Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[markusbraunfe]

contribute of the centrifugal force during deflection

When each weight gets deflected by the small wheel, it accelerates along a radial path (around the pivot point of the one way bearings).
Since the small wheel's linear velocity is higher than the big wheel's velocity,
the centrifugal force that appears at the pivot point of the weight should be
Fcf=m*(delta_v)^2/r
where delta_v is the difference between linear velocity of the small wheel minus linear velocity of the big wheel at a radius where the weights hang from the pivot points. I think this force should not be ingored since it will give a considerable impulse to the pivot point which increases the rotation of the big wheel.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

NO, think again

I hadn't fully studied Mikhail's prototype 11.

addition 2. Input with a wheel - YouTube

3:19

As I suspected like in some of his previous prototypes, the deflecting elements have a free swing but only a certain amount of travel.

When the deflecting elements reach the 11 o'clock postion the centrifugal force swings them over into the bike tyre which make them hit a stop.

The weights then fall down and hit another stop.

You can bet Mikhail has worked out the best angles for maximum torque.

HI, I think you need to think about it more. The weighted arms need to be able to move through 360 degrees CC wise in one rev: C wise of the main wheel. Also I think "maybe" they are mounted on one way bearings at the wheel circumference or maybe not, but he did say it would not work without this in reply to a comment on youtube!

I have done a lot on gravity wheels back on a thread which Peter started some time ago and my feelings are that this does work, but, I can't say what power output can be obtained as it would depend on the weight differencial between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and the velocity of the wheel, all in relation to the drag of the generator under load and the small wheel moving the weights out, but this could be calculated if we know the numbers!!!

Question.... is the motor a three phase wired as part motor and part generator!!!!!! as there are a lot of wires coming out of it! if so is there a transformer action between input and output!!! and that is why he is giving input and output power ratings!! I think so and the wheel and weights are supplying enough to counter the drag of the generator part on the motor, in other words a 1KW drag on the motor for supplying 3KW on the generator/induction side. A UFO motor would be better thinking about it
and the laugh is because in reality it is so simple that nobody had seen it, or have they!!!

So to recap, the wheel only has to overcome the generator drag+other friction, the rest comes for free.

I love it and breaks NO LAWS

Mike

[soundiceuk]

HI, I think you need to think about it more. The weighted arms need to be able to move through 360 degrees CC wise in one rev: C wise of the main wheel. Also I think "maybe" they are mounted on one way bearings at the wheel circumference or maybe not, but he did say it would not work without this in reply to a comment on youtube!

Michael you are totally on the ball with your reply. I suspected the shaft had 90 degree cut out or there were mechanical stops.

I have studied the 4 videos again and the stills are the most telling.

You are absolutely right, the one way bearings are at the wheel circumference and if you look closely at the pic previously posted on page 1 you will see the weights are held in position with bolts and the bearing is pressed into the bracket that bolts to the wheel.

I have done a lot on gravity wheels back on a thread which Peter started some time ago and my feelings are that this does work, but, I can't say what power output can be obtained as it would depend on the weight differencial between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and the velocity of the wheel, all in relation to the drag of the generator under load and the small wheel moving the weights out, but this could be calculated if we know the numbers!!!

It looks to me that the weights are delfected and as you said, when the wheel turns, the weights do too but only in the direction that will assist in moving the centre of gravity away from the centre of the spindle.

When the weights get back round to the 10-11 o'clock position they are swung over and contact the bike tyre which because it is being turned at a higher revolution than the main spindle violently throws / bounces the weights out assisting even more.

Mikhail would describe each deflecting event as a kick.

I think that maybe the bike tyre could be replaced with some very strong diametrically magnetized neodymium magnets in the right place. Although each element would need a magnet and the cost would rocket.

Question.... is the motor a three phase wired as part motor and part generator!!!!!! as there are a lot of wires coming out of it! if so is there a transformer action between input and output!!! and that is why he is giving input and output power ratings!! I think so and the wheel and weights are supplying enough to counter the drag of the generator part on the motor, in other words a 1KW drag on the motor for supplying 3KW on the generator/induction side. A UFO motor would be better thinking about it
and the laugh is because in reality it is so simple that nobody had seen it, or have they!!!

