Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[RAMSET]

Some additional exposure

Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent

Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent

thx
Chet

[Ernst]

GREAT!
Thanks RAMSET, that is very much appreciated!
Perhaps I can speed up things a bit, now.

Here's part 3.

BTW bbem, you will see that you do have some things right.

Boguslaw, as I said before in this thread, I too changed to a rotary SG in order to gain some control here. I know Tesla did not like the SG and for good reason, but the question to which I still have not found an answer is "Did he find a good alternative?"
In all documents that I have on the subject, he was planning to use a (controlled) SG in Wardenclyffe.
I believe the best 'modern' replacement would be a thyratron?

Ernst.

[bbem]

Thank you Ernst,

Looking at the Rare Notes pictures I thought the energy gain (force) would come from the (kinetic) energy gained by Elektrons hopping from sphere to sphere (corona) as explained by Prof. Eue Jin Jeong:
Physics of Free Energy Device, Revised - YouTube
(And of course the work and patents of Paul&Alexandra Correa)

Thank you for the articles and patents.
I will read the article you pointed out.

Bert

[PhysicsProf]

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[PhysicsProf]

Thanks, Boguslaw!

This thread has been a bit quiet, but I have been quite busy, and I have a little surprise for you folks.
I can tell you now with 100% certainty that the 1900 CM artice contains a full and detailed description of the Magnifying Transmitter and how it is producing power.
I have verified the principles and although some sound odd, it absolutely does work.
I can hardly wait to show you and the entire world how it is done but the guy sponsoring my experiments asked me to file a patent first. I am trying to get that done this week, then, after that has been settled I would like to get the info out and all over the world in the shortest possible time.
Why are we filing a patent? For one reason only: So that no one else can claim my work.
The info will be freely available to anyone.

If anyone has suggestions on how to proceed from here, please let me (+ sponsor = us) know.

Ernst.

Ernst,
Congratulations and I wish you the all the best success!

I attended ICCF-18 ten days ago, and a patent worker spoke on patents. I could dig up his patent information if you need it == he talked about getting patents on alternative-energy devices (e.g., cold fusion devices).

A few things came out:
1. The patent office is reluctant/slow to give patents in alt-energy for some reason. One patent took about four years; but if yours is mainly to APPLY for a patent, this may not be a concern.

2. Talking publicly about one's idea and writing about it, he said, is sufficient to prevent someone from patenting it away from the true inventor.
He talked about writing it up, binding into a book, then donating this book to a library in Uruguay.. as a protection. Or in one's own country, but publicly available in a foreign country works also, he said -- as does writing it up on the internet.

3. One caution: the USPTO recently had a patent application in the "cold fusion" area. They came back to the inventor (M. Swartz) with a "SECURITY ORDER', that the patent might contain information vital to national security, and therefore he could not even TALK about it to anyone. OUCH! In this case, he said, there was a protest and the USPTO reviewed it and after FOUR MONTHS, they lifted the Security Order. So I'm a bit concerned that you've applied for a patent already... if you get one of these letters, I guess all you can say is "ouch!" - but if you have put the information out there already, that is good and may help avoid such a dead-end scenario.
Hope that doesn't happen!

When I invented my little solar funnel cooker twenty+ years ago, we filed a patent application -- did not pursue the patent -- much as you have done and for the purpose of making sure the invention was freely available around the world. It worked. Brief description at the bottom of my homepage:
Dr. Steven E. Jones

This little solar cooker is now produced around the world!
I might have asked that producers in the developed countries provide me with a small royalty (say 4%). I wish I had done that actually, a little royalty income right now would be helpful. I would not ask folks in Kenya or Bolivia or Haiti (for example) where this has gone, to provide a royalty.

[boguslaw]

GREAT!
Thanks RAMSET, that is very much appreciated!
Perhaps I can speed up things a bit, now.

Here's part 3.

BTW bbem, you will see that you do have some things right.

Boguslaw, as I said before in this thread, I too changed to a rotary SG in order to gain some control here. I know Tesla did not like the SG and for good reason, but the question to which I still have not found an answer is "Did he find a good alternative?"
In all documents that I have on the subject, he was planning to use a (controlled) SG in Wardenclyffe.
I believe the best 'modern' replacement would be a thyratron?

Ernst.

Ernst

I think access to them is restricted based on "national security" enforcement. Hopefully we don't need them for small power output...

