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  • #16
    Originally posted by redrichie View Post
    Yep just like the "Wilkinson" machine. A basic block and tackle as Mathew said. Now that with a heavy weight and a lot more height to fall from would be interesting. Anyone know just how much of his gearing killed torque? As in being that geared down would he still be able to turn a generator?
    I don't know about the Wilkinson Machine, but gearing , hydraulics and pneumatics are pretty standard reduction or gain ratios. If you have 10 lbs falling and that falling weight is turning a gear with 10 teeth that in turn turns a gear with 5 teeth, you have then 1 to 2 gear ratio. So the gear with 10 teeth turns at 10 rpm at 10 ft lbs of torque. The gear with 5 teeth turns at 20 rpm at 5 lbs of torque.

    Hydraulics are the same except you look at the pressures in the line or a the motor or pump. Same with pneumatics

    At real high speeds you do have to start to factor in friction with gearing, Likewise you have to factor in leakage with hydraulics, ect... but those losses usually account for very little. There are a few specific losses orientated for the type of reduction used. Gears may have torsion loss from flexing metal. Hydraulics have tension loss from flexing lines and/or seals. Reduction in line size also comes with a very small standard loss.
    Pneumatics have few more losses. Line size and distance are real important for maintaining pressures.

    Its all pretty standard stuff not real big challenge mathematically.


    Water would probably be a better bet then a heavy weight. Just mechanically speaking you can probably get parts to move and store water cheaper then you can part to carry heavy weights.
    People are already using water towers as batteries with a pretty efficient turn around. But the again it does not have the shock an awe of 100 ton floating in the air slowly creeping down until the next time you leave the driveway. LOL

    Cheers
    Matt

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    • #17
      I'm sorry to say that but in my opinion no chained generator - motor can work freely without modification. They are specifically created to have looses higher then possible usage in this (correct btw ) way.If you have a motor or generator (or both) without lenz law "magnetic resistance" then it will work.

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      • #18
        Your misunderstanding. The point would be to lift the weight using free or environmental, IE wind, or the car leaving the driveway, Exercise equipment, ect.. Things that we normally do not take energy from but have plenty of it.
        Then we use the falling weight to turn a generator and make power when we need it.

        So an example would be... You ride an exercise bike to get healthy and lose weight (especially if your an American). We take the energy you use to turn the bike and store it by lifting up a heavy weight.
        Later you can hook the weight to the generator and let it fall, giving you back the energy you expelled in another form.

        Just using everyday things that cost energy and try to recover some of it.

        Matt

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        • #19
          Bingo! use the energy we waste everyday, that was the whole idea, when I was changing the breaks in my truck, I thought "what a waste of energy", but now with all the creative input from members, excersice bike, treadmill, rocking chair, opening and closing doors, unrealing the t.p. off the roll! LOL there is really alot of things we do that waste energy that could be recaptured, like the selfwinding watch, but I want the shock and awe of a 100 ton weight hanging, how cool would that be! Like Matthew said, well put, and thanks Matt for the info on the math behind the ratio reductions, very helpfull, cheers.........Mike
          Last edited by Etherichead; 08-21-2012, 06:43 PM.

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