Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[TeslaSecrets]

@ indio007

I noticed no one really replied to what your suggesting, so please allow me to tie things together a bit for you.

Yes, what your describing in those experiments is absolutely related to the discussion here, although I would suggest most are not familiar with the concepts of evanescent photons and tunneling. I will be the first to admit, these concepts are quite technical to me as well, but I have discovered some connections and an explanation which is relevant to your input to this forum.

The concepts of the Lorentz force of electromagnetic waves, the longitudinal component of electromagnetic waves, the "near field", evanescent photons and quantum tunneling, are in reality all different names and explanations for the SAME effect. It is the multiple names for a similar effect which leads to so much argument and confusion on this subject.

Typical of modern science we have divided and separated and given many names for a single process or concept and now it is difficult to see and grasp the connection and similarities. I find you can very easily substitute any of the above names, to much more readily grasp what all these various explanations are saying.

Energy exists in forms other than electric field and magnetic field, there is a "field of force" as well, which has many different names at present( as explained above ), which has not been readily utilized in industrial, or power, or propulsion today.

This "field of force" behaves much differently than the electric or magnetic fields. Stress / energy in this "field of force" can be transferred > C. For example:

Consider a completely enclosed wood box, completely filled with marbles, no room for any more marbles. Now, consider two marble sized holes in the sides of this box, located anywhere on it. If we push a marble into the box through one of the holes, a marble must come out the other hole, no matter its location relative to the first hole. ( of course this requires no friction between marbles etc etc ). The transfer of energy can be considered effectively instantaneous from one location to another. As fast as we push a marble in one hole, one comes out the other hole. The location of the holes, distance between the holes, and the size of the box is all irrelevant in this model. When you push a marble into the box, its displacement is instantaneously transfered to the only location the stress can be relieved, the other hole.

Call this what you will, tunneling, longitudinal propagation, etc etc the point is the concept is real and the example is valid.

[Vinyasi]

Eric's response to my fear of the danger of Wireless Transmission...

Eric's response to this post is posted here at the forum:
http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-d...tml#post245939

I would have to say that we don't entirely give full credit where credit is due...

Tesla was more than a towering genius in his field. He had a heart of gold filled with unselfish virtue.

Yeah, Tesla did mismanage the money given him by JP Morgan by not delivering Wardenclyffe to JP Morgan as Tesla had promised -- but for good reason beyond JP Morgan's capacity to envision: the ability of anyone to walk away from a costly project even if the recognition of its inherent danger is realized only after much of this expensive funding has already been spent!

If we claim that Tesla's System of Wireless Power was destroyed by JP Morgan pulling Tesla's funds out from under Tesla, and that RCA reinvented a new policy of what type of radio transmission was to be permitted post 1920, then maybe we have overlooked another factor which precedes these two, namely...

A vacuum of skillfulness was created by Tesla himself when *he* removed himself -- voluntarily and without anyone else's brute force submission -- from the business of transmission of wireless power and wireless communications when he realized that the system he envisioned -- when finally put into place -- would leave a legacy of future generations to inherit which would put the Earth -- as an entire planet -- in jeopardy of destruction. To wit...

A TV program which aired in the year 2000 on PBS, called: "Tesla - Master of Lightening", made light of a quote attributed to Tesla in which he jokingly admitted (with a certain sense of wanton and cavalier abandonment) to his ability of wireless transmission of power being capable of splitting the Earth. The TV program immediately glossed over this admission to focus instead on JP Morgan's influence in pulling the financial plug out of Tesla's undertaking making Tesla *allegedly* an unhappy man gradually degrading (over the subsequent years) into delusional phobias and daffy thinking for an old croner turning into a tomato in his old age. I hold, that, this is far from true.

Tesla realized the potential for harm that his program for wireless transmission of power had on the Earth once Tesla's oversight was terminated by his own death. He couldn't insure that the system -- as flawless as it was in its inherent design -- was nonetheless flawed in its execution without any fail-safe designs built-in to prevent mismanagement by anyone ignorant of the consequences, namely: planetary destruction. Considering the inherent nature of pumping energy into the Earth at the Earth's specific frequency of resonance, and doing so in a way convergent with an increase of power gained with each pulsation, contrary methods could also be devised to do the opposite: instead of taking advantage of consonance, dissonance could be the theme leading to the fracturing of the planet. This fragmentation is all too relevant considering the hollowness of the Earth similar to the dimensional proportion of an analogous egg shell. If the wavelength of the wireless impulses fail to match the dimension of the Earth, or if they do match but are pulsed in a dissonant fashion out of phase with each other (for example, the "devil's tone" or "tritone" of the square root of two -- in music theory), then fragmenting the planet into another asteroid belt (this time much closer to the Sun then the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter) is very real and a grave risk to undertake without considerable pause to reflect on these risky consequences. For all we know, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter may be a prime example of an already failed attempt at implementing this technology without considerable thought given to its relevant consequences.

