Tesla's Free Energy Concept

[dR-Green]

im a beliver it is possible to generate enough power to keep a good size battery bank charged, and be able to run a generator off it and power 1 house from 1 device. i have no education in any feild of science but over the last few months ive been lazyly experimening with this way of generating electricity, ive looked up all the info on how the magnetic feilds work, from the earth to the perminant magnet, and alot on what tesla did.
so far my best design has given me 18.5dcv, that is instant, as soon as i connect it, i havnt finnished it yet and im sure i can easily double that reading, all im doing is experimenting with different coils and electromagnetic forces.

Interesting stuff, but how much current is there? The obvious thing that stands out watching people's videos on this subject is that they're lighting LEDs etc, when Tesla was doing more, and they're using different circuits to Tesla before "successfully" replicating the original. But I would certainly have concerns over the size of something required to power a house, and the height of the thing would be a factor.

From the letter boguslaw posted:

The conditions at Pic a Tenerife are ideal for the success of such methods as I contemplate to employ for getting a steady supply of small amounts of energy.

From wikipedia:

Pic a Tenerife is a mountain located in western Newfoundland, near the coastal community of Glenburnie in Gros Morne National Park. It is 545 m (1,788 ft) high

Pic a Tenerife - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Also this may or may not be of use

Atmospheric Electrodynamics - Hans Volland

http://bookfi.org/dl/654037/338d7c

[dR-Green]

So according to this Thread...

You are trying to "conclude" there was not anything "Mystical" should we say about Nikola Tesla?...
Radiant Energy was not there either?

It seems you are driving the "Main Subject" here to take off our Minds there were nothing of Conspiracy...Hidden Patents...seized work...just BECAUSE there was "Nothing Out of This World"...when we all say just "Nikola Tesla's Work"?

You are playing the victim card. None of that will get you any closer to the truth. You are not in school and you are able to do your own research and experiments. Some of it is posted on this page, including the radiant energy patent.

I'm not a magician either.

Real Magick Tesla Style - YouTube

I simply listened to Tesla (and of course Eric Dollard).

A Bulb In Hand(s) - YouTube

There is nothing "out of this world" about it. Tesla was a scientist, not a mystic.

The discovery of the conducting properties of the air, though unexpected, was only a natural result of experiments in a special field which I had carried on for some years before. It was, I believe, during 1889 that certain possibilities offered by extremely rapid electrical oscillations determined me to design a number of special machines adapted for their investigation. Owing to the peculiar requirements, the construction of these machines was very difficult, and consumed much time and effort; but my work on them was generously rewarded, for I reached by their means several novel and important results. One of the earliest observations I made with these new machines was that electrical oscillations of an extremely high rate act in an extraordinary manner upon the human organism. Thus, for instance, I demonstrated that powerful electrical discharges of several hundred thousand volts, which at that time were considered absolutely deadly, could be passed through the body without inconvenience or hurtful consequences. These oscillations produced other specific physiological effects, which, upon my announcement, were eagerly taken up by skilled physicians and further investigated. This new field has proved itself fruitful beyond expectation, and in the few years which have passed since, it has been developed to such an extent that it now forms a legitimate and important department of medical science. Many results, thought impossible at that time, are now readily obtainable with these oscillations, and many experiments undreamed of then can now be readily performed by their means. I still remember with pleasure how, nine years ago, I passed the discharge of a powerful induction-coil through my body to demonstrate before a scientific society the comparative harmlessness of very rapidly vibrating electric currents, and I can still recall the astonishment of my audience. I would now undertake, with much less apprehension that I had in that experiment, to transmit through my body with such currents the entire electrical energy of the dynamos now working at Niagara—forty or fifty thousand horse-power. I have produced electrical oscillations which were of such intensity that when circulating through my arms and chest they have melted wires which joined my hands, and still I felt no inconvenience. I have energized with such oscillations a loop of heavy copper wire so powerfully that masses of metal, and even objects of an electrical resistance specifically greater than that of human tissue brought close to or placed within the loop, were heated to a high temperature and melted, often with the violence of an explosion, and yet into this very space in which this terribly-destructive turmoil was going on I have repeatedly thrust my head without feeling anything or experiencing injurious after-effects.

