Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[dR-Green]

Ernst, I don't know if you saw this:

I suspect the frequency of the received energy to be low, in the order of Earth resonance (12.78 Hz) - Schumann resonance (7.5 Hz?) = 5.3 Hz.

How did you come up with that number (12.78)?

Based on earth's diameter it is approx 7.5 CPS assuming the velocity of light. Pi/2*this velocity = approx 11.7 CPS, which I believe is the average velocity claimed by Tesla.

Based on earth's circumference its frequency is approx 23 CPS. That's also the number that was given in a non-electrical geology course. Tesla says approx 12 cycles per second - the question is, based on what conditions. Deriving frequency from Pi/2*c comes closest but doesn't match your conclusion.

Thanks.

Also:

- The doughnut shape as you can see in that patent that most people mistake for a Magnifying Transmitter (1.119.732)

Tesla refers to it as his Magnifying Transmitter, as well as the Colorado Springs coil. That is the Magnifying Transmitter basic design or principle.

Otherwise I would agree on the terminal. Notice that people like to put points on their Tesla coils to get sparks to come out of it more easily. That is exactly the opposite of what Tesla is talking about.

[Ernst]

dR-Green, my friend....
If I wrote 12.78 Hz, I made a mistake. It should have been light-speed / twice Earth diameter = 11.78 Hz. The reason behind this has already been discussed here a number of times.

Tesla refers to it as his Magnifying Transmitter, as well as the Colorado Springs coil

I probably have asked you this before, if not you, I have asked many others who failed to come up with an answer:
Point me to the article, patent or lecture in which Tesla (NOT somebody else!) says that his patent 1.119.732 describes a Magnifying Transmitter.

BTW: I do not argue that Tesla experimented with his Magnifying Transmitter in Houston street and in Colorado Springs.

The best answer I got so far is "You idiot! Anyone can see that that is a Magnifying Transmitter".
I consider that a "nice try, no cigar - answer".



Ernst.

[Jeff Pearson]

It seems to me 787412 is the patent for the magnifying transmitter. And yes if you read the patents he says any waveform will do as long as it is at resonance. I used to be one of the people who thought it had to be pulsed DC but have since read more of Tesla's own words instead of reading about him.

[Jeff Pearson]

Then there is the valvular conduit patent. Cant help but think there is an electrical analogy to this so havn't completly discounted pulsed DC

[Jeff Pearson]

and the analogy would not be a diode. Tesla didnt have those. he used coherer as the detecter in receiver

[Farmhand]

Ernst, I don't know if you saw this:





Thanks.

Also:



Tesla refers to it as his Magnifying Transmitter, as well as the Colorado Springs coil. That is the Magnifying Transmitter basic design or principle.

Otherwise I would agree on the terminal. Notice that people like to put points on their Tesla coils to get sparks to come out of it more easily. That is exactly the opposite of what Tesla is talking about.

Tesla himself placed points on his coils so as to get good spark shows. It has
to be looked at in context. If you want sparks from a coil that is designed not
to spark then you need to add a point so as to make sparks for fun, and
experiment.

While a lot of peoples only goal is sparks, there are others that do many
experiments, some of which involve causing sparks and discharges.

Look at the pictures in the Colorado Springs Notes, then go tell Tesla he
didn't design the thing to do that.

If you have a resonant Tesla transformer that produces 100 000's of volts
then why not make some sparks to show it. difficult to put a multimeter on it.

Also look at the patent at the part labeled "V" which is the safety device,
it is a point designed and placed so that if the voltage on the terminal should
exceed the safe limits the energy dissipates as sparks. Simple.

There is a spark point in the patent but it's placed within the influence of the
terminal and so doesn't spark so easy. But it is there for that, to limit voltage rise.

Cheers

[dR-Green]

dR-Green, my friend....
If I wrote 12.78 Hz, I made a mistake. It should have been light-speed / twice Earth diameter = 11.78 Hz. The reason behind this has already been discussed here a number of times.

I probably have asked you this before, if not you, I have asked many others who failed to come up with an answer:
Point me to the article, patent or lecture in which Tesla (NOT somebody else!) says that his patent 1.119.732 describes a Magnifying Transmitter.

BTW: I do not argue that Tesla experimented with his Magnifying Transmitter in Houston street and in Colorado Springs.

The best answer I got so far is "You idiot! Anyone can see that that is a Magnifying Transmitter".
I consider that a "nice try, no cigar - answer".



Ernst.

Hi Ernst, thanks for clarifying. That gives the same frequency as the circumference frequency*Pi/2.