[iflewmyown]

On ebay usa
thyratron | eBay

230 results for thyratron starting at $1.05
Garry

[logos]

thank you SOO much fror the collection of tesla articles and patents

[iflewmyown]

On page 58 of this book,
http://ia700603.us.archive.org/10/it...peri05gern.pdf
There is shown a spark gap that I have not seen before. Two huge brass rods oppose each other and are grooved for cooling. My gaps are good until one side heats enough that burnt material forms a new point closer to the opposite point or ball and then everything changes. This design may run longer.
Garry

[TeslaSecrets]

I see this forum continues and the discussion is quite good.

I would agree completely Ernst, movement is key to understanding electricity as Tesla did. Indeed, Tesla discusses the importance of understanding Van DaGraff type static electrical generators in more detail and that such Van DaGraff systems are destined for higher purposes than what we utilize them for today. A key point of such systems being they develop their extremely high voltages, utilizing PHYSICAL MOVEMENT of the charges!

Can we do an "electronic" or "solid state" version of a Van DaGraff generator?

Absolutely. However, you will not find such a concept widely disseminated.

You should likewise now see the connection between movement of charge and movement of heat, as in the Oxygen Liquefaction process Tesla saw as confirmation for the reality of his "Magnification" methods.

Thanks Ernst for the links to those large collections of Tesla Patents and Articles. Anyone serious about understanding Tesla will greatly appreciate those resources to get the information right from the source.

I would like to add a bit more food for thought about "movement".

Movement can be considered a "field of force" in its own right, as much as we consider "electrical fields" or "magnetic fields". Lorentz proved this. Such a "field of force" can be, for all purposes, be called "ether". There is no case in which electric fields nor magnetic fields, are free from movement. A static field on Earth, is still rotating with the Earth, around the Sun and through the Galaxy, is it not? In fact, few people realize, electromagnetic fields, are NOT relative. Basically, if it stops moving, it ceases to exist.

[Ernst]

On the Thyratrons...
I once asked some info from a Chinese company manufacturing these. They did not give me the info I requested. Instead I got a huge questionaire: Who am I, where & when was I born, who are my parents, who am I working for, where do I live, passport no. etc. etc....
I wrote them back "You GOT to be kidding me!".
And that was the end of that.
You can get them on ebay, that is true. But... you will need a good one, a hydrogen filled one and those prices start at about 500 U$D. And even then in terms of switching power and speed, the good ol' SG outperforms them. The only advantage they offer is in more precise control.

On the spark gap....
Tesla suggested to use aluminium, which conducts both electricity and heat very well. So I have been using Al-electrodes in my SG's. And at about 100W they are excellent.
But with such power I could not get Earth resonance. With 800W I can, so between these values there will be some thresshold value. Unfortunately, with 800W my Al-electrodes burn and I have not yet found a good replacement. The TIG-welding electrodes are ok-ish, for short bursts... I need something better.
BTW. I noticed that only the negative electrode gets hot, so using AC might help to spread the heat over both electrodes.

On the Tesla articles...
As I said it took me a looooooong time to find quality stuff. And I have some more scans that are not included in those files. If every Tesla fan has to put in so much efford then a lot of time is simply wasted. If we could combine our efford, complete these files and put them somewhere where everyone can find them. That would help a lot of people, who will in turn become more productive and so, help us in return.

Great to see that people start thinking in (what I believe to be) the right direction!
Thanks for that!

Ernst.

[thx1138]

RE Spark Gaps

A semiconductor is defined simply as a material which conducts electricity under certain conditions and is an insulator under other conditions.

Spark gaps were the diodes of Tesla's day, the gas (air or whatever was used) in the gap being the semiconductor. The gap conducts under certain conditions and is an insulator under other conditions.

One can look at the gap in an arc light in the same manner only that the conduction is continuous rather than a momentary spark. Lower the power sufficiently, the gap quits conducting and the arc is extiquished.

There is one interesting feature of a spark gap fed by discharging a capacitor and that is that it can be done in a totally unidirectional manner whereas a modern semiconductor diode cannot - it will always have some reverse leakage. Diode vacuum tubes can be operated this way also.

A triode vacuum tube is nothing more than a triggered vacuum tube diode, i.e. a transistor. Tesla and others also experimented back in their day with triggered spark gaps using a third electrode but got better results with quenched spark gaps because they could get faster fall times with quenching.

