Patrick Kelly/Rosemary Anslie circuits

[Aaron]

@Glen

But from some fine detective work done by a seasoned experimentalist named "Poynt99" and a month of arguing with Rosemary that in all actuality the device shown in the YouTube video production "Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration 12 March 2011" was in fact this schematic "NOT" the one shown in the YouTube video.

Poynt99 may have found something but he still doesn't know anything about the nature of electricity.

Remember - he was one of the ones claiming that 100% of everything that goes into the inductive resistor turned into heat since it is a resistor and therefore there can be nothing left after the switch is turned off. Well, we both know that when the switch is off we do get an inductive kickback that can be used to charge a cap, go back to the battery, go back to the nichrome to make more heat, etc... meaning Poynt99 is completely unqualified to even comment on the circuits - and he never even posted any of his experiments to back his claims. He was a desk jockey like most of the other "experts".

I completely back you Glen but Poynt99 might be able to dig up info but he has no ability to apply critical thinking to these circuits in any way, shape or form.

[FuzzyTomCat]

Poynt99 may have found something but he still doesn't know anything about the nature of electricity.

Remember - he was one of the ones claiming that 100% of everything that goes into the inductive resistor turned into heat since it is a resistor and therefore there can be nothing left after the switch is turned off. Well, we both know that when the switch is off we do get an inductive kickback that can be used to charge a cap, go back to the battery, go back to the nichrome to make more heat, etc... meaning Poynt99 is completely unqualified to even comment on the circuits - and he never even posted any of his experiments to back his claims. He was a desk jockey like most of the other "experts".

I completely back you Glen but Poynt99 might be able to dig up info but he has no ability to apply critical thinking to these circuits in any way, shape or form.

@ Aaron,

Thank you for the kind words. I was very hesitant on mentioning some names because of knowing how you feel about past members but being accused by others of not having the whole story correct can be just as bad .... sorry.

The commitment to the "open source" community for me as you know stemmed from finding out about the patent law that came into effect back in 1958 for those interested .....

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac...dated_laws.pdf

Appendix "L" Patent Laws

CHAPTER 17—SECRECY OF CERTAIN INVENTIONS AND
FILING APPLICATIONS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES

35 U.S.C. 181 Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent.
Page Number L-44

When president Bush came into office in 2001 there were (approx) 3200 patents that were taken by the US government, when Bush left office eight years later there was 4200 patents taken. Now since Obama came into office the total (approx) is near or over now 5000 patents taken by the US government .... and president Obama has announced he's streamlined the patent application process to promote inventors and inventions with clean green energy devices and guess where most of them went.

I would think that everyone should be aware of what the government can do when a alternative energy source or supply is made to upset the "United States" status quo and removing tax dollars from our economy.

As for the "findings" related to Rosemary's YouTube video Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration 12 March 2011 - YouTube here are some still images from the video that shows the circuit being discussed throughout was totally incorrect and withheld by her until discovered and confronted with the error(s).

CIRCUIT SHOWN IN VIDEO



VIDEO "AS BUILT" IMAGES





"AS BUILT" DEMONSTRATION CIRCUIT




As everyone can see with the examples shown above this is a total "FAIL" in a scientific method used to demonstrate a device with a circuit claimed operation of "NO" battery voltage loss having a COP>INFINITY rating.

Best Regards,
Glen

[realmikel]

I apologise skywatcher


Flaming = personal attacks made towards a person not the theory they are presenting.
Example= "This person has no ability to apply critical thinking to these circuits in any way, shape or form.

Agenda= A desire to force upon others your beliefs
Example= Everyone should agree with me on how information is dispersed. "it's all there if you take the time to look for the "TRUTH" not "HOPES"." which is designed to indicate that your point of view has been vindicated and there is no point in anyone else looking to see if this idea can be developed more. Yes I understand your desire to hurt Rose since she did not bow to your perfect understanding of electrical theory.

Glen or aaron or fuzzycat or who ever. I get that you have demonstrated over the years your complete failure at building these circuits. I understand that in your mind you are the ultimate thinkers on electrical energy. Is it really a problem for you to allow us lesser beings the oportunity to have a forum topic where we look at posibilites in a circuit without your anger, angst or any other form of interference? Shouldn't a moderator explain to you about how wrong it is to flame here? Parallel resonant circuitry has been studied for years yet there may still be something that can grow from these circuits. Yes I understand that technically these circuits are not parallel circuits yet I think of them in ways that they replicate parallel or bedini circuits. Do I need your permission to do that?