Another observation was that by means of such oscillations light could be produced in a novel and more economical manner, which promised to lead to an ideal system of electric illumination by vacuum-tubes, dispensing with the necessity of renewal of lamps or incandescent filaments, and possibly also with the use of wires in the interior of buildings. The efficiency of this light increases in proportion to the rate of the oscillations, and its commercial success is, therefore, dependent on the economical production of electrical vibrations of transcending rates. In this direction I have met with gratifying success of late, and the practical introduction of this new system of illumination is not far off.

This light then also constitutes the artificial source shown in Fig. 4 of the radiant energy patent.

[Ufopolitics]

Out of this World...

You are playing the victim card. None of that will get you any closer to the truth. You are not in school and you are able to do your own research and experiments. Some of it is posted on this page, including the radiant energy patent.

No "Victim Card"...Our Research without the Basic and deep studies ...plus all the Patents you want to cite...will not get us anywhere.

In case you did not know...Patents are written-besides in a "legal wording"...are written in the must General Way the Lawyers orient you to present them...meaning "no detail/spec's" at all...A Patent never will lead you to replicate anything from their "descriptions".
And YES, I know exactly what am talking about...

I'm not a magician either.

Me either...

I simply listened to Tesla.

Did You?...really?...do you have "any recordings" from him... live?
If You do please send them e-mail...thxs

There is nothing "out of this world" about it. Tesla was a scientist, not a mystic.

Of course Tesla delivered Things OUT OF THIS WORLD...Out of this World of Fraud, of Scams, of Mutilations...of Seizing...Of "locking" Models for 130 plus years...to keep using the stinking/farting/leaking Gas/Diesel Engines?

This World we are living in...is an OIL BASED WORLD...Nothing, but absolutely nothing, nada...that could even threaten in "minor scale"...the Global Energy Positioning that Oil have up to now...will simply get banned, seized...destroyed...killed, assassinated...not even the "bones" of your ancestors would be ever found...simple as that.

There are too many interests behind OIL...besides the Energy fact...Wars...Economy rolling...Consumption Societies...all prices of anything...Gold, Silver, Food...Transport...I mean EVERY F****G thing you could think off...relates directly to OIL...

So You think is also a Myth...that SO MANY have died "mysteriously"...just because of being successful following Tesla's work?
That "List" goes for decades...way before You and I were even born...up to date...
Do you really think they were all "casualties"?
Casualties repeated every certain times very apart from each others...but all having same "common results"...success in Energy other than OIL?


Honestly...have you given a thought...to what would happen to our world...if some "random guy" appears "tomorrow"...and shows everyone how to make a very simple, yet robust prime mover...all electric...low consumption/highest torque than the biggest Diesel Engine...that would turn the biggest capacity Generator out there?


Think what would happen...and think very slow and profoundly...


Because it "may" happen very soon...


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Gav]

ive blown up my volt meter and have to wait till tonight to get a new 1 so im not sure what it is doing at the moment, also ive been playing around with it so its set up wrong at the moment.it can run around 10 leds and it trys to run a 12dcv electric motor, stop/start, i think im finnished testing and my be time to just set it up the way i know it will work properly, i still havnt pulsed it either, im hoping when finnished there ill be enough current to run a motor at full speed, if not ill pulse it. complicated ciruits will get you no where doing this, you need the energy to keep moving, and encorage it to move with electromagnetic feilds and forces. its only once you have the movement and enough current that you should start to store the energy

(quote) "Being the Image He was for Electric Engineering World Wide...How come NONE of His great Research, theories and Main Work in General...is NOT taught in ANY University in Our Beautiful Planet?"

i think we are very sheltered here in Aust, it was only 6 months ago that i found that he even existed

[dR-Green]

No "Victim Card"...Our Research without the Basic and deep studies ...plus all the Patents you want to cite...will not get us anywhere.

You see, you are running away from what is known, yelling about what is not known. This is not productive, hence the conspiracy weavers cause their own diversions. None of the coverup talk makes any difference to the opportunity of doing something now, it only wastes time. The point here is to deal with facts according to Tesla's own words, not through a conspiracy weaving interpreter, they have caused enough of a mess themselves.

Tesla didn't spontaneously know everything. He discovered things and made developments and improvements through experiment and observation. There is enough information to at least pick up the trail and start work, there is no excuse. Then you may find that the effects reveal themselves.

