Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[purelyprimitives]

Just a quick update.....

Just increased the weight to 10 lbs and the motor reacted like I didn't add any weight at all!!!! This is pretty amazing!?! Do I dare try for 15 lbs?

Charlie

[soundiceuk]

Hi Charlie, another great video!

Looking forward to your double ender!

My guess is you won't need much more weight to make enough power to run itself.

It will then becomes obvious to everyone that adding more weight = extra power.

Where is the energy coming from?

Gravity


Some questions a little out of the box to ponder.

If a coin was dropped from a building and hit you on the head, would it hurt more if it was thrown downwards, rather than dropped?

Why would it hurt more?



If an object is already spinning, why does it spin faster than it would when given the same input to when it was stationary?


Why can you hold another person by the arms and swing them around until there body is horizontal, but if they were lying on a piece of wood you would barely be able to lift them?



Update 12th December 2012

The machinist that is working on the project is a one man band. He lives not too far from me, quite near ClaNZeR.

He has given me a very good price on the machining.

He can get the wheel water jet cut from 5mm aluminium sheet for £50 and then clean up the edges and bearing holes for £20.

All the other quotes I have had were ridiculous for small quantities, but for large batch some were pretty good.

Once I have received all the parts and assembled them, I will carry out some experiments and film / take pictures of progress and provide updated accounts of spending.

I also got a quote back for some polyurethane guide rollers that will fit the design. £6.66 each

I am still looking into other guide rollers.

The are commonly used in elavators and roller coasters, so should be perfect for very heavy weights.

All the best guys!

Cheers,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Just a quick update.....

Just increased the weight to 10 lbs and the motor reacted like I didn't add any weight at all!!!! This is pretty amazing!?! Do I dare try for 15 lbs?

Charlie

For some strange reason this popped into my head:

All like that at all levels - YouTube


There is something special about adding a push to something already it motion, it accelerates faster than if you pushed it from stationary.

Timing is critical.

Reminds me of the swing analogy used for resonance.

This is another form of resonance.

Mechanical resonance.

Resonance with the flow of centrifugal force / gravity perhaps?

Can these movements also slipstream?

[soundiceuk]

Mikhail, if you are reading this I have an offer to buy gravitationalengine.com for $1500 USD

[soundiceuk]

For any newbies joining the thread.

This is the basic discovery of how these devices work:

rotation - YouTube

Translation:

From this picture it is clear that the small size of the input action with respect to a small part of the total mass of the system results in a summation of the action (overrunning clutch) to shift the center of mass of the system and its subsequent rotation due to the gravitational force of the Earth.

The output power of approximately n times the input (without loss).
n-number of equal parts into which the total mass of the system.
Have-gravity amplifier (direct analog electronic or electrical with an external source of EMF unlimited capacity).

[Gdez]

rotation and mass

I really liked pureylemprimtives newest videos. I think that while we are trying to achieve the same goal, our building ideas are almost completely opposite, as far as weights and positioning. I think that PP and I are on the same page, but we are still missing something. In PP's latest videos, he has the heavier weight,at a shorter distance from the fulcrum. Wow, this is hard to explain. What I suggest is to have the smaller weight with a longer lever end and a heavier weight on the short lever end. The idea is to let the long lever end ( with less weight ), be more affected by the short lever end. (with more weight).
This sounds complicated , but look at how our solar system works. A large body(Sun) and the smaller body, far out. (Earth, Mars , etc), rotating and affecting each other.. This seems to be nature's way of "free" energy.
Another ineresting observation is that most of my ideas/experiments with this seem to work in "thirds".(As in relation to weght on opposite ends of the fulcrum --) .The larger weight takes a smaller force to complete the rotaion of the smaller,( far out, lighter weight) takes , as it (the lighter end) uses centrifigul force to keep itself going. The ratio seems to be --short lever to long lever--3 heavy, 1 long.
I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone, all I can do is to TRY to explain my thoughts on this.
I need to go to bed now.
good luck all,
greg

[purelyprimitives]

I really liked pureylemprimtives newest videos. I think that while we are trying to achieve the same goal, our building ideas are almost completely opposite, as far as weights and positioning. I think that PP and I are on the same page, but we are still missing something. In PP's latest videos, he has the heavier weight,at a shorter distance from the fulcrum. Wow, this is hard to explain. What I suggest is to have the smaller weight with a longer lever end and a heavier weight on the short lever end. The idea is to let the long lever end ( with less weight ), be more affected by the short lever end. (with more weight).