Skywatcher I apologise that I added something to your topic that brought about so much distraction from your topic. I have built some of the circuits you commented on and find them to be very interesting and full of possibilities. I look forward to any comments or suggestions you may make if these people have not offended you until you refuse to post here. Is there a moderator that can assist you and ask the above mentioned persons to stay on topic and behave politely?

[Aaron]

Rosemary Ainslie

[quote=realmikel;205380]Glen or aaron or fuzzycat or who ever. I get that you have demonstrated over the years your complete failure at building these circuits. I understand that in your mind you are the ultimate thinkers on electrical energy. Is it really a problem for you to allow us lesser beings the oportunity to have a forum topic where we look at posibilites in a circuit without your anger, angst or any other form of interference? Shouldn't a moderator explain to you about how wrong it is to flame here? Parallel resonant circuitry has been studied for years yet there may still be something that can grow from these circuits. Yes I understand that technically these circuits are not parallel circuits yet I think of them in ways that they replicate parallel or bedini circuits. Do I need your permission to do that?

[/quote]

Nobody desires to hurt Rose as you claim. However, people need to know the plain truth about what happened and she was completely out of integrity and was not very honest with us at all.

We do not believe we are the ultimate thinkers in electricity and your sarcasm only adds to the bad taste in this circuit concept.

As far as the technology - actually we had perfect success with these circuits because we got the results these circuits were supposed to produce. I even made the resistor go 5C below ambient temperature, so if there is someone else that can show that, I'd like to see what they have to say about it.

Off the shelf heat pump hot water heaters beat these circuits so I would rather just buy an off the shelf heat pump for practical application.

COP 17? Not with the Quantum circuit. As Glen said, that diagram doesn't even give the right duty cycle claimed in the article. There are many contradictions and misinformation that was provided to everyone from Rosemary.

Now if you want to talk about the potential of the circuit - you have to actually read the other posts regarding these circuits in the other threads and you will see where you are completely off base. I think there is a lot of potential in these circuit concepts but not as Rosemary shows it. I'm not going to put any time into it now but I believe a serious area that needs to be researched is capacitive discharge into inductive resistors because I know someone that achieved overunity heating with a similar concept.

So yes, I believe there is a lot to be explored with inductive resistors while simultaneously, anything that Rosemary claims needs to be needs to be ripped to shreds to see if there is a grain of truth to it.

I personally learned a lot from all that time on those experiments and am very grateful for the experience but unfortunately, the "inventor" of these circuits is not very honest and likes to play games.

[realmikel]

Off the shelf heat pump hot water heaters beat these circuits so I would rather just buy an off the shelf heat pump for practical application.

In the state of Ohio on the coast of Lake Erie heatpumps require backup since the outside temps are so low they can not keep up. In one example someone had to have back up of 4000 watts of resistive heat. This heat pump unit used 800 us dollars per month for roughly four months during the last winter which was considered mild for the area. If we assume that you are unable to get a cop of 17 like Rose let us work with the idea you can manage to get at least half what Rose claimed or an cop of 8. The resistive heat then would have provided the same comfort for roughly 100 dollars instead of 800 dollars. Now we both understand what you mean by " practical application" may I sugggest you invest in a dictionary for this term and the word moderator and even the word sarcasm. I would like to point out that in colder climates that the circuit under discusion remains unaffected by the outdoor temp when used as a heater and that heat pumps lose efficiency quickly when used as a heater in cold outdoor situations .

You may want to review what law requires anyone to share their work with you. If you understand what ever they share with you is a gift then it seems the only correct attitude then is gratitude, its a buddhist thang. Please adjust your attitude appropriately after all you did not "get a resistor to run cold " on your own; like everyone else you simply used someone elses work to build on.