Tesla's Diagram of overground vs underground waves Hetzian/Telluric

Note Telluric velocity, a function of angle around the earth, it is a cosecant, infinity at the poles, luminal at the equator. Pi over two is the integral "velocity"

I think I posted on this thread before a reference to Tesla speaking of his Magnifying Transmitter, I don't remember where it was from, possibly CS Notes or 'On His Work With AC' or something else.

Either way if as you say "Tesla experimented with his Magnifying Transmitter in Houston street and in Colorado Springs", then he would have had to have a Magnifying Transmitter to experiment with, which would make one of those coils a Magnifying Transmitter. I think it's a reference to a specific principle of operation or method etc, not a particular geometry (or 'design' as such) of coil. So if the patent referred to does the action then it is by definition a Magnifying Transmitter.

[dR-Green]

Tesla himself placed points on his coils so as to get good spark shows. It has
to be looked at in context. If you want sparks from a coil that is designed not
to spark then you need to add a point so as to make sparks for fun, and
experiment.

While a lot of peoples only goal is sparks, there are others that do many
experiments, some of which involve causing sparks and discharges.

Look at the pictures in the Colorado Springs Notes, then go tell Tesla he
didn't design the thing to do that.

If you have a resonant Tesla transformer that produces 100 000's of volts
then why not make some sparks to show it. difficult to put a multimeter on it.

Also look at the patent at the part labeled "V" which is the safety device,
it is a point designed and placed so that if the voltage on the terminal should
exceed the safe limits the energy dissipates as sparks. Simple.

There is a spark point in the patent but it's placed within the influence of the
terminal and so doesn't spark so easy. But it is there for that, to limit voltage rise.

Cheers

Agreed. But indio was asking about the shape of the terminal, so in this case Tesla was talking about exactly the opposite of what most people try to do, that is suppressing the sparks with large smooth surface areas as opposed to small sharp points.

Yes. That, your Honor, was only the carrying out of a discovery I made that any amount of electricity within reason could be stored provided you make it of a certain shape.

The sparks seen in CS Notes were with the capacitance terminal disconnected, he had a crown-like ring with protrusions on it, or something like that which is explained in the text, on the top of the coil to do that. Suffice to say that mode wasn't what Tesla called "normal operation"!

[indio007]

It seems obvious to me that mode of operation was to accumulate as much static charge on the top terminal as possible.


When you look at his pump analogy it seems even more obvious what the idea was




"pump" charge into the top.
After that I am lost on the mechanics of certain things.

How did he stop the earth and the top from being at charge equilibrium?

There had to be some mechanism that was the electrical version of a valve.

I have ideas of how this was done. I really can't be sure though at this point.

[indio007]

I should add something that just struck me.

Sometimes Tesla uses a wire analogy like the earth picture previous to my post.

If you look at the image I posted it says capacity in reference to the top part of the device.

maybe this is a dual purpose device
A some part of the cycles it's a conductor and other parts of the cycle it's a capacitor.
or in the alternative a variably leaky capacitor in which the timing and direction of the leak is controlled .

[dR-Green]

It seems obvious to me that mode of operation was to accumulate as much static charge on the top terminal as possible.

When you look at his pump analogy it seems even more obvious what the idea was



"pump" charge into the top.
After that I am lost on the mechanics of certain things.

How did he stop the earth and the top from being at charge equilibrium?

There had to be some mechanism that was the electrical version of a valve.

I have ideas of how this was done. I really can't be sure though at this point.

It's an alternating or oscillating electrostatic field. In basic terms it takes a certain amount of time for the wave to propagate along the coil/conductor (and reflect back again) which gives rise to the resonant frequency. In 1/4 wave resonance when the top voltage is maximum the bottom is 0.

AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) - YouTube

Resonant Modes And Reflections-01 (TMT) - YouTube

[TheoriaApophasis]

[indio007]

A theory of natural philosophy was censored by the Catholic Church ... literally.
Page 463 at the bottom
FWIW.

[TheoriaApophasis]

A theory of natural philosophy was censored by the Catholic Church ... literally.
Page 463 at the bottom
FWIW.

page 463 of WHAT EDITION???????


most are half english half latin versions

[indio007]

page 463 of WHAT EDITION???????


most are half english half latin versions

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7113...ral_philosophy
A theory of natural philosophy
Latin-English edition from the text of the first Venetian edition published under the personal superintendence of the author in 1763, with a short life of Boscovich.
put forward and explained by Roger Joseph Boscovich.
Published 1922 by Open Court Publishing Company in Chicago, London .

Ya ... hilarious...