[edit] Incorrectly naming things and attributing them with Tesla also adds to the disinfo and the confusion. The oil companies must be loving it.

@Gav: I'll be keeping an eye on it then

[barbosi]

dR-Green,

Please do not get disturbed by any egos' storm any please continue for the benefit of the new comers' open minds. Maybe it will not be fully accepted, but it will give a referenced foundation for further research.

Mr. Tesla was a fine scientist who preferred to pose as magician to make masses aware about possibilities of limitless great minds. Realising the limits, he specifically stated his work was for future generations. His mathematical approach to this was in, as you said, "The Problem Of Increasing Human Energy".

So please disregard any limitations you may find in your way and keep up your work. Good or bad, is nobody's business to judge it without personal effort to read and understand.

Thank you.

[RichardFudnavis]

nice post....

[Allcanadian]

@dR-Green

Have you ever noticed how the flow of information and idea's simply stops the moment a person with an ego enters the thread?. You have been doing some good work here and I would hate to see it dilluted by off topic posting from others.

Here is an good article on atmospheric energy and Plauson goes so far as to state his work is in fact based on the work of Nikola Tesla.
Hermann Plauson | Free Energy Community

As one person noted in another forum Plauson's tower would appear to be almost identical to that of Tesla's. The article also states that ..."By using two balloons in connection with a special condenser battery, the power obtained was 81-1/2 kilowatts in 24 hours. The actual current delivered was 6.8 amperes at 500 volts." Which is interesting considering most of the textbook experts have always been quite adamant that there is no practical amount of energy present in our atmosphere.

Now if we start looking at the bigger picture and the facts relating to it we may see that as Tesla said the Sun plays a major role in all energy sources on this planet. Hydro based energy is in fact indirect solar energy involving the water cycle, hydrocarbon energy is indirect solar energy stored over a very large time frame from organic matter. Solar cells convert infrared radiation (radiant energy ie... energy proceeding from a center... our Sun) indirectly into electrical energy and nantenna technology can convert these infrared wavelengths directly into electrical energy.

These conventional technologies are fairly intuitive or easy to grasp however when a person simply raises a balloon or antenna and then claims to produce power at Kilowatt levels many people tend to lose their grasp on reality. They say it is magic, they say it is improbable if not completely impossible however it is really not much different than a solar cell only the method of conversion has changed. Radiation from our Sun ionizes the atmosphere to a potential of 100v/m and the difference in potential at any elevation relative to ground(Voltage) and the rate of conduction(Current) of this potential represents electrical energy.

To be honest I'm not sure why this relatively simple process is so hard to understand nor why so many educated people who should know better apparently don't.

On a final note concerning the quote you posted by Tesla concerning his "tank at the bottom of a lake". I did the calculations over 15 years ago and yes, if the tank is vented to atmosphere and the water entering is completely transformed into hydrogen and oxygen then the process will become self-sustaining using conventional technology. It was not a thought experiment and is to be taken literally.

Regards
AC

[velacreations]

wow, let's recreate one of Plauson's generators! has anyone done this?

[wayne.ct]

I agree with you, dR.

A lot of people in this forum are simply fans of Tesla and don't really think very deeply about what he actually said or how he did his work or what it might actually mean. On top of that, we use many of his words differently now than the scientists of Tesla's day. A big one is the radiant energy idea. Nowadays, we call that radio and somehow people seem to think radiant is different when it really is not. Another one is the fact that we now talk freely about electrons and various positive and negative ions when those concepts were not understood in the same way we understand them today. So, a whole bunch of ignorant people say things that are utter nonsense.

I agree with you when you say Tesla was a scientist, not a mystic. Some people want to make him into a god when he was simply a very smart man who was way ahead of his time. There are plenty of sources of energy that we can tap, if we think creatively about them. I very much like the idea of tapping the temperature differences that are "just about everywhere". One could tap the difference in air temperature between night and day. I have thought about that one a lot recently. Dry climates could tap the temperature difference in the evaporation of water, for example.

The people that want to make money off of energy are going to want to keep their creations secret or patent them with obscure patents or bad-mouth anyone who might pose a competitive threat. It will be seen if the crooks and criminals will win and somehow manage to keep the free energy movement suppressed. It will take the open sharing of REAL discoveries to break the walls of secrecy, however. Everyone seems to want to sell their secrets for $$$ instead of helping experimenters PROVE the energy is easily captured and produced.