So to recap, the wheel only has to overcome the generator drag+other friction, the rest comes for free.

I love it and breaks NO LAWS

Mike

He isn't using fancy bearings on the main shaft etc from what I can see.

Bones Reds Skateboard Bearings or Go skate and stop wasting your life on the internet - YouTube

Or even magnetic bearings:

Frictionless (Almost) Permanant Magnetic Bearing - YouTube

Levitated Rotation Test - YouTube


A UFO motor would be cool. Combining multiple technologies is definately the way forward.

This company makes some cool generators that may be suited too.

Wind turbine alternator | Alxion

I love it too and I'm a big fan.

[soundiceuk]

Still I don't think any conclusions can be made by using lights and ratings on the back of appliances.

The thing to do would be to show the killo Watt meter reading zero with
whatever load is required for it to do that.

Take load off it until the killo watt meter reads zero or very little and see what load is running with no net input.

Hi Farmhand,

I am now back in email contact with Mikhail, his English is pretty good.

I know a few Russian speaking folks on this forum who may be able to translate too, if there are any problems with translation between myself and Mikhail.

I have offered to draw prototype 11 in Solidworks.

I will also get a wiring diagram too.


I am trying to work out exactly what you want Mikhail to do to demonstrate the device is making more power out than in. Please can you elaborate in detail on your ideas?

I believe if we can satisfy yourself, as I know you are quite particular, then hopefully it won't be hard to convince others and generate some funds to release the information globally as a smart phone app / pdf etc.. for global coverage.

I already have a press team in place waiting for Perreault's / Moray's Earth ION Energy technology, so best to use a technology that doesn't use any special materials as the front runner.

I don't think there could be a technology more simple to understand than this gravity wheel.

Also does anyone have any experience in animating Solidworks files or would like to help draw schematics of the components in 2D or 3D?

Also please can anyone write any suggestions / questions for Mikhail. Also if anyone would like to donate money and / or components I can facilitate this for you.

Best regards,

Paul

[Farmhand]

I don't "want" him to do anything in particular. I just said what my opinions
are.

But I do get what you are saying, If the machine gets to a point where it
begins to self sustain then this is one of the things I would try to do to show it,
please bear with me.

I understand a load may be needed to get to a point where extra energy can
be shown. So if the load is the same as the video, with 1 kW input and almost
3 kW output with the machine running. Then simply remove loads starting with
the grinder then the heater then the light globes one by one until the meter
reads close to zero Watts input. When the meter reads zero Watts input and
a load is running then we could see it was being powered for free, as plain as
the nose on a face.

If the machine is driving the generator faster than the synchronous speed it
should be able to show output to it's power supply, with no external load.

I don't want to sound like a broken record or make accusations but the heater
could have it's heater element disconnected and be only powering the
fan/gearbox for movement.

I always get suspicious when power rating stickers are shown rather than
power measurements.

Cheers

[soundiceuk]

I don't "want" him to do anything in particular. I just said what my opinions are.

But I do get what you are saying, If the machine gets to a point where it
begins to self sustain then this is one of the things I would try to do to show it,
please bear with me.

I understand a load may be needed to get to a point where extra energy can
be shown. So if the load is the same as the video, with 1 kW input and almost
3 kW output with the machine running. Then simply remove loads starting with
the grinder then the heater then the light globes one by one until the meter
reads close to zero Watts input. When the meter reads zero Watts input and
a load is running then we could see it was being powered for free, as plain as
the nose on a face.

If the machine is driving the generator faster than the synchronous speed it
should be able to show output to it's power supply, with no external load.

I don't want to sound like a broken record or make accusations but the heater
could have it's heater element disconnected and be only powering the
fan/gearbox for movement.

I always get suspicious when power rating stickers are shown rather than
power measurements.

Cheers

Sorry my wording isn't always the best.





There are various screens for this Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000.

I have difficulty making it out in the video.

I notice the video quality is only 480p too.

Would 30 x 100 watt bulbs be better with the monitor next to them so they can all be removed and then put in one by one?

I can donate some money for this purpose.