[Dave45]

Confused man say
getting into pissing contest with mod not good idea, hehehe

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi realmikel, it's all good, believe it or not, there is something to learn in all things and situations.
As far as my testing, I was curiously ignorant and tried to use my good mosfet as a drop in replacement in my Radiant charger, the one with capacitor in parallel with resistors and diode going into base with base resistor and blew it instantly, even with a battery as flyback load and neon across fet, not sure what happened.
Anyway, luckily the RC speed control had a couple other fets on it i can use for some tests, in fact, they are both hexfets, so maybe they will be even better.
The first few self charging feedback tests I made with the 555 and the fet i had, i was able to keep the 12 volt 7Ah at the same voltage level for over an hour, though i did see a few moments where it rose slightly.
I was using around 10 microsecond pulses at around .5% duty cycle.
I was using a solenoid style multi-strand coil with ferrite core for tests.
We will see what happens with these hexfets and some different coils and core and without core and some different toroid cores I'll try.
peace love light
tyson

[Aaron]

Rosemary Ainslie

Is it really a problem for you to allow us lesser beings the oportunity to have a forum topic

When making a statement that includes the underlined part - that is sarcasm as it is something that you don't actually believe - it is a snide remark and literally, is sarcasm. And for your information, there is NO absolute definition for what is to be defined as sarcasm so please don't reference the dictionary to me unless you actually read it.

As far as the actual point that is relevant to the topic of this thread?

And what is the layout of this heat pump that needs backup? The average temperature of a basement for example is about 55F all year round on average in the United States. It is irrelevant how cold it gets outside, my basement in my old house isn't going to get any colder than 50-55F and if I had a heat pump hot water heater there, it will produce all the hot water I want at overunity levels regardless of the outside temp because it will never get cold enough to drop the COP under 1.0.

If there is a heat pump using 800 USD per month even in cold weather, there is simply a poorly designed system and placed in a ridiculous location. Even Dennis Lee's heat pump system, which he didn't even invent because I know who did will boil water in the snow! $800 per month?

Fixing an $800 per month problem like that is like spitting into the wind. It is an effort in futility. That system needs to be completely rethought because $800 a month for a home heat pump is unacceptable.

The average home in the US spends 50% of the energy bills on heating and cooling - 50% of that energy is wasted on average. Practical application obviously has to have some place here but band aids aren't helpful either. It is sometimes better to just start from scratch.

I used to live in Ohio and the winters are not that much different that the Inland Northwest.

First of all, please clarify the distinction of what kind of heat pump you're talking about I DID say a heat pump hot water heater. I did not say a heat pump boiler or any other heat pump that heats the home. A heat pump hot water heater is a cylindrical water tank to hold hot water for the hot water taps in the house such as for taking a shower or a bath for example.

If the Ainslie circuit can't even heat a bath tub at any significant COP, it sure isn't going to heat the home with radiant tubing, etc...

Stiebel Eltron | Accelera® 300 Heat Pump Water Heater

That is a link to the most efficient heat pump hot water heater available commonly in the US. Just because you're talking about a heat pump and it may heat water does not mean it is the actual appliance known as a "heat pump hot water heater". Yes, it is possible to run radiant floor tubing with a couple of hot water heaters, but that is not even very popular yet although I think it should be - especially if people are using heat pump hot water heaters and possibly solar assisted.

The Stiebel Eltron Accelera 300 has a normal COP of 2.0 to 7.0 (from 40F to 115F). The 2.0 is at 40F, which is close to freezing temperatures - still twice as much as a resistive heating element! And basement temperatures during the winter, the COP is about 3.0.

Now EF or Energy Factor is a more realistic reading of what a heat pump hot water heat is doing but for the sake of simplicity, we can use COP since most people hopefully know what it is.

Ok, I need to point out something because you're not being consistent in what you are saying. You said: "If we assume that you are unable to get a cop of 17 like Rose let us work with the idea you can manage to get at least half what Rose claimed or an cop of 8."

The first half of the sentence, you said "cop of 17 like Rose" - that is you assuming that she ever got that. The second half, you say "at least half what rose claimed" - admitting it was a claim. So do you or do you not believe she achieved COP 17 because the first half of the sentence you absolutely do and the second half you're being more objective and are saying it is a claim. If we're not even sure, then using a COP of 17 has no basis as a foundation for any reasonable discussion on heat pumps and we can only fall back on what we know is achievable and might as well focus on 2-7 COP since that is ALREADY being achieved.

There is something to this nichrome wire in an inductive resistor - we know for a fact that magnetism CAN do work, and that the amount of work being done because of it is NOT directly related to what left the power supply. Nature always gives us a freebie on each and every cycle and I can mathematically prove it in virtually every circumstance. An apparent COP of 2.0 from the basic Mosfet circuit is an easy standard to achieve and I've done it. I never saw any heat above that. The most remarkable thing I saw was dropping 5C below room temperature.