I think Tesla did not die destitute against market forces victorious over his ruin. I think his virtue of putting us in the dark by dismantling Wardenclyffe -- voluntarily of his own accord -- made all the other historical footnotes (which came after him) minor and trivial by comparison (such as: JP Morgan and RCA).

We have been in darkness over this wireless transmission of power, because Tesla had the light and snuffed it out himself.

We should be thankful that he had the courage to recognize that we are not yet ready for unifying the planet under a banner of technological convenience requiring "safety first" as its initial premise, for we have yet to answer the question which we so ardently refuse to ask: "How would we -- in this present age -- insure that our revival of Tesla's wireless system would be used only for the good of everyone, and never become mismanaged resulting in planetary suicide?"

No one knows the answer to this question, nor how to implement it, do we? Because no one knows, or else cares not to so boldly admit (out of step with mainstream thought) that the Earth is as hollow as Tesla and Eric Dollard both agree?

Vinyasi

[indio007]

@ indio007

I noticed no one really replied to what your suggesting, so please allow me to tie things together a bit for you.

Yes, what your describing in those experiments is absolutely related to the discussion here, although I would suggest most are not familiar with the concepts of evanescent photons and tunneling. I will be the first to admit, these concepts are quite technical to me as well, but I have discovered some connections and an explanation which is relevant to your input to this forum.

The concepts of the Lorentz force of electromagnetic waves, the longitudinal component of electromagnetic waves, the "near field", evanescent photons and quantum tunneling, are in reality all different names and explanations for the SAME effect. It is the multiple names for a similar effect which leads to so much argument and confusion on this subject.

Typical of modern science we have divided and separated and given many names for a single process or concept and now it is difficult to see and grasp the connection and similarities. I find you can very easily substitute any of the above names, to much more readily grasp what all these various explanations are saying.

Energy exists in forms other than electric field and magnetic field, there is a "field of force" as well, which has many different names at present( as explained above ), which has not been readily utilized in industrial, or power, or propulsion today.

This "field of force" behaves much differently than the electric or magnetic fields. Stress / energy in this "field of force" can be transferred > C. For example:

Consider a completely enclosed wood box, completely filled with marbles, no room for any more marbles. Now, consider two marble sized holes in the sides of this box, located anywhere on it. If we push a marble into the box through one of the holes, a marble must come out the other hole, no matter its location relative to the first hole. ( of course this requires no friction between marbles etc etc ). The transfer of energy can be considered effectively instantaneous from one location to another. As fast as we push a marble in one hole, one comes out the other hole. The location of the holes, distance between the holes, and the size of the box is all irrelevant in this model. When you push a marble into the box, its displacement is instantaneously transfered to the only location the stress can be relieved, the other hole.

Call this what you will, tunneling, longitudinal propagation, etc etc the point is the concept is real and the example is valid.

Sorry it took so long to answer.

First your analogy with the marbles is very good.
One caveat though. There are 2 boxes of marbles both with holes and a distance gap in between. You push a marble in one box and a marble comes out of the other box.
There is some sort of coupling of the boxes.

[TeslaSecrets]

@ indio007

I do not follow this forum as regularly as I used to, so do not apologize for any delayed response.

In reply to your caveat:
Nope, there is only ever one box. Especially when dealing with the longitudinal component, it is a scalar, a universal, all pervasive one I would add.

The box in the example, is what is happening across the gap. Not what is occurring before or after the gap. Just invert your perspective / caveat.

If we have a gap without tightly packed marbles, then we are dealing again with normal EM waves limited to C. It is the motion of the marbles, which represents the normal electromagnetic waves. The transfer through the box, is itself instantaneous, the only limiting factor is the speed at which a marble is pushed into the box, which would be C.
This marble box example I believe also applies to the "spooky action at a distance" problem, where again the distance is meaningless, but this is off topic.
The confusion exists because no one ever grasps the box(Universe) is full of marbles
And no, I assure you all, my head is not what is full of marbles.

This other forum discussion, discusses Tesla Coils, defines evanescent photons and the near field, putting it all together in one discussion and is very good.

What are evanescent waves?

I think too the following example has some relevance here:

We can have waves on the surface of a pond, traveling across the surface, various amplitudes and frequencies, as an example of standard electromagnetic waves. Then we can consider raising and lowering the entire surface of the pond up and down, at some frequency. The latter is your scalar or static wave with no direction, no radiation, a longitudinal component of a different character entirely.

