Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

My money situation is improving slowly and I'm more than willing to put some more money into the pot even though they are more expensive.

I think we owe it to Mikhail to replicate what he has shown and if it works as it appears to then improve it and reward him for his gift to humanity.

I have access to other funding partners who will be happy to contribute if this can be validated as genuine.

If it doesn't work out those bearing could be sold on ebay.

The secret in this device is the frequency. That is what has been overlooked by gravity wheel inventors.

Coincidence frequency plays a huge role in extracting energy in other ways.

[soundiceuk]

My concern was if there is enough width on the one way bearing housing to prevent the weights flinging off at higher RPM.

The lead wheel weights on car steel wheels at high speeds can exert high forces to cause severe vibration.

I do very much worry about something flying off when testing.

Using nyloc nuts would make me feel happier too.

[Regster]

@soundiceuk: Yes, that sounds like a good plan. Did you get a rough idea of price from them?

[soundiceuk]

I should get the quote in the next 24 hours.

I think it would be wise for me to show them the bearings and shafts that Mikhail used so that they might be able to provide a better solution.

I will come back with an update a little later and see where we are then.

Best regards,

Paul

[i_ron]

Caution

My concern was if there is enough width on the one way bearing housing to prevent the weights flinging off at higher RPM.

The lead wheel weights on car steel wheels at high speeds can exert high forces to cause severe vibration.

I do very much worry about something flying off when testing.

Using nyloc nuts would make me feel happier too.

Paul,

I see no successful replications or even convincing proof of principle. The one wiring schematic I have seen shows the inverter powering the motor and the load with no really coherent measurements being shown. The one recent self powering episode was a failure. If the wheel supposedly puts out 3k for a 1k input then the wheel should easily self run when up to speed and the motor and load disconnected, did it?

Remember what Mark Dansie said: On July 25, 2012 4:27 PM MDT, Mark Dansie wrote: This one has been pulled apart and been on several forums.
The big blue device in the front is an electric motor.
Go surf the net this guy is not so smart.

Admittedly this is a work in progress... but in one video we see it run with the kicker and in the next without the kicker, should that not make you wonder?
Then there is a promise of a Mark 12. Would it not be best to a little cautious
and not go for a major unrecoverable expense before mark 12 is released?

Historically he had a great rapport with Sterling... then nothing, when was the last time you heard from him?

Ron

[soundiceuk]

Hi Ron, I'm not complaining but I find it a little unusual that although you think this, you still donated to Mikhail.

Have you studied all of Mikhail's videos on his youtube channel and read this thread thoroughly?

The motor is providing some of the effort to turn the wheel and other times it is being assisted by gravity which lowers the current draw of the frequency inverter.

The Energy Monitor 3000 has a figure at the top of the 3 level display which is watts.

I agree the video could be much clearer, but it the figures are there.

The frequency inverter used has a maximum load of 1500 watts before the overload protection kicks in. This is seen in the video with the 30 x 95 watt bulbs.

The output of the motor / generator is 3 phase and it appears from the error code displayed on the frequency generator in the self looping attempt that the voltage is too low / high or the frequency isn't correct.

Hence Mikhail saying that it needs 220v @ 50hz pure sine wave to work.

I assume he is trying to resolve this in the background, whilst waiting for a validation to happen.


The wheel did run continuously with the motor disconnected as far as I'm aware.

There was no back emf generated by the motor to slow the wheel down either which is why Mikhail had to manually stop the wheel after the chain broke from the motor to the deflecting wheel sprocket.

The mk 12 hasn't been built or tested as far as I'm aware. It does not matter to me as a large generator cannot fit in the boot of a car.

Prototype 11 is there and working in my opinion.


There has been several misunderstandings from my perspective between Sterling and Mikhail.

Sterling did help in some ways, but not in others. Without gathering all the evidence I have seen it would be hard for you to see my perspective.

Mikhail's communication can be a little random. He has a busy life too.

He also has to translate any emails to Russian and then write back which must be very dificult seeing as he doesn't talk english.


There is a simple test in my eyes that will prove this is a winner or not.

Set up a motor and voltage controller running the main shaft and measure torque output at various RPMs whilst monitoring current draw and voltage on the motor.

Torque would be measured using engine dynamometer.

Add the deflecting elements 2 at a time.

The maximum torque should increase whilst the wattage consumption decreases.

No need to buy all 32 bearings.

I am even considering a 1:2 scale prototype depending on what bearings I can find.

There is no need for crazy expense at this stage.

Just an accurate engine dynamometer and a well built prototype.

I am just putting ideas there for the group to accept or decline.

One way or another this is going to get validated successfully or not.

[soundiceuk]

Ron I thought these videos might help you and others.

Prototype 6:

Gravitational engine 6 (6 Active Elements) - YouTube

Prototype 6 wiring diagram:

motor's commutator - YouTube

Working Model 2D simulator videos showing more torque out than in.

Gravitation Engine V2.20 - YouTube

Simulation des Gravitationsrades nach Mikhail Dmitriyev - YouTube

[Michael John Nunnerley]

On similar lines, maybe!!

Does anybody know what happened to this?

G-Force Rotational machine - YouTube

I saw this a long time ago and then all went dead.

Mike

[soundiceuk]

Directory:Alpha Omega Galaxy Freefall Generator (AOGFG) - PESWiki

The same with this one.

Last I heard Rolls Royce were interested, then it went dead.

[i_ron]

reasonable

Hi Ron,

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No need to buy all 32 bearings.

I am even considering a 1:2 scale prototype depending on what bearings I can find.

There is no need for crazy expense at this stage.

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I am just putting ideas there for the group to accept or decline.