Some hydroponics grow film attached to the walls too as it is 95% reflective. This will improve the video quality immensely.

I would like to capture the wheel from a sidewards shot with a decent camera so the movement can be seen in slow motion too.

Just some ideas to throw into the pot.

I have a 600w metal halide bulb and ballast I can donate, but the ballast weighs loads. It would probably be cheaper to order one from Russia!

Mikhail states that this prototype 11 is capable of 10kw.

I bet a 10kw generator isn't cheap!

[Guruji]

Loop

I think this guy should try closing the loop and see what happens.
Thanks for sharing.

[darkwanderer]

Great work congratulations first.

Maybe mikhail should change to permanent magnet generator... Because asynchronous motor doesn't have magnetic field itself to create electricity. Because of that without powering asynhronous motor you cannot produce electricity...

[soundiceuk]

Here is Mikhail's latest video. I see he has taken some of your advice.

Apart from a better camera and painting the walls white, what does anyone think could be done better to demonstrate the device?

What about 10kw generator and 100 x 100w bulbs?

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addition5.Full active load

addition5.Full active load - YouTube

This type of frequency inverter (Prostar PR6000) has maximal load of 1500 W.


This model of the inverter (chastotnik) has a maximum power of 1.5 kW. Under a heavy load protection triggers. Shows the connection of a purely resistive load (incandescent) 2 kW and 3 kW for fixed wheel (overload) and a rotating wheel (no overload).

[drak]

I wonder if anyone has attempted to replicate this yet.

[soundiceuk]

I don't know if anyone has but it is gaining interest.

I am very interested in using an electromagnet for the deflection and some very high quality bearings for the main shaft.

I have the schematics and Mikhail would like me to sell them for a small amount of money per interested person to help perpetuate the research and development.

















Even though my financial situtation isn't too good at the moment I have donated £15 via paypal to pay for some brilliant white paint for the walls, and some labels for the wiring.

I have asked about the self looping.

I await a response.



Questions:

a. Is the mass of the rim critical in relation to the weights?

b. How many degrees of movement are the clutches allowed in between bites?

c. Is the mass of the weights critical, could they be 500gm lighter or heavier and the machine still work, or is there a critical relation between mass and centrifugal force/wheel diameter?


Answers:


a. Mass of the rim not critical in relation to the weights. It creates a moment of inertia, but does not create additional torque.

b. Good clutch virtually no movement in the counter rotating.

c. The mass of the weights creates inertia and torque of the wheel. It selected as the maximum for a given size and speed of rotation of the wheel.


Best regards,

Paul

[iflewmyown]

schematics

How much does he want for a copy of the schematic. I assume you mean the drawings and sizes of the various parts.
Thanks
Garry

[Farmhand]

I must say those pictures are much better than the video. It sure is a nice creation.
He has done a good job, just looking at it I can see how it could work (I think).
Because my trade is metal fabrication the first thing I look at is the welding,
which is a bit rough, but if it holds together it's all good. The rest of it looks
quite good.
The second thing I thought was I wondered if the effect could be increased by
kicking the weights toward the center on the other side as it goes up to
unbalance it further, I think maybe if the weights were kicked in near the
bottom on the other side (with another kicker) then by the time the weight
got to the top it would be hanging down and ready for another kick. Not sure.
Maybe a way to increase the power for the size of the unit though.

One concern is it looks like a real mangler for children or the unwary, a
dangerous machine indeed.

It does look like a machine that works.

Cheers

P.S. An electrical drawing would be nice to see how the load is powered.

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[5150]

Im new here

Man I just came across this cool site and thread after looking up free energy on the internet

I got a question 4 u all who was the first person to have this idea of a energy wheel cuz I was trippin that it was that artist dude Da Vinci can anyone tell me if I am write?

[drak]

The second thing I thought was I wondered if the effect could be increased by
kicking the weights toward the center on the other side as it goes up to
unbalance it further, I think maybe if the weights were kicked in near the
bottom on the other side (with another kicker) then by the time the weight
got to the top it would be hanging down and ready for another kick. Not sure.
Maybe a way to increase the power for the size of the unit though.

I believe you are correct, I thought of that too.