Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

These are the wheels I have. Just one of each shown in picture.

The 5mm aluminium 450mm wheels 0.8kg each

The 5mm steel 800mm wheels 26kg each

The 6mm aluminium 1000mm wheels 2.5kg each


I made bigger ones for the big framed prototype but then decided to go back to small once as tuning 8 pendulums isn't going to be cheap for anyone!

[citfta]

I didn't draw this, it was copied from BesslerWheel.com

I believe this shows Bessler's secret.

Imagine this with 8 pendulums fitted with one way bearings. Bessler was most probably using rathet and pawl mechanism instead.

Ignore the right angled red parts. The pendulums do this movement naturally anyway.

My build is the same thing but with the 8 pendulum axles on the outer circumference of the wheel.

This is because I am not hiding the mechanism that allows a continuous movement due to the swinging of the weights.

Bessler didn't have that luxury.

Imagine where we would be now in history if the mechanism was given away to the public for free!

"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."

- Johann E. E. Bessler, 1717

You are saying to disregard the right angles on the pendulums because they will move naturally without those right angles. I don't understand your thinking as to how that will happen. If the centrifugal force will cause the weights to swing out to the right as they come past the top then that same force is going to prevent them from swinging down after they go past the bottom of the rotation. In other words if the wheel is turning fast enough to cause the weights to swing out without any other force applied to them, then the wheel is going to be going fast enough to prevent the weights from coming back in without some other force acting on them.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[soundiceuk]

I probably didn't explain it very well in words.

If you look at the animated gif, it appears to animate the pendulums swinging out based of the red right angle.

The reality I have seen with two weights is they are levers from the moment they fully swing out until the moment when they swing out again. For around 1/2 the rotation.

This is going to change with 8 pendulums as 8 pulses in one rotation instead of 2 pulses.

Plus I think the environment is going to contribute too.

I'm only a few days away now from showing something to verify this idea.

Probably best to analyse the real thing rather than an animated gif... but it kind of tells a story of how Bessler's first wheel may have been built.

How he figured the next wheels to turn both directions with torque I've not worked out yet.

Still time though haha!

[soundiceuk]

You are saying to disregard the right angles on the pendulums because they will move naturally without those right angles. I don't understand your thinking as to how that will happen. If the centrifugal force will cause the weights to swing out to the right as they come past the top then that same force is going to prevent them from swinging down after they go past the bottom of the rotation. In other words if the wheel is turning fast enough to cause the weights to swing out without any other force applied to them, then the wheel is going to be going fast enough to prevent the weights from coming back in without some other force acting on them.

Respectfully,
Carroll

On a another note maybe with the right angles and some stops it is the optimally tuned version.

My first thoughts was it was just there for the animation to work.

[soundiceuk]

What I've learnt from having different weight wheels and different quality pillow block bearings, with different diameter main shafts is:

1. The heavier the main shaft, the more friction.

2. The heavier the wheel, the more friction.

3. The thicker the main shaft, the more friction.

4. Main shaft bearing alignment is critical and pillow block bearings are difficult to accurately align.

My conclusion is that in order for a perpetual motion to occur, the wheels and main shaft need to be as light and strong as possible.

Having larger weights will create more torque.

I believe having static weights on circumference of wheel is best place to increase torque as well as pendulums.

Still loads of experiments to go through.

[soundiceuk]

Here is a teaser shot of new weights, arms and one way bearings.

[soundiceuk]

I visited the engineering company today to check on progress. I expected the prototype to be completed today.

Unfortunately it isn't finished yet. We are going to have to wait until Monday / Tuesday now

Will update ASAP!

[soundiceuk]

For anyone who is on the edge of their seat as much as I am. The prototype is going to be finished tomorrow. So whatever happens, expect to see the results!

[TheVisitorV]

i follow this thread since it was opened...lol...

good luck!

[soundiceuk]

The prototype didn't work as expected.

However, is has shown that the version could work with a small electromagnet pulsed at the point the mild steel weight is swinging out.

It would need a timing mechanism.

I'm certain this wasn't the mechanism used by Bessler now.

Has anyone ever built a wheel with the one way bearings fastened around the hub but not on the main axle?

"Weights were heard hitting the side of the wheel going down. "
- eyewitness accounts

Weights came to be placed together, arranged one against another.
- Bessler

Weights applied force at right angles to the axis.
- Bessler


I see a domino effect happening with that version much more that I see it with the one in my new video.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7c47y851h..._2642.MOV?dl=0

In this video there is a window of time where the domino effect of this prototype can be seen.

If you look at around the 9 o'clock position a timed pulsed electromagnetic would nicely keep it running and could be scaled up with passive flywheels to match the active flywheel (pendulum/levers).

