Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

Mikhail's paypal email address is mfdmitriev@gmail.com

Anyone is welcome to send him funds.


Are you asking if a percentage of the group pot is going to Mikhail?

Best regards,

Paul

[i_ron]

PP2 Mikhail

Mikhail's paypal email address is mfdmitriev@gmail.com

Anyone is welcome to send him funds.


Are you asking if a percentage of the group pot is going to Mikhail?

Best regards,

Paul

Thanks Paul,

No, new to the list and there had been no mention recently of money to Mikhail

Ron

[i_ron]

Thanks Paul,

No, new to the list

Ron

Paul and all,

I see a small resemblance to the Abeling Wheel. Now in this case, what if we were to reset at 7:30 (as has been mentioned) but with a ramp, as in the Abeling? the reset could occur in a fairly short distance and once reset the one way bearing would keep the weight inside until centrifugal force carries it out at 2:00 o'clock.

The one way bearing is an expensive way to go... but VXB is probably the best price (in North America)

RC101410 One Way Needle Bearing/Clutch 5/8"x7/8"x5/8" inch Needle Bearings

cheaper perhaps is a spring one-way clutch

SPRING CLUTCHES - Tiny Clutch | Helander Products, Inc.

At $8.47 for the SP100 (1/2 inch bore) but a bearing is still required (ten dollar per separate spring !!!)
Scratch that idea

Actually a ratchet clutch (as Norman suggested) would be the cheapest, a home made one with just two or three teeth would be simple and a little more sound proof as it doesn't need to click for 360 degrees

Ron

[RAMSET]

Your Very competent hands!!

Paul
Thx for taking the time to Chat,It is comforting to know you have the
Skills and tooling necessary for the task that lays before you ,I see why you bite off big pieces of life that some may shy away from.

We need more men like you ...................

Thx
Chet
PS
I see Ron has hit the Abeling Button [a weak spot for me.... ]
Oh Boy.................

[PhysicsProf]

PS -- great looking wife and children, soundiceuk! congratulations man!

PPS -- I see a bit of a horse race now, which technology will reach/benefit mankind first:
1. Mechanical amplifier (such as Mikhail's and Ramos)
2. Modified Davey cells
3. LENR cells (which may relate to Davey cells!)
4. Lenz-less motor-generators

[purelyprimitives]

Actually a ratchet clutch (as Norman suggested) would be the cheapest, a home made one with just two or three teeth would be simple and a little more sound proof as it doesn't need to click for 360 degrees

Ron

If you look at just where the weights need to be caught, there is really only a 60 - 90 degree area required. And, if you are implementing the secondary passive wheel, that same exact mechanism can be used to lock the weights as they are moved in. However, my experiments have shown me that a positive stop will also be required when moving the weights in so that they don't over-rotate counter-clockwise over the wheel because of their momentum.

[soundiceuk]

Thanks Paul,

No, new to the list and there had been no mention recently of money to Mikhail

Ron

Cool Ron, the more the merrier!

Mikhail really would like the technology to be validated so therefore.

The CAD drawings can be bought for a contribution of $1 to Mikhail:

mfdmitriev@gmail.com (PayPal)

&

$1 to the group team effort.

soundiceuk@yahoo.co.uk (PayPal)


TOTAL $2


As we move forward the CAD drawings / documentation will be updated with the latest design.

The more people involved the better the design will be and the harder to suppress.


Mikhail knows that the deflection mechanism can be improved and hasn't provided any CAD drawings for those parts.

The gearing is going to be tailored to whichever motor / generator is selected.

I believe the plate on Mikhail's reads 710 RPM max.

[soundiceuk]

Paul and all,

I see a small resemblance to the Abeling Wheel. Now in this case, what if we were to reset at 7:30 (as has been mentioned) but with a ramp, as in the Abeling? the reset could occur in a fairly short distance and once reset the one way bearing would keep the weight inside until centrifugal force carries it out at 2:00 o'clock.

