work and writings of Nikola Tesla in that way you'll understand Ersnt and Tesla's analogy of Electricity as Water pretty much the same on me that Electricity is fluid like particle=Water analogy.


Stup

I have said it before, and I will say it again (for the last time): I have no issue whatsoever with EPD, but I must admit that I am not half as impressed by his work as most people here seem to be. Also I firmly believe that he is not at all the "Tesla expert" that people want to make him. Eric is doing his own thing, or better was doing his own thing (as I have not seen much recent work from him) which may be based on Tesla's work but is certainly not the same. Eric says, on a number of occasions, "do not read Tesla's work, read mine" (or words to that extend). If you genuinly want to learn from Tesla, there is only one source that you should get your info from, and that is not Eric P. Dollard.
That is all I have to say about Eric. But his followers, who make him into a real messiah, they are a real pain in,... well somewhere down there. The only song they sing is "Ok, now go and read EPD". They do not think for themselves, they do not do any theoretical research on Tesla's work, they have their minds locked up so that even when the truth is shown to them in ways that even a child can understand, they will fail to see it and continue their chant "Heil Eric, read Eric."
Unlock those minds, for crying out loud! Free yourself! Start thinking, start seeing reality!

As for Tesla's work: DO NOT READ OTHER PEOPLES INTERPRETATIONS (including my own), before you have done your own research on Tesla's work, and you have formed your own opinion. Use interpretations by others ONLY to enrich your own understanding which is based on Tesla's own words. In any other way you will become a victim of the tons of disinfo on the web.

About your post then, artoj;
I am trying to show how the article is describing the MT using analogies. Then you come along with a literal interpretation, pointing people away from what I am trying to show. Then you even come up with "his well read and understood collected works", while I am showing a fact that people have missed for more than 110 years. People are NOT reading his work, they are reading other peoples interpretations of his work and then maybe some of them verify if Tesla really wrote what those people said. But then it is to late, because they are looking to find a confirmation of what the others have said INSTEAD OF trying to figure out for yourself what Tesla would have meant.
Tesla's work is NOT well read and certainly not well understood. If it were, then why isn't it replicated? Why has no one lit a lightbulb at say a 400 miles distance? Why do I believe I am the first to have copied his "Earth resonance"? Why does nobody understand how Tesla has determined the Sun's electrical potential, or the Earth's? Is there anyone that you know of who has copied the "rotating brush"?
How on Earth can you say that his work is well understood?

This is one of the most twisted truths that I have come along. The truth part of it is to be found here

Only it is not "all" of his discoveries.
Take his MT, for example. Some believe his patent 1,119,732 is decribing it. The ONLY reason being that it looks like Wardenclyffe. NONE of Tesla's own words support this idea.
It is as ridiculous as saying "it is a system made of coils, so that must be it". Read the "Rare Notes" and you will find an essential difference. And we can be sure that those do describe Wardenclyffe and we can be sure that Wardenclyffe was a MT. So these "Rare Notes" do describe a MT. This we can be sure of. And, being sure of this, we can also be sure that the patent 1,119,732 DOES NOT.
And this is just one example of how well Tesla's work is understood.
There are many such examples.
People are just copying what they hear from the one who shouts the loudest. But the louder the voice, the emptier the head.

Read Tesla's words:
The Wardenclyffe tower would emit a wave with a power of 10 million HP. That is the resonant energy. Energy that is bouncing up and down, while 10,000 HP are added to cover the losses. 10,000 HP is the energy that the tower would distribute.
Not the power it would set in motion.
From this you can calculate that Tesla expected the losses to be 0.1% or "a small fraction of one percent" in his own words.
This info you can find
in 1904-03-05: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires

and in 1905-01-07: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires as a Means for
Furthering Peace

and another example from the same article:


Disinfo has certainly got a firm grip on some minds.

Ernst.