Mikhail Dmitriyev - Input 1000 W, Output near 3000 W.

[soundiceuk]

"Design of my machine is analogues to world system.

I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world.

The large axle of my machine represents the sun.

Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun.

Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center.

They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel."

Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")

[TheVisitorV]

not sure if i understand but might be something along this concept lines perhaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py-PDmrolms

[purelyprimitives]

is this your channel?

https://www.youtube.com/user/purelyprimitives/videos

Yes, this is my channel.

[purelyprimitives]

The arms are levering a lever.

The arms collide and if you've ever studied moving already in motion it continues it on its way if hit.

Think swing ball!

If you hit a ball already moving it accelerates because it isn't going from standing start.

Paul,

If I understand your design, aren't both colliding weights falling clockwise? In other words, assume the first arm passes the 6:00 position going counter-clockwise. It then 'freewheels' and starts to fall clockwise relative to the rotating wheel no longer constrained by the retaining pin. But rotational momentum and centripetal force will prevent it from falling sharply assuming the wheel is moving relatively fast.

Then the following arm is also released and is able to fall clockwise. If the second is then hit by the first, all its kinetic energy is transferred to the second arm. This is different than hitting a solid surface. I don't think there will be the 'bounce' you assume.

I hope you prove me wrong!

Cheers!

[soundiceuk]

Charlie you are almost on same page.

Now move the stop pin on the other side of the arm and closer to the main axle but after the pivot.

The arm is no longer levering at 90 degrees to main axle but it it levering from a plane 90 degrees to the main axle.

A lever on a lever.

The greatly moved centre of gravity allows a lot of inertia to be stored in a passive flywheel of larger weight. The inertia and kick flicks the weights.

The active part of the wheel which is the levering weights keeps the centre of gravity far away from the centre of the axle.

[TheVisitorV]

@purelyprimitives hey maybe you can help me out with something. A few years back i found a clip on youtube with someone designing something very similar to your designs on your channel. Maybe it's you. Just stumbled upon the clip like i stumbled on your channel, browsing through clips on youtube over some keyword that i don't remember and forgot to bookmark at that time.

The machine was like this:

a horizontal beam with a V shape at one end upwards at the end of the Vs 2 solenoids. At the other end placed on the horizontal beam an alternator with a asymmetric weight on the shaft made out of a powerlift disk. This is what i remember but the design might have been slightly a bit of different geometry.

THe idea was obviously the solenoids would take turns on pushing the beam making the disk on the alternator fall on each side. I'm curious about it as i had similaras ideas at one point and this was a bit of simplified version of those ideas.

Also btw, how were your experiments ? i see your trying to go along the same lines by using different designs.

[purelyprimitives]

The machine was like this:

a horizontal beam with a V shape at one end upwards at the end of the Vs 2 solenoids. At the other end placed on the horizontal beam an alternator with a asymmetric weight on the shaft made out of a powerlift disk. This is what i remember but the design might have been slightly a bit of different geometry.

THe idea was obviously the solenoids would take turns on pushing the beam making the disk on the alternator fall on each side. I'm curious about it as i had similaras ideas at one point and this was a bit of simplified version of those ideas.

Also btw, how were your experiments ? i see your trying to go along the same lines by using different designs.

To be honest, I don't remember seeing anything quite like what you describe but it does sound interesting. If you find it, please share it.

Right now I have moved into the electro-magnetic realm following some of the work by Art Porter if you're familiar with his stuff.

Regards,
Charlie

[TheVisitorV]

@purelyprimitives

i'm not familiar with that.

if i'll find it i will send it to you. i'm really curios what they managed to do since i've seen that video, they were working on the prototype and it was almost finished but then i forgot about it and when i remembered i had no idea how to find them.

also if your interested into electromagnetism you should check this one out...i think they actually stumbled onto something : https://www.youtube.com/user/GIORGOSXANIOS/videos

[soundiceuk]

Its an unfinished drawing but I'm going out to a party and wanted to get this out of my head.



Gravity does the work!

[Stealth]

I do believe you are on the right track. I have designed and built many over balanced wheels and other gravity devices over the years. In all that time I can say only two semi-worked, while others came close. A kicker is indeed what the mechanism needs to defy gravity. I have witnessed some simple, yet intriguing designs, which should have worked, but didn't. Some came amazingly close, but needed the proverbial kicker to self run. The last one I designed should work, although I haven't, as of yet, built it. I haven't delved into the Bessler machine yet, and haven't analysed its workings. Under cover many mysteries could be hidden. Good Luck. stealth

[soundiceuk]

I don't know how closely you studied my unfinished drawing.

I will update it next week sometime.

Remember I said Besslers two way wheel was a little more complicated?

It's is haha

You need to add another 8 stops (fulcrums) on the other side of the arm.

Whichever way the wheel turns initially will be the direction leverage starts.

Gravity does all the work and the weights follow an elliptical path.

There is a kick at the top when the arm falls down the slot and locks onto the peg (fulcrum).

There is a kick at the bottom when the arms falls down the slot and drops off the peg (fulcrum)

Another kick when the weights hit each other!

Lots of domino effects going on!

[purelyprimitives]

Weights came to be placed together, arranged one against another.
- Bessler

Weights gained force from their own swinging.
- Bessler

Weights applied force at right angles to the axis.
- Bessler

The machine's power was directly proportional to its diameter.
- Bessler

"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."
- Johann E. E. Bessler, 1717

I was laying awake last night thinking about this and I think I have a completely different approach that could meet all of the above. Especially this part, "..one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move." As a teaser, the weights themselves would only occupy one side of the wheel at all times. There would be no weights on the opposite side.

But rather than make a complete ass of myself, I will build a small model first to see if it actually would work...

[soundiceuk]

As a teaser, the weights themselves would only occupy one side of the wheel at all times. There would be no weights on the opposite side.

Now this I’ve got to see! Trying to imagine the mechanism but failing lol!

[soundiceuk]

[VIDEO]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eizJQGzMO5Q[/VIDEO]

“YOU CAN MANUFACTURE MECHANICAL ENERGY OUT OF NOTHING”

[soundiceuk]

On second thoughts 8 carefully sized and placed stops (fulcrum) can serve as the leverage point for clockwise and anti-clockwise rotation.

Im going to make this out of wood to prove it.

Not sure when as I’m out of funds for a few months.