Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

Or many English people have been dumbed down so much we don't even speak our own language as good as people not from England!


Update 20th December 2012

Here are some preview shots of the new parts from the machinist.





These parts should arrive this week all being good.

All the aluminium threaded parts have been made from scratch.

The wheel was laser cut and then machined.

4 bearings are pressed in for now.

The M4 x 6mm stainless steel grub screws were off the shelf.


I have already received most of the stainless steel off the shelf nuts and bolts.

More pics to come.

Cheers,

Paul

[purelyprimitives]

Looking good Paul!!

Are the bearings oneway?

Regards,
Charlie

[soundiceuk]

Hi Charlie, yes the bearings are one way.

The smallest I could find.

4mm ID, 8mm OD x 6mm Length

HF Series One Way Needle Clutch Roller Bearings | eBay




The wheel should bolt straight onto this hub.




Just pricing up the parts to test the guide roller idea.


I can't decide whether or not the one way bearings would be necessary if the guide roller idea works.

The other question I am pondering is:

Mikhail's prototype 11 apparently runs on its own with 32 elements.

If this is true then having much larger weights could possibly remove the need for an input motor when a certain amount of weight is used. The input would only be needed to start the device and not maintain it.

[purelyprimitives]

Hi Paul,

I can't decide whether or not the one way bearings would be necessary if the guide roller idea works.

Yes, that was my reason for asking. To me, they wouldn't seem necessary.

The other question I am pondering is:

Mikhail's prototype 11 apparently runs on its own with 32 elements.

If this is true then having much larger weights could possibly remove the need for an input motor when a certain amount of weight is used. The input would only be needed to start the device and not maintain it.

Hmmm. Based on the video of it running without the motor you could be correct!

Charlie

[Gdez]

magnetic "cushion"

The ramp has been tried by many Bessler fans-it creates friction. Ron just made some observations about this recently. But using magnets, strategically placed at possibly 2, or several places along the outer or inner diameter should not only help the process, but eliminate friction all together.
Mikhail shows this in some of his ideas also.
Happy Holidays,
Greg

[soundiceuk]

Hi Paul, I got an email from Mikhail today and he said "My thanks to the guys who replicate my devices".

Mikhail isn't in good health at the moment.


Here is one statement that feels good.

"inertia in my devices also makes the most of the work"

What do you make of that guys?


Also, there is a new website underway. Screw paying $1500 for gravitationalengine.com

I thought my $250 bid was over the top already.


Update 21st December

I have assembled most of the 1:3 scale model just for a trial fit. A few little rubs and taps and it has gone together quite nicely.

Now that I have something real in front of me, rather than 3D in Solidworks my imagination is running wild.

I need to get some shaft collars or hose clips to stop the element shafts moving side to side.

The tip (lean) of the shafts is pretty bad, I hadn't anticipated it moving much after basic experiments with the shafts and bearings.

I may get another disc cut and a spacer so that the bearing span is wider, therefore two bearings per element.

I'm planning some experiments to work out the safe load of the 4mm titanium bar. I've have had 3kg swinging on it with no flex so far.

I have come up with a number of manufacturing / assembling improvements.

Pictures coming soon.

I also need to make a video.

Happy holidays everyone!

Cheers,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

The ramp has been tried by many Bessler fans-it creates friction. Ron just made some observations about this recently. But using magnets, strategically placed at possibly 2, or several places along the outer or inner diameter should not only help the process, but eliminate friction all together.
Mikhail shows this in some of his ideas also.
Happy Holidays,
Greg

I'm pretty certain this can be run now without magnets and one way bearings.

The next stage would be to incorporate a starter motor and alternator into the design.

Not driven from a belt, gear or pulley, but built into the system.

Hmmm, need to carry out some tests with longer element arm first.

I have asked Mikhail some questions about prototype 12.

[purelyprimitives]

The next stage would be to incorporate a starter motor and alternator into the design.

Not driven from a belt, gear or pulley, but built into the system.

OK you piqued my interest How would one do this?

I have asked Mikhail some questions about prototype 12.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that he will produce something so incredibly simple that all of our efforts thus far will seem like overkill...

Charlie

[stanlez2010]

Interesting machine

Hi All,

I watching all videos from Mikhail D. Its very interesting project.
Only one thing that make little disturbing effect, is revolution per minute.

Because, we know, that with increasing RPM, raise output energy. Second
noise make louder, because all is from metal.

On other side 2 or 3 improvements and making small replica can be simple made.
If I will be made replica, I need of course more informations, about: U, I, RPM,
dimensions, materials, sound or noise by running machine...

Thanks to all.

[Gdez]

Fun indeed!

"Now that I have something real in front of me, rather than 3D in Solidworks my imagination is running wild."
Just be careful over the holiday! Watch the hands when whippin those weights around. I just had little finger smash and I won't be putting my car keys in my left pocket for another day or two.
Happy holidays,
Greg

[soundiceuk]

OK you piqued my interest How would one do this?

I'm not entirely sure.

When I used to work as an Automobile Association Patrol I remember talking about the future of cars.

I remember talks about 36 / 48v systems using solenoids to replace camshafts and clutches that encorporated the starter and alternator in one unit.

