Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

The secret in this device is the frequency. That is what has been overlooked by gravity wheel inventors.

Coincidence frequency plays a huge role in extracting energy in other ways.

Funny I wrote this so many years ago!

Talk about answer staring me straight in the face!

Seems only Bessler worked it out that we know of.

He was a clock maker though....

I think William Skinner had a working device too!

Would be the ultimate to make electricity on tap and not need storage.

[Les Banki]

[QUOTE

I think William Skinner had a working device too!

Would be the ultimate to make electricity on tap and not need storage.[/QUOTE]

Paul,

And so does Kevin Hay for the last 2-3 years already!!
However, you seem to have IGNORED my suggestion so far.
It is your LOSS!

Here is a copy of his first email to me about 3 weeks ago:

Hello Les,

Yes, our first model was sustained at over 400 COP.
It took less than 0.1 amp at 12 volt to sustain 1.9636 HP.

I am currently working in medical agricultural production areas however I am also engineering some of my more modern methods with a Japanese company that I am partnering with.
My engineering partner works in large scale rice agriculture and drone technology so this will allow me to incorporate my work into several areas, and allow me to provide these dynamos for people working in agriculture before any other field becomes involved.

All electricity is gravitational inertia based torsion induced compression.
All of it.

This is braking planetary inertia and this is not complicated.

I have over 170 designs of workable systems just in the mechanical area alone. My basic show and share designs are based on children's ability to understand this, apply this and use it effectively.
My work is in plasma initiation.
I have several dozen easier methods to generate high voltage current Les.
If you want electricity, do what Tesla did. Tap the planet.

My systems are being applied to electro-gravitational propulsion dynamics, as some of the complex algorithms for attaining inductive inversion of gravitation are not so complicated.

If you can understand that it is gravity that moves water, then you can understand that it is also gravity that is being compressed allowing for this reaction, called phase conjugation, to induce an electrostatic inversion of gravitation.
Restricting this induces electricity.
Not restricting this allows for inductive electro-gravitational potential.

I have simple leveraged systems that can make whatever electricity you want....just put the dynamo under it and line up the crank, and place whatever mass inversion is necessary onto the oscillator.
Any size dynamo, mega watt and larger can be run...so please understand that this is what Tesla did...in reverse.

I am showing how to build an electromotive generator.
Tesla showed how to tap the planets movement and electrify it.
I am showing how to tap the planets movement, by not electrifying it and using the inertia as a torsion based electromotive reaction.
It is easier making the river any size that you need, than tailoring a new system.
All that is really required is that you correct the inversions in the schematic and allow the existing model not to fight itself.

My first electromagnetic transformer induced 100V AC on 0.000 volt.
My second one went 23 feet into the air with a 9 volt battery.
My third one induced 268V with an induction sealer and self resonated a secondary circuit with 9.6amp at 120volt AC.

By the way, I have shared all of this on Facebook and you can resource this information in the PJK Free Energy Book.
Everything that Tesla did can be accomplished much much easier by understanding torsion tensors and inertia. We can create our own electromagnetic self induced oscillator, we do not even need to tap the planet any longer.

Cheers,
Kevin

[soundiceuk]

Hi, I'm not ignoring you, I said I was interested and eager to know more.

Kevin Hay is in a few Facebook groups I'm part of.

It is worth starting a thread on Energetic Forum rather than posting in this one and the Skinner thread.

I've already pulled the trigger on a build and I'll be showing pictures of components over the coming weeks.

It isn't a cheap build, so if successful my main aim is to work out how small it can be made and ensure folks can build a working replication and get them out to their local schools.

It is much simpler than the Skinner device and will cost less in manufacturing.

Whatever Kevin has it won't be better than the ultimate energy source "Radiant Energy".

The problem is with exotic energy technologies, that VERY few people have the capability or mindset to understand what is happening because they cannot see it.

A simple mechanical device will be understood by the layman and that is why I am doing what I am doing. Even though it has been at great expense in a multitude of ways to my life, I believe the end result will be worth it!

Cheers,

Paul

[TheVisitorV]

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9R2_XjOpd8[/VIDEO]

[TheVisitorV]

i believe the triangular design can be replicated and easily tested even on a small case and it seems a bit more easy then Mikhail since it does not require any special bearings.

Based on the 2 stage oscillator:
Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator - A Mechanical Amplifier - Veljko Milkovic - Official presentation

i would replicate this but my state of poverty is a bit better then homeless )

Either way whoever has 2 small wheels 1 small motor and 1 small generator + some very basic tools can replicate it and see if it really works. It shouldn't be that difficult as the design is very simple and very straight forward without requesting anything special really.

[soundiceuk]

I'm going to be posting component lists, CAD drawings, photos and finally a video will appear somewhere on the net and it might not be from me directly.