And because that is the max heat I ever saw, which may be totally different from Glen's results is that if that is the max, and Rosemary even admitted to me that is what is normally expected, then an off the shelf heat pump hot water heater at a COP of 3.0 (and I don't even have to build anything) is the most practical solution to heating my water.

You say: "I would like to point out that in colder climates that the circuit under discusion remains unaffected by the outdoor temp when used as a heater and that heat pumps lose efficiency quickly when used as a heater in cold outdoor situations ."

How many hours have you spent experimenting with these circuits? Please answer that honestly.

You have absolutely no idea whether the temperature will change what these circuits do or not. If this is in a water heater, during winter, the cold water supply will be even colder and the COP will drop accordingly. That is just common sense because more work per input will have to be done to get it up to temperature X. How you can just make a blanket statement based on an assumption has no basis in reality. In my basement when I experimented with these circuits, the ambient temp in that particular room was between 50 and the low 70's and if you think that the ambient temperature isn't going to rub off or touch the inductive resistor, you are fooling yourself.

I did the first experiment in my garage when the temperature was about 90F+ in there and the voltage of the battery climbed for about 24 hours while kicking out heat but you have to look at the POTENTIAL DIFFERENCES involved between 90F and 140F or whatever it was and basement temperature and the same 140F. What situation do you think will have the resistor getting to the 140F at a faster rate? It is obvious - it will get to 140F faster in the 90F garage than the basement! So YES - the surrounding temperature will factor into how efficiently this circuit will heat up to x temp.

Take that circuit to below freezing conditions in Antartica - you think suddenly it will just produce heat at the same levels without having to overcome the fact that there is frost growing on the resistor? You have to be realistic.

And finally, you say: "You may want to review what law requires anyone to share their work with you."

You are really missing something to believe that it is ok for someone to lie to you about what a certain technology is doing - have plenty of people spend a lot of time on it and later find out that the "inventor" absolutely was lying. Again, this is just common sense.

IF she put it all forward in such as way that she said she just wanted to share a principle and that she couldn't share anything proprietary, then that is understandable - your comment has merit.

But when someone is claiming to be sharing EVERYTHING and later we find out there was a lot of deception, consciously and with willful intent on their part, then no, you have a serious integrity issue if you believe that is ok and it is proven by even bringing up what law requires anyone to share it under these circumstances. That is NOT being on the level. And in this case, the actual case of what happened, you comment has absolutely no merit since it is irrelevant to the actual situation.

Just be intellectually honest and you will see that myself or anyone else that was involved with all of this never automatically felt entitled to anything. But there is a serious issue with being lied to and having facts misrepresented to us and later on having this all proven that it was in fact misrepresented. That is what the issue is.

We're talking about the same person who filed patents on the circuits, they lapsed and she claimed that they were allowed to intentionally lapse so they could be placed into the public domain so everyone can do what they want with them and so they couldn't be covered up. Then, she gets word that someone might be interested in making and selling something based on one of the circuits and she threatens a lawsuit. You have no idea what a soap opera is until you have experienced all of this. There CANNOT be a law suit since it was placed into the public domain after the patent lapsed - but this goes to show and validate the mindset behind someone like this that we spent plenty of time dealing with. Everyone needs to read this for themselves in all the old threads.

If anything is needing an adjustment, it is your integrity and you should be ashamed of yourself for defending someone that outright lied and deceived a whole lot of people. And you should be doubly ashamed of yourself for even implying that we feel entitled to her work, which we never did and by stating something like this, you're willing to take it out of context simply to defend a baseless argument that you're having here.

She EXPLICITLY stated many things and many times that she is sharing EVERYTHING and that she didn't want to hold anything back - that was found to be 100% FALSE. To have a problem with that shows that we don't appreciate that kind of lack of integrity but apparently you support that OR, you are unable to understand the distinction of what the situation actually is and have no room to talk as you were not even involved in it. You are defending someone without having any facts whatsoever.

Anyway, please don't argue with me - you were NOT party to that experience and have no room to talk. If you want to talk about the technology, that is appropriate but comments from the peanut gallery about our past dealing with her are not.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, we're still engaging in soap opera i see, even if it is all deception, it is still a waste and distraction at this point to spend energy on it.
My research shows, if something has merit, then sometimes a drama is created around it, to distract from the simple message conveyed.
The concerns of deception are noted and require no further discussion on the matter.
I care only about discussing circuitry and coil pulsing with short pulse widths and things related to this.
Please create another thread for the human drama information, thanks.
peace love light
tyson