As long as we keep fighting over semantics we will be part of the problem and not part of the solution. You have pointed out some very important things that Tesla wrote about. People that are serious about understanding Tesla will listen.

[Farmhand]

Nice posts dR, a few of us have tried to point out before that Tesla intended to
transmit energy derived from natural sources "without magic" weather from
Hydro, atmospheric potential, or even cosmic radiations. The energy is collected.
Tesla's stuff doesn't "make" free energy like all the fan boys would shout all over
the internet, some of his stuff is for collecting or harnessing clean energy.

Here is a short video showing how a resonant power transmission should work
as Tesla intended in my opinion. With a very low idle "losses" and idle input,
but when a load is applied to the receiver the transmitter draws the collected
energy to transmit, in this case it is in the battery which was charged by a
solar panel. The little motor is powered from the receiver and when there is no
load the system idles "ready" to provide energy at the receiver output coil.
The motor is from a printer and is either low rpm or made for higher voltages.
The setup can spin the motor faster than the 12 volt battery can, but the
energy is provided by the battery. The power switch does not get hot or even
warm really because most of the power goes to the load, very little energy is
dissipated by the transistor. I have more video showing that the radiations are
non-existent at idle and using the energy from the field around the top
terminal does increase power draw of the transmitter.

Idling Tesla Coils - YouTube

Patent US1119732 - ELECTRICAL ENERGY - Google Patents

No need for complex calculations to understand the principal, the complex
calculations are for engineering the plant.

The power throughput is not restricted to the same as the idle input, the idle
input is almost nothing but switching costs. The throughput is restricted by
input voltage and the limitations of increasing the voltage/current of the system.

No steel or iron core ect. means no Iron losses. Losses are minimal.

We don't want to waste all the free energy we collect.

Efficiency when using the ground will require lower frequencies as Tesla says.

Cheers

[velacreations]

I think there is potential with collecting static electricity, like Tesla's radiant energy collector or Plauson's collectors above.

But, I don't see anybody making devices to collect any energy with them. Does that mean that these methods are not valid? not necessarily, but it may mean that it is not as easy as we would hope.

[Gav]

its alot easyer then everyone thinks. im sure everyone i making it alot more complicated then it really is. as ive said in the past, im only new to this so dont shoot me down haha but this is what ive seen in pics and read about, he had his antenna, then he had a coil that acted like a capacitor, it then come down to his system he had in place, it consisted of a tunner (more coils) a capacitor, a switching device and his transformer, we dont need the spark gap and he found it didnt work as well anyway. also if you notice his pancake coil on the wall of his house and in his workshop, there is 1 pic where he has a plug pluged into the centre of the coil and hes there working with his tools, so hat he is doing is very easy, he has an antenna and a ground, this creates "movement" then he had a coil that refills with energy instantly, as soon as it is taken. so he had a current coming down from his coil to his tunner, smaller coils, ampifying coils, a switching device that amplifyed and helped with the movement of current, it as stored into his capacitor "like device" (in teslas words), the pancake coil on his all was charged by the capacitor, when he pluged it in and pulsed the coil i bet he would get alot of energy out of it.. its all about capacity and movement, you dont need a big pancake coil (but would work alot better) just thick wire coils (capacity), have them all running in the same direction to each other, even over each other to help the flow, this guy explains the concept well, listen to what hes saying and think of this at the same time
UNLIMITED FREE ENERGY IDENTIFIED Part 2 - YouTube

its really alot easyer then everyone thinks, hopefully ill get my new meter tomorrow and ill set mine up, ill let you al know how i go, hopefuly it will run a motor this time

[Gav]

sorry for the bad spelling haha some of my keys dont work properly
my next little project is to put an electric motor in my boat, also im going to make it a floating battery it lives in the water out the front so it may aswell recharge itself at the same time

[velacreations]

Gav, I'd be interested to hear the results from your experiments.

I agree, it seems simple, but most people who have tried gain mW of energy, basically nothing.

Plauson's system was on a big scale, and he was claiming kW energy harvested. I haven't seen his experiments recreated, though.

even if someone was able to harvest 10 watts, it would be significant, but I have yet to see that. Does anyone have any examples of people harvesting more than a few miliwatts?