1. 16 x HF1416 INA Needle Roller Clutch Type One Way Bearing 14x20x16mm

https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p1...duct_info.html

2. 1 x hub preferably made from aluminium although I've still got the off the shelf hub seen in previous pictures / videos.

I will post the rest as I dig them out.

The 5mm thick aluminium wheels are 1/3 of the size of Mikhails, and my 8 weights weigh approx 1kg and are made from rectangular bar mild steel. The arms are aluminium and the shafts are stainless steel. The frame is made from 12mm aluminium and the main shaft bearings are 2 x Bones Reds skateboard bearings. The main shaft is 14mm, the taper locks bushes are Dunlop 14mm ID.

I think with that description you would recognise a video of the device if someone else posts videos or pictures elsewhere.

This build cost would be £1500

If you have a lathe and milling machine then much less!

This is why I propose to build a smaller version but don't skimp on the bearings as they need to be over engineered to last.

No point building a much bigger version until this is tuned.

I'm not 100% but I think that the wheel, hub arms and main axle need to be as light and strong as possible.

Main bearing alignment is critical!

I've got a feeling adding weight to the outside of the wheel is how to get more torque and of course increasing the weights mass!

Looking forward to seeing multiple replications of this!

If I don't post regularly to this thread the men in black have got me!!

[soundiceuk]

"The possibility of perpetual motion has always fascinated mankind. The first recorded statement claiming its achievement is found in a Sanskrit manuscript from the 5th century B.C. Many highly respected scientists and inventors over the years have seriously considered perpetual motion, including Leonardo da Vinci, Christian Huygens, John Bernoulli, Robert Boyle, George B. Airy, and Nikola Tesla."

George Biddell Airy

"Early in my research into the Bessler mystery, I came across an article written by George Biddel Airy. It was published in the Cambridge Philisophical Transactions in the mid 1800s, and I found it at my local university library. It is entitled On Certain conditions under which a Perpetual Motion is possible, and appears to be the only known rigorous mathematical proof of the theoretical possiblity of perpetual motion.

The historical record shows that Johann Bessler might have happened upon the secret after working for some time as a pipe organ apprentice. It is interesting to note that Airy's conclusions were based on the work of Robert Willis. Willis was studying the human voice organ and did experiments with air passing over inclined plates."

On certain Conditions under which a Perpetual Motion is possible.
Cambridge Philosophical Transactions, December 14, 1829

[soundiceuk]

1 week away from hopefully giving the whole world a late xmas present!

[soundiceuk]

Main shaft bearings used on new prototype:

[ewizard]

Main shaft bearings used on new prototype:

Are those one way bearings? Looking forward to your progress on this concept Paul

[soundiceuk]

Those are high quality skateboard bearings. Each wheel normally has two. I calculated for a prototype with 8 x 1kg weights they would be extremely low friction. Bones Reds come in sets of 8 but someone sold me an almost new skateboard for less than the bearings cost.

Bones Swiss ceramic are the ultimate skateboard bearing for a model.

Ultimately passive magnetic bearings are where I am going with it.

It's going to take a lot of tweaks to tune this device but collectively it will happen much more quickly.

Which is why the best thing to do is publish the results and if successful let folks replicate and globally do the tuning.

The engineering company has all the materials and production starts Monday!

I wish us all the best of luck!

[soundiceuk]

I didn't draw this, it was copied from BesslerWheel.com

I believe this shows Bessler's secret.

Imagine this with 8 pendulums fitted with one way bearings. Bessler was most probably using rathet and pawl mechanism instead.

Ignore the right angled red parts. The pendulums do this movement naturally anyway.

My build is the same thing but with the 8 pendulum axles on the outer circumference of the wheel.

This is because I am not hiding the mechanism that allows a continuous movement due to the swinging of the weights.

Bessler didn't have that luxury.

Imagine where we would be now in history if the mechanism was given away to the public for free!

"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."

- Johann E. E. Bessler, 1717

[soundiceuk]