Because most modern day electronics focus on low power consumption, small size, and so portability, the modern solid state semiconductors are not amenable to power production and control. There are a few devices which are but they are not engineered to power a home or anything larger. IMO, that is where a lot of people go wrong in alternative energy - substituting modern solid state devices into circuits that rely on that unidirectional property of the other devices.

The spark gaps and vacuum tubes have their place but as everyone notes they are finicky and wear out rather rapidly.

Have downloaded Ernst's files and will look at them later. Sounds interesting. I have a different take on Wardenclyffe than what I've seen in this thread but I'm open to changing my mind.

[stupify12]

Spark Gap is for Diagram Simplicity

Tesla always point out the Controller of his Electrical Oscillator which is a Rotating Disruptor/Make and Break Device also known as Spark Gap. Not the spark gap you are talking guys. It doesnt even resembles Tesla Make and Break Coil and Condenser Shorting ..

Hint. How to separate the charges is Putting it on a Condenser. Do you think charges in Condenser are not separated? As for running down the water= Disruptive Discharge of the Potential you store on the Condenser to the PIPES=COIL you are now moving the charges.

Please , stop hanging on the "sparkgap concept" . It's jsut a crude inefficient device, the better one is rotary spark gap but you missed the point !
Read Tesla, he POINTED exactly how people are fooled by many interrupter patents...

[Ernst]

Here's part 4 which completes the main principle.

Some more bits and pieces will follow, but you'll have to exercise some patience.

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Ouch!
Forgot to reply to this one.

Ernst,
Congratulations and I wish you the all the best success!

I attended ICCF-18 ten days ago, and a patent worker spoke on patents. I could dig up his patent information if you need it == he talked about getting patents on alternative-energy devices (e.g., cold fusion devices).

A few things came out:
1. The patent office is reluctant/slow to give patents in alt-energy for some reason. One patent took about four years; but if yours is mainly to APPLY for a patent, this may not be a concern.

2. Talking publicly about one's idea and writing about it, he said, is sufficient to prevent someone from patenting it away from the true inventor.
He talked about writing it up, binding into a book, then donating this book to a library in Uruguay.. as a protection. Or in one's own country, but publicly available in a foreign country works also, he said -- as does writing it up on the internet.

3. One caution: the USPTO recently had a patent application in the "cold fusion" area. They came back to the inventor (M. Swartz) with a "SECURITY ORDER', that the patent might contain information vital to national security, and therefore he could not even TALK about it to anyone. OUCH! In this case, he said, there was a protest and the USPTO reviewed it and after FOUR MONTHS, they lifted the Security Order. So I'm a bit concerned that you've applied for a patent already... if you get one of these letters, I guess all you can say is "ouch!" - but if you have put the information out there already, that is good and may help avoid such a dead-end scenario.
Hope that doesn't happen!

When I invented my little solar funnel cooker twenty+ years ago, we filed a patent application -- did not pursue the patent -- much as you have done and for the purpose of making sure the invention was freely available around the world. It worked. Brief description at the bottom of my homepage:
Dr. Steven E. Jones

This little solar cooker is now produced around the world!
I might have asked that producers in the developed countries provide me with a small royalty (say 4%). I wish I had done that actually, a little royalty income right now would be helpful. I would not ask folks in Kenya or Bolivia or Haiti (for example) where this has gone, to provide a royalty.

The good thing is. I am not subject to US law. And there are another few good things.
As I said before, I am lucky in more than one ways.
About the points you make...
We have thought about #1 too and applied for a patent in a country that does these things relatively quickly. There may be some delay of course, and there probably will be, but that does not really bother us. As said before, the patent is mainly to prevent others from aquiring the right to withhold this from ... erhm.. from us.
But we are facing a huge controlling power with tons of $$$. They can file a patent tomorrow and pre-date it to 4 years ago. They have the money and the power to do this.
They can draw up laws to prevent us from sticking metal rods in the Earth, if they want.
They have power to win in any case.
But we have more mass.
And that is where your point 2 comes in. It was my intention to put the whole idea out on the internet a.s.a.p. but my sponsor asked me to not rush things. And that is probably a wiser thing. On the other hand, as long as this info stays with a few people, these people are vulnerable. This too must be prevented.
Anyway.... the way you see it unfold now is the way we thought would be best.
As from today people are bound to understand the system very soon and with that our worries are over.

I will try your funnel someday.

Ernst.