We can however, still have cases where one is transmuted into the other, and vice versa, simple trigonometry.

[indio007]

@TeslasSecrets

What has really intrigued me lately is the recently discovered tunneling across a vacuum gap by sound waves/thermal radiation/phonons. There is no so-called medium to travel across.

This phenomena has been deemed impossible for a 100 years.

This is rock solid proof that there is significant area of physics which is unknown/unexplored.

[thx1138]

@TeslasSecrets

What has really intrigued me lately is the recently discovered tunneling across a vacuum gap by sound waves/thermal radiation/phonons. There is no so-called medium to travel across.

This phenomena has been deemed impossible for a 100 years.

This is rock solid proof that there is significant area of physics which is unknown/unexplored.

Or it may actually be in use today but hidden. I've been wondering about this for some time.

I have some rural property and use a cell phone out there since I'm not out there enough to justify the expense of a land line.

I use a metal covered storage shed adapted for use as a place to get in out of inclement weather. The shed has a wooden frame and floor but the entire exterior other than the floor is covered with a metal (aluminum I think) skin. The wood frame and floor is attached to two 4" X 6" wooden skids that sit on top of concrete blocks, the top of the floor being about 12" above the surface of the ground.

When cell phones first came out I had an analog phone and I had to put an antenna on the outside and run the antenna cable inside and attach it to the phone to use it when inside the shed.

But when the network switched over to a digital system, the new digital phone had no connection for an antenna so I thought I was out of luck. I found, however, that I can use the cell phone inside the metal skinned shed with the door closed. I actually get 2 to 3 bars on the radio power meter and this is only with the antenna inside the phone.

Can anyone explain that to me? I pretty ignorant about radio wave propagation.

I have another analogy different than the marbles in the box: two people hold a wire with a little slack in it and one person flips his end of the wire up and down. They can watch the wave travel down the rope to the second person. Now pull the slack out of the rope so there is no slack. Now one person pulls the wire and the end of the wire in the other person's hand instantaneously moves. There is no wave traveling down the wire.

[thx1138]

RE evanescent waves

I posted this in another thread but is relevant here. In the other thread I was looking for a citation to Tesla's 3,6, and 9 statement that is shown all over the internet.

"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6, and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."

I've come to believe that it is just a piece of disinformation used to discredit Tesla, the man, since his enemies couldn't discredit his work they produced this bit to make him seem to be talking gibberish. That's why I'm looking for the context. Given the context, it won't be gibberish.

On the other hand, if he did say it, then it may relate to:
3
"An evanescent wave is a near-field wave with an intensity that exhibits exponential decay without absorption as a function of the distance from the boundary at which the wave was formed. Evanescent waves are a general property of wave-equations, and can in principle occur in any context to which a wave-equation applies. They are formed at the boundary between two media with different wave motion properties, and are most intense within one third of a wavelength from the surface of formation. In particular, evanescent waves can occur in the contexts of optics and other forms of electromagnetic radiation, acoustics*, quantum mechanics, and "waves on strings"."

*Tesla said that the electricity he was dealing with was similar to sound waves which we now call longitudinal waves.

6
"The rate at which the field strength drops off from the source depends on the distance between the source and antenna. In addition, this distance also determines whether the field created is magnetic or electric. When the distance is electrically "close" to the loop source, the magnetic field falls off as the square of the distance. When the distance is electrically "far", we observe an electromagnetic plane wave. This plane wave falls off inversely with increasing distance. The point where the electric and magnetic field vectors cross occurs at approximately one-sixth of a wavelength(wave length / 2Pi)

And finally 9 = 3 + 6. Both topics occurring in the near field and collected there (I don't know how) builds the strength of longitudinal waves while minimizing radiated energy which is exactly what Tesla said to do to transmit without conductors and with very low losses. Also related is this quote from what has become known as the Wardencliffe patent (US 1,119,732 - Apparatus For Transmitting Electrical Energy): "The coil B is wound on a frame or drum D' of insulating material, with its turns close together. I have discovered that when so wound the effect of the small radius of curvature of the wire itself is overcome and the coil behaves as a conductor of large radius of curvature, corresponding to that of the drum." It's near the top in the right column on page 2. "...the boundary between two media..." from above on evanescent waves. It's also interesting to note that both phenomena are related to wireless energy transfer.

