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  • #46
    I feel I started and argument here and that was not my intention, I have developed my own theory's, wrong, maybe, but I know the current system sure isnt right, I didnt know I had to follow anyone.

    Study all you can on the A vector field, I froze a coil in ice, and seen the A vector field myself and this has led me on an incredible journey, am I going down a dead end road, I personally dont think so.

    Im not hear to argue or try to mislead anyone, but have an open mind and explore the possibility's, I could give quite a few references for why I think the way I do but Im not going into that here.(well maybe a couple )


    This is not my vid but notice the polarity of the field as he moves the sniffer coil across the bloch wall.
    Bloch Wall - YouTube
    Follow your own path and may it lead to fruition

    dave
    Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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    • #47
      wrong post
      Last edited by wings; 09-17-2012, 01:25 PM.

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      • #48
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        Last edited by boguslaw; 09-18-2012, 01:25 PM. Reason: sorry

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        • #49
          Speaking about the B EMF Now...on Motors.

          Hello to All,

          I hope all my posts here are not upsetting anyone, or bringing confusion (except to JPolakow... ) Oh Hi JPolakow!!...

          If they do, let me know and I will Post some more... ..






          Kidding...will erase them all if they do...in two seconds...

          All the Symmetrical Machines (Motors basically) create a "False" B EMF...mainly the Brushed types...This occurs at every time they FORCE reverse Input polarity in order to obtain a Magnetic Polarity reversal required by this Systems in order to achieve Rotation...This fact creates a "FORCED B EMF" that will shut back at our Input...but reversed, creating High Electronic Collisions that derive in Heat and Spikes Galore...As it demands our Source Feeding to Increase...to keep burning Energy...and the Show keeps going on and on...We pay...to see it run.
          Oh!...and yes!...That is why you need that "Patch"...Yes the "Flywheel Diode"...to keep looping that spike within Armatures...so it will not be "THAT MUCH"...I mean...harm them but not TOO much...
          That is the "So Called" Counter Effect...or Generator Effect on Motors, as also noted in Symmetrical Generators as "Motor Effect"...it was all a Scam to "LOCK" this same Model for so long...to weaken this machines Mechanical Power...so they could never run a twin or smaller Generator Head...So the little two strokes stinking, leakers...could keep burning and smoking lethal carbons...but giving Trillions back to Oil Cartels and Manufacturing Industries...

          Game/Scam...will be over soon...

          Stay tuned

          Regards to all


          Ufopolitics
          Last edited by Ufopolitics; 09-17-2012, 11:28 PM.
          Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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          • #50
            selfrunning working permanent magnet motor , is it a Fake ? - YouTube
            I know some dont think so but this is relevant to this thread, notice the cw and ccw wound magnets cutting through the center of the upper magnet.
            This is how you build a free energy electromagnetic power system, and no I havent built it yet so no I dont have proof, but Im working on it.
            Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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            • #51
              One thing to keep in mind is, man wrote the laws regarding the conservation of energy, not nature.
              Nature writes it's own laws regardless of what man thinks or does.

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              • #52
                Thanks to all!

                I think the answers to the original questions posted above have been answered quite well in the first page of the thread. And also in the thread mentioned here that Aaron started on "back emf vs inductive spike". I feel very good about my understanding of how a flyback voltage is actually a "forward" emf in the direction of the applied voltage, after the applied voltage has been cut off from a charged inductor.

                Back emf or Forward emf, either way its a voltage generation (emf = voltage). more of a matter of perspective and timing than anything "fundamental". the only thing fundamental is the voltage generation. Generators and motors both create forward and backward emf during normal operation, so Peter's electric motor secrets seems to be the best place to start for fundamentals. then electric motor secrets part 2 if you want your mind blown, in a good way.

                The flyback is a phenomenon of an inductor discharging quickly. Also known as "inductive spike" or "inductive collapse". Lots of great links to be had from the members, thanks for all the help and pointers to previous threads.

                Interesting that inductive collapse is used by many "free-energy" devices: Bedini SSG, Kromrey or G-field, and Dollards analog computer "in longitudinal mode". Those are my favorites and sure enough they all have a flyback or inductive collapse effect. I think EV Gray's machine involved it too. Dollards is my favorite since it RESONATES these inductive collapses, adding even more voltage amplification.

                (Some ramblings now): I'm fully convinced that some "other" things like HHO production from water at super efficiency is possible when you begin approaching the intense high voltages generated by a flyback transformer. Similar to Stan Meyers water cracking, which has some very obvious inductors placed near the water. especially exciting since you can use such a tiny amount of input current at tiny voltage to generate these mega-voltages. seems to be related to PLASMA creation. that "4th state of matter" that appears to be "electrified matter" and nothing like normal matter at all. anyone done Plasma research?

                Now on an unrelated but fun issue, there is more bad information, mis-information, dis-information, distracting information, whatever you want to call it on this single thread than I have seen in a lot of personal trolling on forums over the years. I am encouraged by that fact because if any thread needed corrupting, it seems like it would be one that is "close to something needing protecting".



                Anyway thanks for all the responses, including the intentionally misleading ones!

                -Ben

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                • #53
                  sorry off topic
                  @Dav45, the magnet on top is not a bar magnet and is not 1 polarity, there are alot of seperate magnets connected together, facing different ways. the magnets on the wheel are also opposite polaritys to each other, when the wheel spins, its the different polaritys of the top magnet that keeps force on the wheel magnets as they spread apart, i found a diagram on the net somewhere, if your interested ill try find it again, oh and it does work i made something simular. also, imagine a round track/loop that went through the centre of a coil, then add more coils= unlimited free energy this is only 1 of many ideas ive had for awhile
                  Gav

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                  • #54
                    Im sorry this post was written in haste and out of anger so I removed it.
                    Truth always prevails


                    dave
                    Last edited by Dave45; 09-18-2012, 12:24 PM.
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