The one way bearing is an expensive way to go... but VXB is probably the best price (in North America)

RC101410 One Way Needle Bearing/Clutch 5/8"x7/8"x5/8" inch Needle Bearings

cheaper perhaps is a spring one-way clutch

SPRING CLUTCHES - Tiny Clutch | Helander Products, Inc.

At $8.47 for the SP100 (1/2 inch bore) but a bearing is still required (ten dollar per separate spring !!!)
Scratch that idea

Actually a ratchet clutch (as Norman suggested) would be the cheapest, a home made one with just two or three teeth would be simple and a little more sound proof as it doesn't need to click for 360 degrees

Ron

Shame Abeling looks to have gone down the patent route?

Now that I have seen so many options and manufacturers of one way bearings and alternatives I am happy to post the exact ones Mikhail is using in the videos / pictures.

One way bearings:
HFL1226 One Way Needle Bearing/Clutch 12x18x26 Needle Bearings

Shafts:
12mm Shaft 13" Hardened Rod Linear Motion

As you can see the dimensions on Mikhail's bearings are 26mm wide with a 12mm inner diameter and a 18mm outer diameter.

The bearings in your top link are 15.875mm wide , 15.875mm inner diameter and 22.225mm outer diameter.

The 12mm x 13' hardened shafts are a perfect match with Mikhail's bearings. So an alternative shaft would be needed.

The one way bearing housings in the CAD drawings are also 26mm wide.

Do you think the smaller width bearing but larger shaft diameter shaft will support the weight as well as the bearing being used?

My own thoughts say not as well.



I forsee a two wheels with 64 bearings and a much heavier weights using your first bearing suggestion.

I would consider the device a little safer built this way too, with a thicker shaft.

The deflections could then be made in the centre of the weight for better balance.

[soundiceuk]

Paul
Thx for taking the time to Chat,It is comforting to know you have the
Skills and tooling necessary for the task that lays before you ,I see why you bite off big pieces of life that some may shy away from.

We need more men like you ...................

Thx
Chet
PS
I see Ron has hit the Abeling Button [a weak spot for me.... ]
Oh Boy.................

Thanks for taking the time to ring me all the way from US.

Our children must not suffer the same indoctrinated BS we have.

We are breaking the mould!

[soundiceuk]

PS -- great looking wife and children, soundiceuk! congratulations man!

PPS -- I see a bit of a horse race now, which technology will reach/benefit mankind first:
1. Mechanical amplifier (such as Mikhail's and Ramos)
2. Modified Davey cells
3. LENR cells (which may relate to Davey cells!)
4. Lenz-less motor-generators

Thank you very much

Its certainly hotting up!!!

[soundiceuk]

If you look at just where the weights need to be caught, there is really only a 60 - 90 degree area required. And, if you are implementing the secondary passive wheel, that same exact mechanism can be used to lock the weights as they are moved in. However, my experiments have shown me that a positive stop will also be required when moving the weights in so that they don't over-rotate counter-clockwise over the wheel because of their momentum.

Are your experiments only with the secondary passive wheel?

[purelyprimitives]

Are your experiments only with the secondary passive wheel?

Hi Paul,
Yes, so far. I want to get this portion working properly before I complete it. Or are you asking if I am planning to use only this wheel?
Charlie

[soundiceuk]

Update 2nd November 2012

Out of the 8 fabrication companies I have emailed.

Sean from www.cncdudez.co.uk emailed back extremely fast with an amazing portfolio.

A specialist steel fabrication company who at this stage I wish to keep private for security reasons emailed me back on Wednesday, so I gave them a ring yesterday.

We talked over some parts of the CAD drawings, which by the way are .jpg files, not CAD files at this stage.

They have CNC water jet cutters for the wheel rim, spokes, center disc and one way bearing housings. The finish will be mint.

Water jet cutting is a cheaper process than machining.

I think it is very advantageous using a steel fabrication with an extremely heavily equipped workshop.