[Gav]

im sure the sphere that "Indio007" showed was Teslas antenna it was how Tesla generated his energy from the atmosphere this "ball" is a part of the system that ran his pancake coil , which is how he made his own energy, he didn't use mains for his workshop like some would like everyone to believe my own (small scale) tests prove that he was fully capable of generating enough energy to run his coils, Tesla was a genious and some how knew exactly how EVERYTHING worked

[Gav]

long live Nikola Tesla, lest we forget!
everyone should know who this man was, he invented our way of life as we know it

[Gav]

pancake coil or Teslas ossilator = a mass entering 2 opposing coils
a mass around the outer of the coil which continues into the centre, this joins to another coil from the centre to the outside and joining to a coil which continues back to the centre Teslas most marvellous creation ever his ossilator
his mass is thicker wire stepping down into thinner wire, ALL WIRES are exactly the same length, mass is thicker wire stepping down and all inner coils are exactly the same thickness, but still, all wires are the same length!! it is all about time travelled, or energy travelled,

[indio007]

im sure the sphere that "Indio007" showed was Teslas antenna it was how Tesla generated his energy from the atmosphere this "ball" is a part of the system that ran his pancake coil , which is how he made his own energy, he didn't use mains for his workshop like some would like everyone to believe my own (small scale) tests prove that he was fully capable of generating enough energy to run his coils, Tesla was a genious and some how knew exactly how EVERYTHING worked

From the image i posted.

Grounded copper tube = magnifying transmitter
Sphere = earth

The point of the image is to show that a change in charge in the center of the sphere causes an instantaneous change in charge on the surface.

The magnifying transmitter is injecting charge into the earth.
Creating a standing wave.
Much like this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpEevfOU4Z8

[Gav]

"The point of the image is to show that a change in charge in the center of the sphere causes an instantaneous change in charge on the surface."
true
but as an antenna its still the same
grounded copper tube = ground
sphere = atmosphere
every one knows that you have to send to receive? by creating a natural pulse you are gathering more energy then a single wire hung in the air would.
energy does not have to be injected into the ground to gain energy, doing this is amplifying the earth so all can use the energy, anywhere at any time, it is not needed and potentially dangerous to the earths natural harmonics.

[indio007]

"The point of the image is to show that a change in charge in the center of the sphere causes an instantaneous change in charge on the surface."
true
but as an antenna its still the same
grounded copper tube = ground
sphere = atmosphere
every one knows that you have to send to receive? by creating a natural pulse you are gathering more energy then a single wire hung in the air would.
energy does not have to be injected into the ground to gain energy, doing this is amplifying the earth so all can use the energy, anywhere at any time, it is not needed and potentially dangerous to the earths natural harmonics.

Your referring to far-field propagation of EM.

I am talking about near-field coupling.

Near and far field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tesla explictly stated he was using the earth as the conductor. Whether it's dangerous or not, it's hard to tell.

Maybe that's why Tesla stopped. No one really knows for sure what the effect would be.

[indio007]

I just wanna add another Tesla quote to demonstrate what he claimed his method was.

This work consumed a number of years, but I finally vanquished all difficulties and succeeded in producing a machine which, to explain its operation in plain language, resembled a pump in its action, drawing electricity from the earth and driving it back into the same at an enormous rate, thus creating ripples or disturbances which, spreading through the earth as through a wire, could be detected at great distances by carefully attuned receiving circuits. In this manner I was able to transmit to a distance, not only feeble effects for the purposes of signaling, but considerable amounts of energy, and later discoveries I made convinced me that I shall ultimately succeed in conveying power without wires, for industrial purposes, with high economy, and to any distance, however great.

Tesla's Wireless Light

[TeslaSecrets]

1. Nikola Tesla himself says his electrical energy was going through the Earth, the Earth acting like a conductor, like a metal sphere.
2. indio007 points out exactly how Tesla was sending electrical energy through the Earth.
3. Others have pointed out Tesla's World Wireless could only work if the electrical energy is sent through the Earth, not over the Earth.
4. I have repeatedly tried to show how the electrical energy is through the Earth, using examples, images and references.
5. It has been stated and proven, you cannot transmit significant power( industrial power ) using radio type transmission systems.

And yet again and again, people keep beating the dead horse idea of Tesla's system sending "energy through the Atmosphere, like a radio".

If anything, the one thing someone can conclude by reading the 20 pages so far on this forum topic is, Tesla's Wardenclyffe World Wireless System did not transmit electrical power through the atmosphere.

Just so we are clear about this:

Tesla's World Wireless System used the Earth as a conductor for the electrical energy, as if the Earth was a metal sphere. In this sense, maybe Tesla should have called it his "World as a Wire" system, but he did not, as he was making a distinction between his system and the wired power transmission grid infrastructure being built at the time( which we still use today). By Wireless, he is not talking about WiFi or radio or any other atmospheric data transmission system, he is talking about industrial power transmission, without wires, using the Earth itself ( not its atmosphere ) as the conductor of the electrical energy.