Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

Now you've seen Mikhail's video with no deflector titled "Inertia Deflects"

And also this video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfo0OnUfd9I[/VIDEO]

What is missing from the latest prototype?

[soundiceuk]

If Mikhail's wheel has 250kg rotating mass and the weights weigh 192kg in total, then the wheel weighs 58kg....

If my weights are approx 8kg and the wheels are just 0.8kg each. Then increasing the wheels should increase the speed enough to deflect on its own.

Put this on passive magnetic bearings and you have a perpetual motion.

[soundiceuk]

This is very quickly drawn but I think it will help to explain what my previous posts are referring too.

In my new design the pendulums are placed in pretty much the opposite of having them on the outer edge.

They are still fitted with one way bearings which allow the weights to freewheel which creates a massive difference in weight with the fat kid on the see saw and no one on the other side.

Centrifugal force assists!

[soundiceuk]

Been pondering this new design a lot and apart from I've lost one of my 20mm taper lock bushes I have everything I need to build it.

So, just need one 20mm taper lock bush and have holes to drill.

I'm going to start off with two pendulums.

The pendulums will be used from the new prototype with the 26kg wheels from a previous prototype.

Using a small weight 1kg to lift a large weight 26kg.

Results will be interesting I know already!

I'll have this made before next weekend.

[soundiceuk]

Built the prototype today and it has led to the discovery of Besslers two way machine.

I'll have to draw something to explain, but it is so simple I'm surprised no one else has figured it out!

[TheVisitorV]

are you still among us?

[john_g]

are you still among us?

I had the same worry! Pleased to say he is still with us, just busy sorting diagram.

Kind regards

John

[soundiceuk]

I'm struggling with a diagram at the moment.

A description of Besslers one way machine is below. The two way machine mimicks the same movement both ways but the mechanism is more complicated.

Here goes:

"Assuming your wheel is turning counterclockwise, from 12 to 6 (going backwards), the weight of the arm will make it want to fall counterclockwise. The stop to the left of each arm will prevent that. From 6 to 12 (also backwards), the weight will make the arm fall clockwise. The stop on the left of the arm will not prevent that."

Johann Bessler - Orffyreus - Clues to the Wheel's Design


Weights came to be placed together, arranged one against another.
- Bessler

Weights gained force from their own swinging.
- Bessler

Weights applied force at right angles to the axis.
- Bessler

The machine's power was directly proportional to its diameter.
- Bessler

"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."
- Johann E. E. Bessler, 1717


The weights need to domino into each other so it does the effect in this video to kick the weights round to there 12 o'clock stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8

The stop is not just a stop. It is a fulcrum to lever the wheel on a different plane.

[TheVisitorV]

glad to know ur ok

[soundiceuk]

Please re-read the above text as missed a bit out in cut and paste.

Can anyone draw what the mechanical engineer described?

If you do the maths of the weight of left and right it is the most different it can be.

It fits all of Besslers clues.

[purelyprimitives]

I'm struggling with a diagram at the moment.



The weights need to domino into each other so it does the effect in this video to kick the weights round to there 12 o'clock stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8

The stop is not just a stop. It is a fulcrum to lever the wheel on a different plane.

I don't think this will work the same way that Newton's cradle works because all the weights will be in motion. Newton's cradle transfers energy through a static mass.

[TheVisitorV]

is this what ur referring to ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_q9sDatCCw

[TheVisitorV]

not sure if this is fake or real but seems similar to what your trying to describe in some of your posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9YLkoJz7rM

[TheVisitorV]

I don't think this will work the same way that Newton's cradle works because all the weights will be in motion. Newton's cradle transfers energy through a static mass.

is this your channel?

https://www.youtube.com/user/purelyprimitives/videos

[soundiceuk]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI6mhdT1YI[/VIDEO]

A bit like this but with 8 weights, no hinges and the weights kick each other.

If you can imagine the main axle as the sun and the 8 pivots as the planets surrounding the sun.

Then you have 8 stops which create 8 separate fulcrums for the 8 weighted arms

The arms are levering a lever.

The arms collide and if you've ever studied moving already in motion it continues it on its way if hit.

Think swing ball!

If you hit a ball already moving it accelerates because it isn't going from standing start.