Best of all, they have strong enough workshop to complete the job quickly.

The also have comprehensive spraying facilities and have been in business 30+ years.


The engineering companies I have worked with previously in life redrew the components on their systems befofe manufacture.

I'm sure I may be able to talk them into giving the CAD drawings in a better format at no cost.


Still not a beep from any of the other companies.


What these companies are doing by not responding is not good business practice to me.

I had a different feeling about this specialist steel fabrication company than any of the other companies even before I emailed. What they do in terms of gears, sprokets, belts and chains suits this project so much, it looks almost meant to be!

They handled my questions on the phone conversation very well too. I would be happy to work with them.

What does anyone think of this idea?

Get the specialist steel fabrication company to build the device, but at the same time, release every CAD drawing to the group.

I've pretty much designed this frame in my head to incorporate all the measuring equipment and input motor and output generator.


I also have the 1st experiment lined up which is to test the torque of the main shaft with a motor attached with and without the weights.

Using a mains voltage controller to find the optimum torque speed without deflection.

I believe this will show an amplification of torque and give a benchmark to improve on.

As I said before the CAD drawings will get updated as we move forward.

Having a load of steel fabrication guys putting there minds to work on this could advance this project very quickly.

I can see some really comradery happening in their workshop when they start building this.


Maybe Sean from www.cncdudez.co.uk would be interested in making a 1/4 scale version for universities, colleges & schools to study

I would happily try and push this in UK.

Best regards to all!

[soundiceuk]

Hi Paul,
Yes, so far. I want to get this portion working properly before I complete it. Or are you asking if I am planning to use only this wheel?
Charlie

I was wondering if you were going to to use both yes. You sound like you are making good progress.


My current thoughts:

My analogy the wheel without the secondary is a little bit like one of those games of swingball but imagine it tipped on its side. When you hit the ball it goes crazily fast when it is already going fast and especially you hit it in the right place at the right time.

It makes me think of Mikhail's wheel being the batter on the swingball, only with 32 swingballs and the batter hitting each one at exactly the right time to give it a faster push.

In Mikhail's wheel the centrifugal force slows the wheel down and finds a rythem with the batting and oscillates.

Something like that anyway.....

[i_ron]

one-way

Shame Abeling looks to have gone down the patent route?

Now that I have seen so many options and manufacturers of one way bearings and alternatives I am happy to post the exact ones Mikhail is using in the videos / pictures.

One way bearings:
HFL1226 One Way Needle Bearing/Clutch 12x18x26 Needle Bearings

Shafts:
12mm Shaft 13" Hardened Rod Linear Motion

As you can see the dimensions on Mikhail's bearings are 26mm wide with a 12mm inner diameter and a 18mm outer diameter.

The bearings in your top link are 15.875mm wide , 15.875mm inner diameter and 22.225mm outer diameter.

The 12mm x 13' hardened shafts are a perfect match with Mikhail's bearings. So an alternative shaft would be needed.

The one way bearing housings in the CAD drawings are also 26mm wide.

Do you think the smaller width bearing but larger shaft diameter shaft will support the weight as well as the bearing being used?

My own thoughts say not as well.

I forsee a two wheels with 64 bearings and a much heavier weights using your first bearing suggestion.

I would consider the device a little safer built this way too, with a thicker shaft.

The deflections could then be made in the centre of the weight for better balance.

Paul,

Yes the expensive bearing is undoubtedly the better one, It has the one way clutch in the center and a separate plain needle bearing at each end. Whereas the one way bearing link that I put up has only the center section.

It is a mater of priorities ---If you were building a proven machine that was to have a 20 year life expectancy I would chose the $15 bearing. If I were building an experimental machine that may or may not work I would use the $7 bearing, lol

Ron

PS: Incidentally being in Canada I chose VXB's inch series because hardened and ground precision shafting is available in inch sizes; there is probably an equivalent, to the one I posted, in metric for folk over there