The current passive flywheels are only 0.8kg. Nothing to store the energy gained from the levers.

It could also be scaled to any size and because the weights are swinging. They wants to be attracted easily, as are already in motion.



The only other way I could see Bessler getting enough leverage to lift a grown man is switching the levers to almost on the main axle but not on it. Would that create the domino effect we are waiting to find. It appears it wouldn't have the negative oscillation of this version. Would it even need one way bearings? or would the collosions act like dominos?

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plw718jHth8[/VIDEO]

Going to build something to test the theory.

I'll leave you with this video which I find interesting.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfo0OnUfd9I[/VIDEO]

[TheVisitorV]

why you don't use a deflector wheel like mikail? try a passive one then maye a motorized one...

you'll probably need to use some extensions on one side of the wheels's weight but i guess that would be the ordinary course of action.

Anyway congratulations on going so far! and ty for sharing your findings with us.

[citfta]

Why!

I also don't understand why you have not tried to build a wheel like Mikail's. He shows a wheel that appears to work. Yet as far as I can recall in all your efforts you have not once built a wheel with the active deflectors to move the arms out. This last wheel is a beautiful build but not according to what Mikail has shown that supposedly works.

As I tried to explain in a previous post, if the wheel is turning fast enough for centrifugal force to make the arms swing out then that same force is not going to allow the arms to swing back in when they get to the other side of the wheel. And that is exactly what we see in your video.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[soundiceuk]

I priced up the wheel of Mikhail's.

No weights, no arms, no gearing, no anything else but the wheel.

It was £1000 to get the metal, cut, roll the rim, weld the spoke and hub accurately.

If I had the money I could build an exact replication. I have the schematics.

I'm still chasing Besslers wheel as only environment input needed. No arguments about input / output!

I'd be happy to build a full scale replication of Mikhails but I've exhausted r&d funds.

Mikhail didn't need the deflector wheel... it gave the same results without it!

There is a way to harness nature with a wheel... this prototype has possibly revealed it to me and hopefully others if they understand what I've written in my last post.

I've proved I have the capability to build high quality machines. Now just need to figure out the right machine.

I'm sure Mikhails works as he said. However it has opened the search for the ultimate.

[citfta]

I priced up the wheel of Mikhail's.

No weights, no arms, no gearing, no anything else but the wheel.

It was £1000 to get the metal, cut, roll the rim, weld the spoke and hub accurately.

If I had the money I could build an exact replication. I have the schematics.

I'm still chasing Besslers wheel as only environment input needed. No arguments about input / output!

I'd be happy to build a full scale replication of Mikhails but I've exhausted r&d funds.

Mikhail didn't need the deflector wheel... it gave the same results without it!

There is a way to harness nature with a wheel... this prototype has possibly revealed it to me and hopefully others if they understand what I've written in my last post.

I've proved I have the capability to build high quality machines. Now just need to figure out the right machine.

I'm sure Mikhails works as he said. However it has opened the search for the ultimate.

Do you have a video or some other evidence to support the claim I have highlighted? I have not seen any videos showing his wheel operating without the deflection wheel. That would be an amazing thing to see.

Thanks,
Carroll

[soundiceuk]

Page 4 of the thread.

Here is a video Mikhail already had filmed. It isn't exactly what you have asked for.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l1cojripb...deflects.mp4?m


Our latest correspondence:
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"Hi Paul,

Was the case when the chain broke at full speed.
This chain in the transmission from the main shaft to the deflecting shaft.

Bike's wheel was not mounted on the shaft.
Incidentally, deviation of weights very well perform the power of inertia. Video attached.

Then the big wheel spins very long.

After 15 min. tired of waiting and tried to stop by hands.
It is very hard and can damage the hands. Let no one does that!

Transmission.
From a main shaft to the deflecting wheel shaft, there two stages with a total transfer of 8: 1.

Further to the motor and the generator, the transmission depends on their parameters (speed).

Best regards,

Mikhail Dmitriev
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Hi Mikhail,

Prototype 11:

a) Is the motor/generator receiving any power in the video attachment or is the PR6000 not connected to a 220v / 50hz wall socket?

b) Have you calculated the torque output of the fully working unit?

Prototype 12:

"In the prototype 12, I propose use the other mechanic and electrical schematics.

It will be a mobile device that is placed in the trunk of a car."

a) I would love to know what the "other mechanic and electrical schematics" are?

b) Prototype 12 will be small enough to be placed in the trunk of a car? This is intriquing........ you have excited the people following your work.

Best regards,

Paul 8-)

Of course I will post his reply

Mikhail said he will be writing to those who contributed so far to thank them.