Hi Greg,

I'll try to explain. I only had a single small dc motor so I added weight at the opposite end simply to balance the load. In my first video with the 2.5 lb weight, the arm was actually completely balanced. In the second video, there was more weight at the rotating end and I've since added even more weight and oddly, it seems to actually work better.

I think I understand what you are saying. It sounds like you are suggesting a type of 'trebuchet' effect where the heavier weight is 'slinging' and accelerating the smaller weight around. That's certainly a viable approach but different from Mikhails.

Regards,
Charlie

[soundiceuk]

Asymmetry seems to be cropping up a lot lately!

[purelyprimitives]

Here's my last and most amazing video in this series:

Dmitriyev Weight Rotation Test #3 - YouTube

I'm trying to understand just what's happening here, but as Paul has said, it seems that the power required to move the weight becomes less of an issue when its already in motion. Needless to say, I'm extremely motivated!

Charlie

[i_ron]

explanation needed

Here's my last and most amazing video in this series:

Dmitriyev Weight Rotation Test #3 - YouTube

I'm trying to understand just what's happening here, but as Paul has said, it seems that the power required to move the weight becomes less of an issue when its already in motion. Needless to say, I'm extremely motivated!

Charlie

PP, I have a problem understanding what the rotating weight is doing? Can you describe what is happening, please?

The motor is switched on and off?

What is the starting position of the weight?

Where does it move to?
And the following sequence?

Thanks,

Ron

[purelyprimitives]

Hi Ron,

Sure thing. I wish I could draw a picture but here goes....

There are 3 slip rings: 2 positive and 1 negative. Right now I have the slip ring timing set for 12:00 and 6:00. One positive ring starts at 12:00 and goes to 6:00 and the other one goes from 6:00 to 12:00. The negative just goes right to one terminal on the motor. The 2 positive leads from the slip rings go to a large NO/NC microswitch that activates off of a 180 degree cam.

Think of 2 switches in series. You need both closed to turn on the motor.
Because the motor turns the weight arm faster than the main arm rotates, the cam opens the microswitch connection and stops the weight arm from over-rotating even though that particular slip ring is still active. Now that the microswitch is in the open position it becomes active when the second slip ring hits the contact and so on.

I hope this is clear enough. If not let me know. Its actually quite a simple circuit.

Regards,
Charlie

[Gdez]

thanks charlie

Loved the new mikhail3 video. Congratulations! !!

[i_ron]

Hi Ron,

Sure thing. I wish I could draw a picture but here goes....

There are 3 slip rings: 2 positive and 1 negative. Right now I have the slip ring timing set for 12:00 and 6:00. One positive ring starts at 12:00 and goes to 6:00 and the other one goes from 6:00 to 12:00. The negative just goes right to one terminal on the motor. The 2 positive leads from the slip rings go to a large NO/NC microswitch that activates off of a 180 degree cam.

Think of 2 switches in series. You need both closed to turn on the motor.
Because the motor turns the weight arm faster than the main arm rotates, the cam opens the microswitch connection and stops the weight arm from over-rotating even though that particular slip ring is still active. Now that the microswitch is in the open position it becomes active when the second slip ring hits the contact and so on.

I hope this is clear enough. If not let me know. Its actually quite a simple circuit.

Regards,
Charlie

OK, so in effect the weight is extended for part of the cycle and retracted for the remainder? What O'clock then does this in/out take place.

Yes, nice builds, nice video's

Thanks

Ron

Edit: I guess where I was going with that is, when the weight is moving out less energy is used by the motor and when it is being retracted more energy is required because of centrifugal force.

Now with a two weight system the weighs are moving in opposite direction so if they were coupled together by chain drive (or toothed timing belt) the forces would be more in balance. With the motor mounted closer to the middle, motor load would also be better balanced... have I got it right?

[soundiceuk]

Hi Charlie, great work! I paid particular attention to your statement.

"This is a fairly incredible phenomena. Doubling the weight results in almost no incremental increase in current draw from the motor!! I believe that this validates his claim of overunity."

So this is the last in the series of this version?

Is it not possible to add any more weight, or do you think it will topple?

Cheers,

Paul

[purelyprimitives]

Loved the new mikhail3 video. Congratulations! !!

Thanks Greg! Much appreciated. I hope we can all benefit from this.

Charlie