Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

Mikhail's communication can be a little random. Almost two weeks now apart from the latest video addition 6.

As far as I'm aware prototype 12 hasn't been built yet.

I haven't read that it will produce more power either.

I'm just eager to get moving on it.

[soundiceuk]

I have just reread the whole thread again and have an idea.

Forget the deflection for a moment.

How about connect a motor to the other side of the main shaft powered by the mains.

In between the mains and motor fit a voltage controller to allow the optimum speed of the wheel to be found.

Measure volts / amps in and volts / amps out to see if the torque is being amplified enough to create a COP >1.0

Then compare the results experimenting with deflectors.

[Gdez]

replicating

Hi all,
I am also trying to build Mikhails device but progress is slow. I really like the replication that was posted and my main wheel is close to that size (5'7" dia.). Even though the person doing the replication is too far along for this advice to be helpful, maybe it will be helpful to others. Woopy had mentioned somewhere that he also had problems with the shafts for the one way bearings and what I was planning to use was small pieces of pipe. Generally pipe is not sized correctly to be a good shaft for bearings of this sort, but if when you cut a piece of pipe down it's length, it tends to spring open. It can then be clamped down,slid through the bearing and released for a tight fit. This has worked well for me on other projects and is cheap and requires no machining. Holes can then be drilled through the pipe to support the hanging weights.
In regards to the video that shows the weights being kicked up at 7:00, I think it is a good idea, but that a tire spinning clockwise to kick the weights up at that position would create friction and drag counter to the clockwise rotation of the main wheel. Possibly some type of magnet ramp to gently start guiding the weights, without the impact?
Personally, I plan to try to start with building the main device as mikhail has, then play with manipulating the weights at other angles.
I have my main wheel built and am working on the frame and shaft. What would be helplul to me at this point is to get a better idea as to the gearing, as this is slowing down my progress on the main shaft. I saw a pretty good diagram of the drive system on this thread, but what I could use are the exact gear ratio's. I would be interested in purchasing Mikhail's plans just for this reason.
Thanks,
Gdez
ps I'll donate 10 or 20$ to sounducieks machine.

[norman6538]

positive simple test results

being impressed by these videos


tips weights by hand and the wheel starts turning
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j...:Stage%201.avi
here he tips the bottom weights and the wheel starts to turn
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j...:Stage%202.avi

I tested a simple wheel with 2 weights - 1 at noon and 1 at 6 o'clock hanging down
I lifted the noon weight to horizontal on the right and the wheel then rotated
90 degrees and stopped.
To do this I used 2 small neo magnets to hold large paperclips in the proper position.

I do not understand the physics of that simple test but it would be interesting to
see that in the modeling software and then replicate it to at least 4 positions.

Here is my physics puzzle about the above movement.
It takes some work to lift the weight but then it falls more than the lifted distance
but does the fall distance count as work? ie If I lift a bag of sugar that is work
done but if I drop that bag of sugar is that work done?


A simple arm catcher/stopper could be used to hold the weight in place.
Working on that idea today.

Norman

[RAMSET]

Please clarify??

Paul
How do you want us to Check in on your group build commitment?

Cut paste where?
Regardless of what gets built ,,,knowing your resources is a good idea!

Thx
Chet
Ps I could dissapear for a few days [no elec] ,a witch named Sandy
Wearing "a Perfect Storm" suit bares down on us in the northeast USA
PPS
Clanzer [Sean]
Should really be contacted by you ,he's a fabrication expert
and an open source hero.[could even be your nieghbor in the UK?]

[purelyprimitives]

In regards to the video that shows the weights being kicked up at 7:00, I think it is a good idea, but that a tire spinning clockwise to kick the weights up at that position would create friction and drag counter to the clockwise rotation of the main wheel. Possibly some type of magnet ramp to gently start guiding the weights, without the impact?

Hi Greg,
Even though he is pushing the weights up in his video, the actual 7:00 wheel would be freewheeling and wouldn't 'kick' the weight up but simply provide a rolling interference that would simply move the weight up as the weight rolled over it. But I agree that there might be an element of impact that could be counterproductive and my approach will be a simple angled belt to gently move the weights in. This approach might even be more important if we find out that we can increase the speed.

[PhysicsProf]

Paul, pls count me in for $15:

Stick your name here: PhysicsProf (Steven Jones)

soundiceuk (Paul T)

I'm quite certain that if this works, there will be rapid evolution in design. This is one reason why a patent seems futile to me; but there are other reasons for not seeking a patent that we've discussed on these forums.

So I'd recommend going with a build of the "latest (best so far)" design, and not wait...

[drak]

Stick you name here: (Cut and paste)

soundiceuk (Paul T)

Count me in too.