One way or another this is going to get validated successfully or not. :thumbs up:

OK, I agree, first steps first...then expand on success!
I wasn't saying this won't work, just that we should not build a 1000 pound gold plated POC without some validation along the way. Slowly slowly catchie monkey.

Thanks for the video links

Ron

[soundiceuk]

If you look at just where the weights need to be caught, there is really only a 60 - 90 degree area required. And, if you are implementing the secondary passive wheel, that same exact mechanism can be used to lock the weights as they are moved in. However, my experiments have shown me that a positive stop will also be required when moving the weights in so that they don't over-rotate counter-clockwise over the wheel because of their momentum.

This is interesing, looking forward to seeing your progress.

The Replication 1 folder has been updated with a new video and some new pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j9omlgu/OGof5XoUVV?m


I received an email from the specialist fabrication company yesterday:

"Hi Paul, sorry I have not replied to you but we are short staffed and very busy today so I am working in workshop all day, will get back to you soon."


Here are some one way bearing suppliers that members have pointed out:

BEARINGS 6000 SERIES, A SECTION items in BEARING OPTIONS store on eBay!

HF1216 Budget Needle Roller Clutch Type One Way Bearing 12x18x16mm Simply Bearings Ltd

RC101410 One Way Needle Bearing/Clutch 5/8"x7/8"x5/8" inch Needle Bearings

[soundiceuk]

HF0612 Budget Needle Roller Clutch Type One Way Bearing 6x10x12mm Simply Bearings Ltd

6mm ID, 10mm OD x 12mm length

£2.67 inc VAT for 32 = £85.44

The looks good for a budget bearing on a 1:2 scale prototype.


Compared to £109.44 inc VAT for a budget bearing on a 1:1 prototype.

HF1216 Budget Needle Roller Clutch Type One Way Bearing 12x18x16mm Simply Bearings Ltd

No import duty or VAT & small shipping cost.

As Ron pointed out the quality can be increased at a later date should the validation be successful.

The bearing housing could stay the full 26mm still for stength if going with a 1:1 prototype.

The shafts are not difficult to manufacture.

[purelyprimitives]

This is interesing, looking forward to seeing your progress.

The Replication 1 folder has been updated with a new video and some new pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j9omlgu/OGof5XoUVV?m

Wow, nice build. Its a shame that he is having problems with the bearings. I just realized after watching his video that my weights are hung differently than his. Mine are hung on the ends so I have full access to rotating the weights a full 180 degrees at around the 7:30 mark. Kind of like a bicycle crank and pedals. Still working on the secondary "wheel" which is now looking like it will be a ramp instead. Seems to work much smoother and hopefully will eliminate the need for a stop.

[soundiceuk]

Update 3rd November 2012

First here is one of Mikhail's videos that will help you understand the idea I am about to put to you.

magnets and freewheel - YouTube

I believe Mikhail is very cleverly leaving all the clues with his videos and texts.



Having partly cleared out the garage I came across a few items for the group validation:

11 x 20mm OD x 6mm ID x 20mm Length N42 Diametrically Magnetised Neodymium Magnets

2 x 20mm ID Main Shaft Bearings

1 x Stainless Steel 304 Main Shaft

1 x Diametric Cylinder Magnet Basic Test Rig

and I've put together a short video to demonstrate my latest idea for top and bottom deflectors.

Needs a rig designing for finding the optimum positions for maximum torque.

The nylon deflector studs are to be replaced with titanium studs and aluminium nyloc nuts either side of the magnet with nylon washers.


My first video for any forum: (My baby girl wasn't crying because of the magnets )

The copper tube has a threaded aluminium rod inside and a magnet fixed in the optimum position to demonstrate its power. It is held in place with nylon nuts and washers.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mzk7kzhos...ek_pnqbHgZ?m#/


The idea is to use 8 deflecting elements with these magnets and play around finding the best positions for 3 deflectors.

My theory is it will be perpetual motion with some torque.

The result should dictate whether to add another 8 deflecting elements and continue.

I just wanted to add that there is quite a distance from the two magnets. They are extremely strong. Can you imagine the repulsion / lift of deflecting elements at 1mm gap.


This video is very relevant.

Gravity wheel without motors. Simple gravitational amplifier. - YouTube


Thoughts welcomed

[soundiceuk]

When each weight gets deflected by the small wheel, it accelerates along a radial path (around the pivot point of the one way bearings).
Since the small wheel's linear velocity is higher than the big wheel's velocity,
the centrifugal force that appears at the pivot point of the weight should be
Fcf=m*(delta_v)^2/r
where delta_v is the difference between linear velocity of the small wheel minus linear velocity of the big wheel at a radius where the weights hang from the pivot points. I think this force should not be ingored since it will give a considerable impulse to the pivot point which increases the rotation of the big wheel.

There's no need for quantum or something . Basic Physic Law's are enough for this system. İt's possible to build a system like that. I attached the CAD draw. You can calculate the machine forces from the drawing.

appearantly yes but I'm not a physicist. With my calculations this system seems to work but we need more accurate calculations. The system produce more torque on the right side. As I speak with the drawing here's the result of my calculation F ~= m * a *17,68. m*a is the weight of the ball in Kg.

in Mikhail's design the asynchronous motor works as a generator. To generate electricity with the asynchronous motor you should put some power to the motor. When he use permanent magnet generator we will be able see how much power this system can get on the output.

you can increase the output power with increasing the length of the legs carrying the weights.

Very interesting that you understand the maths involved.

I thought the quantum physics applied to the wheel in motion. I wasn't thinking static


How difficult would it be to make a mathematical model based on optimum positions of the weights if you had some real dimensions to work from?