It is all down to RPM really. I know generators that turn at low RPM are considerably larger than generators with high RPM.

The shaft of the wheel becomes the shaft of the motor / generator.

The components would more than likely be completely custom.

I have contacts that could design such things if that ever became viable.

Running a belt or chain is no big deal, just lossy.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that he will produce something so incredibly simple that all of our efforts thus far will seem like overkill...

Charlie

Hopefully Mikhail will answer my questions soon.

I've got a feeling that it doesn't need a motor to maintain it, only to start it.

I don't think our efforts are overkill, they are helping us to understand every aspect of the device.

I reckon if we threw your prototype at a design team, they would have great fun with it and come up with something pretty cool that works.

Cheers,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Hi All,

I watching all videos from Mikhail D. Its very interesting project.
Only one thing that make little disturbing effect, is revolution per minute.

Because, we know, that with increasing RPM, raise output energy. Second
noise make louder, because all is from metal.

On other side 2 or 3 improvements and making small replica can be simple made.
If I will be made replica, I need of course more informations, about: U, I, RPM,
dimensions, materials, sound or noise by running machine...

Thanks to all.

Hi, the device is all about torque. However there may be some variables to increase the RPM. One of them is adding more weight.

The 1:3 scale replica I am playing with only makes noises from the one way bearings at the moment.

Mikhail's has the chain & generator noises too.

If the device was boxed into a frame with yacht engine soundproofing stuck onto aluminium panels you wouldn't even know it was there.

Compare that to a stinky diesel engine. (Which Rudolf Diesel orginally designed to run on hemp [cannabis] oil btw).


Which improvements do you refer to?

What is U and I?

How big a replica do you wish to make?

I would wait until the guys who are already building have got a bit further before jumping in and building anything. I cannot stop you though.

What is your first language?

Welcome to the thread

Cheers,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

"Now that I have something real in front of me, rather than 3D in Solidworks my imagination is running wild."
Just be careful over the holiday! Watch the hands when whippin those weights around. I just had little finger smash and I won't be putting my car keys in my left pocket for another day or two.
Happy holidays,
Greg

Hi Greg, sorry to hear about your accident.

I'm trying to be careful. No accidents yet. I have smashed my finger nail with a large copper hammer in the past. It hurt nearly as much as shutting my finger in a car door. The most painfull thing that happened to one of my fingers was being shot with a BB gun right in the middle of the nail, that was intense.

I'm glad it is only a 1:3 replica. My two eldest daughters are fascinated by it. They keep saying "Dad, can I spin the big wheel".

I keep telling them that the aim is to make it spin itself.

Got some more studding and shaft collars on there way. Hopefully they will arrive before the new year so I can conclude the experiments with 4 elements.

I am still deciding on whether to either get another wheel and a spacer made to extend the bearing support.

or

Take out the existing bearings and upgrade to a 6mm ID x 10mm OD x 15mm length.

This means drilling out all the holes in the existing wheel and replacing the 4mm titanium shafts with 6mm shafts, and also drilling out the aluminium weight hangers.

Hmmm.... I will have to price it all up.

I'm glad I stuck with just 4 elements otherwise I would be kicking myself

All the best,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Hi everyone, I haven't received my shaft collars or studding so experiments have stalled.

I have planned a video to demonstrate my findings so far.

My opinion is that the 1:3 scale model easily demonstrates how little off balance is needed for rotation.

Studying the design has led to me coming up with a commercial design with a 480mm diameter. 1/3 of prototype 11's diameter.

I think I have figured out where Mikhail is going with the design.

Small wheel and longer arms, but more stages.

However I believe he is going to be using a method similar to prototype 6 and Charlie's method.

The thickest bar I can find is 3" stainless steel! Mikhail's is 60mm diameter mild steel.

The one way bearings I'm looking at are 20mm.

My obervations lead me to believe that at a certain weight the arms will naturally swing over using centrifugal force, inertia and gravity.

Without a load an increase in RPM will continue until SOMETHING happens.

Hmmmm.... how to control the something.

New website coming in 2013.

I also have a friend coming onboard full time who will be helping with the assembly manual, documentation & website.

- Happy New Year 2013 -

Best regards,

Paul Townley

[purelyprimitives]

Good morning Paul,

Hi everyone, I haven't received my shaft collars or studding so experiments have stalled.

I have planned a video to demonstrate my findings so far.

My opinion is that the 1:3 scale model easily demonstrates how little off balance is needed for rotation.

Can't wait to see your video! And I agree completely with your opinion!

I think I have figured out where Mikhail is going with the design.

Small wheel and longer arms, but more stages.

However I believe he is going to be using a method similar to prototype 6 and Charlie's method.

I'm familiar with Charlie's method but which one was prototype 6?

My obervations lead me to believe that at a certain weight the arms will naturally swing over using centrifugal force, inertia and gravity.

Without a load an increase in RPM will continue until SOMETHING happens.

Hmmmm.... how to control the something.

Perhaps a variable load with some form of speed sensor for feedback?

New website coming in 2013.

Will this be the new gravityengine.com?

- Happy New Year 2013 -

Back at you and to everyone here. Let's hope that 2013 is a break-through year for free energy!

Best regards,

Charlie