[soundiceuk]

Paul
How do you want us to Check in on your group build commitment?

Cut paste where?
Regardless of what gets built ,,,knowing your resources is a good idea!

Thx
Chet
Ps I could dissapear for a few days [no elec] ,a witch named Sandy
Wearing "a Perfect Storm" suit bares down on us in the northeast USA
PPS
Clanzer [Sean]
Should really be contacted by you ,he's a fabrication expert
and an open source hero.[could even be your nieghbor in the UK?]

Regarding checking in on the group project.

My paypal address is soundiceuk@yahoo.co.uk

Cut and paste the names below into your post and add your name if you wish to join the group.

I think $15 is a reasonable amount to join.

I will account for all monies going in and out and provide access to any invoices made to the group.

My time as always is free.

Gravity Wheel Group Project

1. soundiceuk (Paul Townley) $15
2. Regster $15
3. Gdez $15
4. PhysicsProf (Steven Jones) $15
5. Drak $15

Storm looks really scary, I hope it doesn't do too much damage or hurt anyone. Makes me appreciate the mild weather in UK.

Here is my message to ClaNZeR:

Hi Sean, I have been recommended to you by Ramset (Chet) who said you are a fabrication expert.

After seeing your videos on your website, it is very clear to me me that you are more than just a very talented fabricator.

We are seeking a specialist such as yourself to provide a quotation for our gravity wheel project.

The easiest way to bring you up to speed with our project is to read the thread in the link below.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ar-3000-w.html

If you have the time available and are interested in doing our fabrication work, I can provide a number of CAD drawings for the components in order so you can provide a quotation.

Best regards,

Paul

You weren't kidding about being my neighbour. It appears that he is located less than 50 miles from where I live, about a 70 minute drive.

[soundiceuk]

Regardless of what gets built ,,,knowing your resources is a good idea!

What would you like to know.

I guess if we were not using ClaNZeR then this would be manufacturing / fabricators / material suppliers / etc?

If we were using ClaNZeR then I personally would be happy to lean on him for these.

Is this what you meant Chet?

Cheers,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

This would make perfect sense if it weren't for the supposed imminent release of prototype 12. We still don't know what this will be. We only know that it will be "smaller and more efficient". Any effort toward building a prototype 11 might quickly become an investment in 'old technology'. I'm only suggesting that we wait to see what he has for us in prototype 12 and then move forward.

Until Mikhail answers my questions I can only assume that whatever prototype 12 is cannot power a large generator because it wouldn't fit.

My Dad also pointed out to me that maybe Mikhail was using the size of a car trunk (boot) as a description for its size because the other forces acting on the device whilst in motion probably meant it wasn't for powering the vehicle.

I'm quite certain that if this works, there will be rapid evolution in design. This is one reason why a patent seems futile to me; but there are other reasons for not seeking a patent that we've discussed on these forums.

So I'd recommend going with a build of the "latest (best so far)" design, and not wait...

I totally agree.

Glad to see lots of members getting involved.

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[myenergetic]

Paul, pls count me in for $15:

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Stick you name here: (Cut and paste)

soundiceuk (Paul T)

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[soundiceuk]

Hi all,
I am also trying to build Mikhails device but progress is slow. I really like the replication that was posted and my main wheel is close to that size (5'7" dia.)

That is the biggest wheel yet!

Mikhail's is 1.3m (51.18") and the weights pivot point is on the outside.

Replication 1 is 1.22m (48") and the weights pivot point is on the inside.



Gravity Wheel Group Project Contributors

soundiceuk (Paul Townley) £20
Regster £20
Drak $15
Kind US friend $85

TOTAL IN GROUP POT £100 (APPROX $160 USD)

Myenergetic $15
Gdez $15
PhysicsProf (Steven Jones) $15

[soundiceuk]

Just for clarification and to hear anyones thoughts about whether this is fair.

I did originally say $15 and I meant USD.

Regster paid £20 and I matched it.

I still think $15 is absolutely fine to join.

Should there be a minimum?

If someone pays more or less, should it mean that anyone in the group owns more or less of anything.

I personally don't think so but I'm flexible to work with the majority or the best idea.

[drak]

Just for clarification and to hear anyones thoughts about whether this is fair.

I did originally say $15 and I meant USD.

Regster paid £20 and I matched it.

I still think $15 is absolutely fine to join.

Should there be a minimum?

If someone pays more or less, should it mean that anyone in the group owns more or less of anything.

I personally don't think so but I'm flexible to work with the majority or the best idea.

Me personally, I think the ownership should be the people of the planet earth, no matter how much they donate, whether 0 or 1Million.