I've taken this from BesslerWheel.com

"1. The wheel was not self-starting; it needed a push to get it moving. - Bessler
2. The wheel did not derive its power from wound springs or falling weights, as was common with automata and clockwork devices. - Bessler
3. The wheel had many moving weights inside, arranged with the purpose of keeping the wheel continually unbalanced. ? Bessler
4. Machine was set in motion by weights. - Bessler
5. Weights acted in pairs - Bessler
6. Weights gained force from their own swinging. - Bessler
7. Weights came to be placed together, arranged one against another. - Bessler
8. Weights applied force at right angles to the axis. - Bessler
9. Springs were employed, but not as detractors suggested. - Bessler
10. The machine's power was directly proportional to its diameter. - Bessler
11. Interior of the machine was a simple arrangement of weights and levers. - Prince Karl, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel, eyewitness account
12. Weights were pierced in the middle and attached by connecting springs. - Acta Eridutorum, An Account of the Perpetuum Mobile of J. E. E. Orffyreus, 1715
13. Weights were heard hitting the side of the wheel going down. - many eyewitness accounts
14. Machine made scratching noises, as if parts or poles moved over one another. - many eyewitness accounts
15. Weights were attached to moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel. - Johann Christian Wolff, eyewitness account
16. Weights landed on slightly warped boards. - Johann Christian Wolff, eyewitness account
17. Weights were cylindrical. - Johann Christian Wolff, eyewitness account
18. About 8 weights fell during each revolution of the wheel, which took about 3 seconds. (wheel diameter ~ 12 feet) - Joseph Fischer, eyewitness account
19. "Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."
- Bessler, 1717
20. The wheel is an assembly of many parts all in motion for the sake of motion. It moves as rain drops drip or snowflakes fall. In this machine a hammer blows on an ordinary anvil; the Driver drives; the Runner runs; Seer sees; Buyer buys; the Shotgun Shoots and the Bow twangs. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
21. Is it really a wheel? For it does not have a normal rim. Rim that you see is just to hide the mechanism. If I uncover it you would then ask whether this is really a wheel. My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs. When my wheel seen sideways or full-face it is as bright as a peacock?s tail. It turns to the right and the left; it spins around in either direction, laden or empty. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
22. The falling weights are the only source of power ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
23. Design of my machine is analogues to world system. I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world. The large axle of my machine represents the sun. Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun. Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center. They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
24. It works in layered parts but it fights force-loss-friction at all places possible. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
25. The levers loaded with heavy weights as viewed from the side, may be compared to side views of many children playing with very heavy clubs among tall broken columns. The strongest of the children cannot lift the lightest of the clubs. Still, each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top of the next column. Then he rotates the handle end of his club to maneuver it between his current column and his next intended column so that he can again "step" or swing a small angle over to the top of the next intended broken column. If the clubs are even heavier by being double-ended, then instead of rolling them to the next position, they may be alternatively transported between the columns by switching ends. A double club may be moved in seesaw fashion by leaning it against the current broken column that the child is on and rolling it over the top of the column (assuming that there is enough room for the child to stay on top of the column). The double club is pivoted with a circular motion with one end going up while the other end goes down. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
26. When weights come to be placed together, they are so arranged that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the ?punctum quietus? which they unceasingly seek in their wondrous speedy flight. ? Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
27. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these boards through a slit. They are slightly curved. - Professor Wolff
28. In 1719, Johann Bessler, under an assumed name of Orffyreus, published his treatise ?Perpetuum Mobile Triumphans " in which, inter alia, he claimed that he managed to create "a dead substance that is not just a self-moving mechanism , but may also be used for lifting weights and doing some kind of work"."



Another post:

"1) is wrong in that the first two wheels were self-starting and only turned in one direction, while the second two needed a slight push before they accelerated to full speed. They could turn in either direction.

11) is quoted from Frank Edward's book and is ficticious as I have said many times on this board.

12) is an assumption by Wolff and not a fact.

13) Only one witness described this placement of the sound of falling weights.(Fischer von Erlach), not many.

15) an another assumption by Wolff and not a fact.

It seems obvious to me that Ramananda is quoting extensively from my book "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?" and although he does quote me as a reference he also quotes Alden Parks (although he calls him Elden) and frankly I would discount Alden Parks' ramblings as a recipe for failure for researching a solution to Bessler's wheel because it's a mixture of the hypothetical mixed with fact and seasoned with religious meanderings."

[soundiceuk]

Only one person ever saw the inside of Bessler's wheel:

"Count Karl made a promise to Orffyreus that he would never disclose the secret to anyone until Orffyreus would get his reward. Orffyreus permitted him to have a glimpse of the interior, but how long we do not know, we can only speculate that Orffyreus must have imposed some time limit to watch the mechanism. Whatever be the duration, Karl was intelligent enough to learn the working mechanism of the machine at a glance therefore he himself was satisfied as to the validity of Orffyreus claim and did not bother what the rest world accused Orffyreus of being a fraud. Having learnt the secret, Karl rushed to his residence to write an account of what he had seen. Count described an intricate system of weights and strings. When the oiled cloth was removed and left nude wrote Count Karl, he found himself gazing upon a very simple arrangement of weights and levers. He never disclosed the secret what he had seen. However, Karl did state to his ministers that he believed the wheel was a true perpetual motion machine and he was amazed that no one had invented a similar machine before Bessler. He also stated that machine was so simple and easy to understand that a "carpenters boy" could build one after seeing inside the wheel.""

[soundiceuk]

Are those one way bearings? Looking forward to your progress on this concept Paul

Here is some more accurate information on the bearings.

I've just realised if this works then there are already many upgrades for mainshaft bearings.



https://bonesbearings.com/skateboard-bearings